PHO? Also, O2?

I've heard of PHO before but been seeing mention of it online recently and have been seeing it pop up at some shops around Denver and Boulder.

Also, I remember back in the day when honeytubes or whatever first started out and all BHO was tane soup. Some years later(2009ish) when I first heard about "Budder" and this website you could order it from, lol, it was supposedly made with some sort of O2 extraction.

Any enlightenment or intellectual waxing on either of theses topics? Thanks!

Propane makes really good wax. The regular bbq blue rhino has drawbacks, but the number 1 comment is how good the taste is. The major set back is how easily detected from great distance "I smell gas" is to the neighbors. It has had me very paranoid when blasting just cause I don't want neighbors asking each other if they also smell it, but if evaporates so much faster than butane its silly. Again another drawback is how explosive it is . When fire purging, I am very cautious when igniting as its much nastier catching fire. O2 earwax should be left to pros, since it would catch fire just from being in an oxygen enriched environment. Sick product though. 80/20 mixture of co2/oxygen is needed to prevent an oxygen enriched environment from happening. Not something that can be conventionally done. Lots of equipment needed to pull it off safely.

Hey, sorry, I should have been more clear. Not looking to make my own, just curious about PHO as I saw some posted online by a local dispensary/concentrate lab. I'm a consumer not an extractor, hehe.

So you are saying there is such a thing as O2 extraction? The 80/20 thing is throwing me off, is what you are talking about different from super critical co2 extraction? Cuz co2 oil tastes like shit usually.

Could you compare the flavor and effects to good live resin or sap? Thanks!

Not sure about the o2, kinda feel like that was a myth, but possible.

PHO typically waxes out, I know there's a company called craft that's making bunches of PHO for local shops and make these cute little lemon bar looking wax squares from the stuff. Yield was lower for me on PHO but color was way better, I think it doesn't strip quite as much as BHO. Boiling point for PHO is a lot lower making it a bit easier to purge IMO.

Flavor profile was strange on the PHO, not sure if it was starting material for me but tasted like multivitamins.

O2 is not a myth, and it's the difference in vapor pressure that has a major separation between butane and propane. Propane is 4-5 times higher vapor pressure than n-butane, and contains 3 carbon atoms along w 8 hydrogen atoms making it a cleaner solvent of choice. The fact that it doesn't liquidify as well as butane is another draw back, and the best results are done under pressure w additional heat in the range of boiling water will turn the liquid into a supercritical fluid which makes the difference absolutely significant.

Not a myth that it wouldnt work but that theres not anyone doing it that ive seen. Ive seen claims of o2 hash but usually get called out on bs and false advertising.

AlGore said:

Hey, sorry, I should have been more clear. Not looking to make my own, just curious about PHO as I saw some posted online by a local dispensary/concentrate lab. I'm a consumer not an extractor, hehe.

So you are saying there is such a thing as O2 extraction? The 80/20 thing is throwing me off, is what you are talking about different from super critical co2 extraction? Cuz co2 oil tastes like shit usually.

Could you compare the flavor and effects to good live resin or sap? Thanks!

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80/20 is the ratio needed to prevent an oxygen enriched environment from happening. If you have only tried co2 concentrate that tasted like shit, you may have got a fraction where the primary extract was taken and segregated and then the secondary and third extractions were pooled together w out the main extraction added. In other words, the extractor kept all the money and gave the cut as product. Greedy fucks.

disposition84 said:

Not a myth that it wouldnt work but that theres not anyone doing it that ive seen. Ive seen claims of o2 hash but usually get called out on bs and false advertising.

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Why would you not think that carbon dioxide , ethanol, and oxygen wouldn't be a terpinoid enriched extract? Does 4,000 psi of oxygen and diluted w non-flammable carbon dioxide in a hot gas extraction seem far fetched? Welcome to the new milenium, where these methods shared by the masses are not worthy being kept secret, leaves you guys guessing, congregating in groups, unable to figure out whats really going on. This area of co2 extractions requires equipment the average person not be willing to invest in. I am an average person who is very fortunate to have hook-ups and needing automated valves, and back pressure relief valves, and a high pressure pump to complete the needs to perform this kind of extraction. It is very dangerous, but the pay outs will be high after the equipment pays for itself.

Like i said, not that i dont think its possible i just havnt seen anyone doing it and the ones i have seen advertised i believe got called out as being full of it.

Im glad youre so fortunate. Care to share some pics?

Lol pics...
Funny man

I dont know what pho os and dont care to Google but o2 will not make a good extract..

And we know this since the king of isopropyl has spoken? Maybe you can save $20 and try bragging about using a solvent that costs 10 times what you normally pay. From people who believe cold solvent does a better job. That should be your new slogan!

He was local to me but has left for colorado, when I make a comment about how the product was made, he asked me to contact him through facebook. When you know, you know. Oxygen ear wax

So whats up with the pics...

I didnt follow anything else you said,
Guess i dont speak finspoogy

Lmao I've seen his extract pics before.....

disposition84 said:

Not sure about the o2, kinda feel like that was a myth, but possible.

PHO typically waxes out, I know there's a company called craft that's making bunches of PHO for local shops and make these cute little lemon bar looking wax squares from the stuff. Yield was lower for me on PHO but color was way better, I think it doesn't strip quite as much as BHO. Boiling point for PHO is a lot lower making it a bit easier to purge IMO.

Flavor profile was strange on the PHO, not sure if it was starting material for me but tasted like multivitamins.

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Hey dude, yea, Kind Love and Denver Relief are both advertising the craft 710 pho. Looks like they are running the shops' product so that multivitamin was prob from the starting materiel. KL commented that the smell/flavor was amazing. I'm overstocked on extracts so I'm not gonna snag any right now but was just wondering. PS> I've smelled that Flintstones vitamin scent in dispensary jars before. Sometimes from certain strains at CAM(RIP). Pretty sure all their bud was hydro so probably something to do with the nutes/flush/whatever.

oilmkr420 said:

80/20 is the ratio needed to prevent an oxygen enriched environment from happening. If you have only tried co2 concentrate that tasted like shit, you may have got a fraction where the primary extract was taken and segregated and then the secondary and third extractions were pooled together w out the main extraction added. In other words, the extractor kept all the money and gave the cut as product. Greedy fucks.

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He was local to me but has left for colorado, when I make a comment about how the product was made, he asked me to contact him through facebook. When you know, you know. Oxygen ear wax

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I'm still confused, lol. I don't make (solvent) extracts but I know quite a bit about it. I know the least about co2 because as I've said never had any that measured up to other products. In fact, most of the co2 I see is used in edibles, or sold for edible use. Well, and the shittier places put/sell it in vape carts.

I've tried various forms of co2 oil and even some from a place that claimed to specialize in it. And while I'll agree the tangie I got from them was terped out(how could it not be right? its fucking tangie), it still had that weird flavor when dabbed. I think it's something to do with the water content maybe? Like I said not super read up on the co2 process other than the argument whether or not it should be called "solventless" due to the fact that it still separates the oil from the gland where iwe and sifting does not.

Anyway, as for the whole 02 thing.... lol. Are you talking about using o2 as part of the co2 extraction process which is common, or are you talking about some other method? BTW, the "myth" used to be that it was somehow done with liquid o2 and you needed a phd and a real lab to make it. And since Co is moving that way, million dollar labs for making extracts, I was wondering if that might show up in the future.

And ummmm, that video, lol. No offense to anyone but the dude seems rather, I don't know the right word, misinformed or "not a credible source of info", lol. He keeps calling it "earwax" like someone that is new to extracts might and seems confused, lol. It really reminds me when bho first became popular, the way he talks about it, "not bubbling and just melting to oil", etc.

oilmkr420 said:

Why would you not think that carbon dioxide , ethanol, and oxygen wouldn't be a terpinoid enriched extract? Does 4,000 psi of oxygen and diluted w non-flammable carbon dioxide in a hot gas extraction seem far fetched? Welcome to the new milenium, where these methods shared by the masses are not worthy being kept secret, leaves you guys guessing, congregating in groups, unable to figure out whats really going on. This area of co2 extractions requires equipment the average person not be willing to invest in. I am an average person who is very fortunate to have hook-ups and needing automated valves, and back pressure relief valves, and a high pressure pump to complete the needs to perform this kind of extraction. It is very dangerous, but the pay outs will be high after the equipment pays for itself.

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fyi, I've heard you can get a mini super critical setup for 5k. Also the co2 oil I talk about comes from the dudes with all the crazy equipment. Same with the bho, I don't even think they can sell it here anymore unless it came from a cls lab with floor vents and all that shit.

Gonna try this shit out today.

Paddy at Eden Labs made some aromatic and tasty 100% Propane PHO, and my SPR partner Joe uses a 50/50% mix with n-Butane with winning results. I've used up to 30% with good results. It reduces the yield, but lightens the product and is easier to purge than butane.

We all use propane without mercaps added, so there is no odor or taste lingering after purge.

O2 extraction seems to fly in the face of oxygen and UV being the degrading agents for Terpenes, including diterpene cannabinoids.

were can I get the correct rig to run oxygen oil for around5k at and what equipment do i need to make #PHO

Oxygen is an oxidizer which means is rips electrons from other molecules and causes chemical reactions. That's a very bad thing. You will degrade your cannabinoids and will create by--products.