Phenotypes

magicman18

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don't post unless you know what you are talking about.

is blue bud dominant?
is Green bud dominant?
and is the potential for purple bud dominant?

i need to know which color is dominant over the other. like if i mix purple with blue, will it be blue or purple?
 

BeastGrow

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i'm sure its more complicated than that. is your blue 100% blue every time? is your purple 100% purple everytime? I doubt anybody has done the research on this because of the complexity.
 

redfrogs

Active Member
I m not 100% sure but...

Green should be dom pheno.

Thus in IBL crosses in theory:
F1:
Purp x green = 75% Green ,25% purp.
Blue x Green = 75% Green, 25% blue.
Blue x Purp = ??? but offspring should show green(most %) and blue or purp...maybe a colour mix as well.

Though in F2s incross purp/blue phenos should be much more frequent than f1 batch.

To increase colour frequency in offspring i think u need to go like (purp x green) x purp a few times to increase the ratio of green to purp. For hybrids it takes a fair bit more work to get desirable results
 

magicman18

Member
Both should be IBL's. both of which should consistently be blue and purple.
but thank you for your help. i am going to experiment with it a bit.
 

polyarcturus

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dominance of traits will be based on the parents. any trait can be dominant or recessive it is up to the breeder to bring out and stabilize these traits.
 

Jogro

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is blue bud dominant?
is Green bud dominant?
and is the potential for purple bud dominant?

don't post unless you know what you are talking about.
I'm afraid the same could be said of you.

I don't think cannabis bud color is determined by a single Mendelian gene locus.

More than one gene is at play, and environmental conditions definitely matter, especially temperature. Clones from the same plant can have different color buds depending on how they're grown. So this is not as simple as one color always being phenotypically dominant over another, since you can probably have co-dominance, and variable expression.

i need to know which color is dominant over the other. like if i mix purple with blue, will it be blue or purple?
There are a lot of plants CALLED blue (since they share genetics with DJ shorts' famous blueberry strain), but I've never seen a true blue color cannabis plant. Is there a strain in particular you have in mind here?

Purple plants do, of course exist, but I suspect there is more than one genetic way to get there, and again, I don't think this is quite as simple as Mendel's peas.

I can tell you for sure that most purple genetics behave as recessive traits. If you cross a purple to a regular green inbred line, the offspring typically won't be purple.

This Sickmeds Green crack S1 bud came from two GREEN (hybrid) parents. Maybe they should call it "purple crack":




On blue x purple crosses, not knowing the genetics behind the blue, I don't think its possible generalize here. If you want to know the outcome of a particular cross, you'll have to do the cross to find out.
 

magicman18

Member
i have basic knowledge of cannabis genetics, and more on genetics in general. but thank you. i have azure haze and grandaddy purp.

and i understand that it usually will not turn purple until it is cold enough. i was just curious about the genetic potential to be purple.
 

Jogro

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i have basic knowledge of cannabis genetics, and more on genetics in general. but thank you. i have azure haze and grandaddy purp.

and i understand that it usually will not turn purple until it is cold enough. i was just curious about the genetic potential to be purple.
One more time, just to be clear, "azure haze" isn't supposed to be blue in color, its just genetically related to the DJ Short blueberry strain.

If you're asking what will happen if you cross Azure Haze x Granddaddy purple with respect to the color of the F1 offspring, that's a much better question, I think.

The answer to that, is I don't know, and short of doing it and seeing, I don't think anyone can give you a definitive answer.

My guess is that you'll get something that's more purple-prone than AH, but less than GDP. Depending on how genetically homogeneous (ie "stable") these two parents are (which I'm sure is known. . .just not by me), you might end up with a bunch of purple phenotypes ranging from "no purple" through "very purple".

If you were crossing two of these F1 plants to create an F2, then I think you should expect to see this type of pheno variation.
 

Jogro

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Not incidentally, this is a dried bud from the Sickmeds Green Crack S1 from my last picture post, above.



Obviously, its got some purple in there, and there is a reason I'm bringing up this example (well. . .other than showing off a cool bud!).

The original clone-only line Green Crack does not typically go purple. On the other hand, most accounts I've seen of this S1 (which is just Green Crack [reversed] x Green Crack) say that they're seeing purple.

Green Crack itself is supposed to be Skunk #1 x "unknown" California indica. I've speculated in my grow report of this that because of the purpleness of this S1 offspring, the "unknown" CA indica is probably one of the Norcal "purple lines" (ie Mendo purps).

I'm not going to expand this post too much with complicated genetic descriptions, but here is the point:

If most of the S1 offspring here turn purple (mine did. . .and that seems to be most people's experience with this) then whatever genetics are controlling the purple color CAN'T be controlled by a single simple dominant/recessive Mendelian gene.

The reason is if there were only one purple color "gene" and this gene were truly dominant, then the original Green Crack should be purple. . .but it isn't.
If there were only one purple color "gene" and it were truly recessive then only 1/4 of the S1 offspring should be purple. . .but that doesn't seem to be true either since most growers are seeing purple.

So, assuming the reports are right, in this case, the purple color trait is probably controlled by multiple genes. To really figure out what's going on here is going to require a lot more information, and without it, I don't think you can reliably predict how the offspring of different crosses will or won't go purple.

Bottom line is, if you're crossing unrelated purple and non-purple strains, I don't think you can apply a hard-and-fast rule to predict the color traits of the offspring. You have to do the crosses and see.
 

Apomixis

Active Member
I'm afraid the same could be said of you.

I don't think cannabis bud color is determined by a single Mendelian gene locus.

More than one gene is at play, and environmental conditions definitely matter, especially temperature. Clones from the same plant can have different color buds depending on how they're grown. So this is not as simple as one color always being phenotypically dominant over another, since you can probably have co-dominance, and variable expression.
i cannot like this post enough. Like like like like like... Etc.
 

M Dogg

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Not incidentally, this is a dried bud from the Sickmeds Green Crack S1 from my last picture post, above.



Obviously, its got some purple in there, and there is a reason I'm bringing up this example (well. . .other than showing off a cool bud!).

The original clone-only line Green Crack does not typically go purple. On the other hand, most accounts I've seen of this S1 (which is just Green Crack [reversed] x Green Crack) say that they're seeing purple.

Green Crack itself is supposed to be Skunk #1 x "unknown" California indica. I've speculated in my grow report of this that because of the purpleness of this S1 offspring, the "unknown" CA indica is probably one of the Norcal "purple lines" (ie Mendo purps).

I'm not going to expand this post too much with complicated genetic descriptions, but here is the point:

If most of the S1 offspring here turn purple (mine did. . .and that seems to be most people's experience with this) then whatever genetics are controlling the purple color CAN'T be controlled by a single simple dominant/recessive Mendelian gene.

The reason is if there were only one purple color "gene" and this gene were truly dominant, then the original Green Crack should be purple. . .but it isn't.
If there were only one purple color "gene" and it were truly recessive then only 1/4 of the S1 offspring should be purple. . .but that doesn't seem to be true either since most growers are seeing purple.

So, assuming the reports are right, in this case, the purple color trait is probably controlled by multiple genes. To really figure out what's going on here is going to require a lot more information, and without it, I don't think you can reliably predict how the offspring of different crosses will or won't go purple.

Bottom line is, if you're crossing unrelated purple and non-purple strains, I don't think you can apply a hard-and-fast rule to predict the color traits of the offspring. You have to do the crosses and see.
Great info, I was curious why your S1 Green Crack had so much purple when then clone-only (and Mendo Purps for that matter) don't have anywhere near that much purple to them.
 

Jogro

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Great info, I was curious why your S1 Green Crack had so much purple when then clone-only (and Mendo Purps for that matter) don't have anywhere near that much purple to them.
Honestly, I don't know for sure myself. All I can say for sure is that the clone only Green Crack typically doesn't go purple, but grow reports on the S1s of it (including Riot ceeds and Sickmeds versions) invariably mention the purple.

My educated GUESS is that the original clone only is effectively an F1 hybrid with hybrid vigor. The S1 ceed version is effectively an F2 of the original parents, and the genetic shuffling inherent to F2s is making the purple really pop out in some of the phenos. I could easily see that kind of shuffling making individual plants more purple than the original purple parent (whatever it is).

As a somewhat less likely second explanation, I can also speculate that the original "clone only" is typically grown in warmer climates, where as ceeded versions are more likely grown indoors in colder ones (potentially bringing out the purple more).

Knowing all of the above, I'm a bit surprised you didn't see at least some purple phenos in your F2 and F3 "Lulu" (ie [Green Crack x Mikado] x Green Crack) backcrosses.

For me the purple started showing up the fifth week of flowering on the lowest (ie coldest) flowers, and progressed from there. Temps got into the low 60s during the dark period of this grow. Here is a shot at day 34 of 12-12:


And here it is again at day 55, with the plant effectively harvest-ready:


Oh, by the way, with so much talking about this, I'll probably have an update on the Green Crack grow report soon.
 

M Dogg

Active Member
Honestly, I don't know for sure myself. All I can say for sure is that the clone only Green Crack typically doesn't go purple, but grow reports on the S1s of it (including Riot ceeds and Sickmeds versions) invariably mention the purple.

My educated GUESS is that the original clone only is effectively an F1 hybrid with hybrid vigor. The S1 ceed version is effectively an F2 of the original parents, and the genetic shuffling inherent to F2s is making the purple really pop out in some of the phenos. I could easily see that kind of shuffling making individual plants more purple than the original purple parent (whatever it is).

As a somewhat less likely second explanation, I can also speculate that the original "clone only" is typically grown in warmer climates, where as ceeded versions are more likely grown indoors in colder ones (potentially bringing out the purple more).

Knowing all of the above, I'm a bit surprised you didn't see at least some purple phenos in your F2 and F3 "Lulu" (ie [Green Crack x Mikado] x Green Crack) backcrosses.

For me the purple started showing up the fifth week of flowering on the lowest (ie coldest) flowers, and progressed from there. Temps got into the low 60s during the dark period of this grow. Here is a shot at day 34 of 12-12:


And here it is again at day 55, with the plant effectively harvest-ready:


Oh, by the way, with so much talking about this, I'll probably have an update on the Green Crack grow report soon.
The Green Crack clones get some purpling on their leaves (not so for the flowers) towards the end, as do the GC dominant LuLu clones. As I look at my 20 LuLu ladies in veg I see only 5 that look Mikado dominant, the others are Green Crack dominant. Those two strains have completely different structures so it's very easy to tell.
 
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