Photoperiod Autos- a growing contradiction

****18/6 LIGHT SCHEDULE
**PHOTOPERIOD STRAINS
**3 mutt strain mother plants
**5 months old
**2x4 grow space
**8 Samsung lm301h 2700-6500k "sunboards"
Dimmed to 325 real watts
**60°f low/ 70°f high canopy temps
** Humidity stays between 40-50%
** 5 gallon buckets with 50% coco coir-30%perlite 10% castings-5% vermiculite -2.5% cow manure-2.5% chicken manure
**CANNA nutes
** Soil/water PH 6-6.5

3 five month old mother plants producing so many preflowers that you could say they are flowering with a 18/6 light schedule. Absolutely No auto flower genes are in these mutts. I made the mutts myself over a course of 2 years.

Opinions please

Are my clones going to go into flower from the shock of being cut and have no veg time?

Is this beneficial to my clones because they are very mature and won't need much veg time?

Should I just put them in the flowering room and start over?

Probably flowering because theyre ‘mutt’ seeds and have auto genetics would be my guess.

Craigson said:

Probably flowering because theyre ‘mutt’ seeds and have auto genetics would be my guess.

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They are mutts but they are my mutts lol I cross bred 2 cross breeds that were crossed before as well. I'm working on a personal strain. I say mutt so I don't have to write out all the strains. There is no autoflower genes whatsoever. I had never grown a auto until just now. Lil girl is only 2 weeks old but already has shoots, even has one coming out of the bottom of the baby oval seedling leaves. Like I said before, I get all the weird stuff lol

Hmmm recessive auto trait?? I donno, but they are full on flowering

Ok, time to list the heritage. So it goes like this - real strain x real strain= my strain.

Special queen 1 x northern lights = northern queen

Jack herer x jock horror= horrible herer


Lemon silver haze x skittlez= lemon
skittlez


Kayak gold x sour diesel=sour gold

Then i took northern queen x horrible herer= the horrible queen

And then once more
Horrible queen x sour gold= my photoperiod auto mutt I call the queens gold.

There was a list I came across of the top 5 stress resistant plants and another list with heat resistant plants. I took a couple from each list and grew them. Then i took the best pheno's out 3 of each plants and bred them. This is why it's easier to call her a mutt lol. This is my 3rd generation

Faceless#1 said:

Ok, time to list the heritage. So it goes like this - real strain x real strain= my strain.

Special queen 1 x northern lights = northern queen

Jack herer x jock horror= horrible herer


Lemon silver haze x skittlez= lemon
skittlez


Kayak gold x sour diesel=sour gold

Then i took northern queen x horrible herer= the horrible queen

And then once more
Horrible queen x sour gold= my photoperiod auto mutt I call the queens gold.

There was a list I came across of the top 5 stress resistant plants and another list with heat resistant plants. I took a couple from each list and grew them. Then i took the best pheno's out 3 of each plants and bred them. This is why it's easier to call her a mutt lol. This is my 3rd generation

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You might wanna begin looking up the lineage to all of those strains and see which ones have auto genes. Even though recessive it can still pop out.

She's an ugly caterpillar but turns into a beautiful butterfly and can handle some abuse

Wizzlebiz said:

You might wanna begin looking up the lineage to all of those strains and see which ones have auto genes. Even though recessive it can still pop out.

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Research is what I do... I am not stop researching everything... Nutes...lights... different grow methods...strains... But yes your right and I did. There's a site that list most strains heritage all the way back to the beginning. The kaya gold has master kush number one genes...that goes back to afghanistan and pakistan..it was made with plants that COULD be found in russia so that's the closest I can find to ruderlis and that was many many generations ago

Faceless#1 said:

Research is what I do... I am not stop researching everything... Nutes...lights... different grow methods...strains... But yes your right and I did. There's a site that list most strains heritage all the way back to the beginning. The kaya gold has master kush number one genes...that goes back to afghanistan and pakistan..it was made with plants that COULD be found in russia so that's the closest I can find to ruderlis and that was many many generations ago

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Il admit its real weird it began flowering after 5 months its producing flowers in a 18/6.

All I can think is auto flower. Lol

But it honestly doesn't make sense for the progression of things.

As @Wizzlebiz stated you might think they aren't Auto Flowers but they likely have Ruderalis (AutoFLower) somewhere in their lineage. You can't flower proper Photoperiod plants under 16+ hours of light.

Lol BELIEVE me, I know you can't flower a photoperiod under 18/6. Photoperiod plants in general don't produce the proteins to flower until seasonal changes(light schedule) is detected. I've been growing for many years. This is the first time I decided to take things very seriously like following strict nute regimens, keeping the temps and humidity exactly what's needed, provided 50w per square foot, Co2 and so on.. My mother's are in a controlled environment per say but not like my veg tent/flower tent is. I wanted to create a strain that was very easy to grow, a photoperiod strain that was easy to grow. The strains I out into mine were all second generation photoperiod, hand selected for the best tolerance and genotypes before being crossbreed. The plants in question are my own strain and are third generation. I've vegged and flower several dozen clones from these mothers without any problems. The only negative thing about them is about 6-7 weeks ago it seemed like they had stopped growing so I figured time for new soil/pots. After the transplant they didn't grow a fraction of an inch for 38 days then all of a sudden shot up 4-6 inches.

I had noticed 2 weeks ago that the plants were not really stretching and that nodes were growing in tight formation. I had mad a joke about my mother's having so many preflowers they looked like Albert Einstein... Now there's too many preflowers for me to actually call preflowers but then again it's not flowering. It has been producing these massive preflowers for the last couple weeks. I thought maybe it would stretch and the preflowers would spread out but that's not the case.

Do you think clones would be good or bad having a maturity level this high?

Also even with recessive autoflower genes, it would have shown that gene long before 150 days

No opinions on whether or not cloning these mothers now would be beneficial or not?

I know it's a rare occurrence so not many people would have experience here but there are some real smart people here that understand the hormones of the plant way more than I do. I'd love to hear any and all opinions, thank you

Once I made a test with a tent of african landraces and exposed them to wintry cold during the night, also reduced irradiation a bit, plus changed the lamp from MH to HPS.

All 3 plants in charge started flowering, although the light regime was still 18/6.
Then I reverted the changes, and all plants vegged again.

It's because equatorial strains do not get light in their scotophile-phase anyway -14h max- so these strains have also other markers to watch for in place, as well.

There are also nutritient related issues which could cause this.

Faceless#1 said:

**60°f low/ 70°f high canopy temps

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Faceless#1 said:

Dimmed to 325 real watts

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Faceless#1 said:

Co2 and so on.

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Double check your timer.