pH problems

TwistedEvil

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treating your water/nutrient solution to get it around 7 is the best plan but that wont fix your soil's caustic PH problem. flushing your soil will only eliminate all your other nutritive materials, resulting in a sterile mix of large particles of plant matter and pebbles. if thats your plan you would do better planting in coco fiber and perlite with a full spectrum hydroponic solution. that might be the best way to go if your soils is all nasty like that 8.0 shit

where did this soil come from? i expect that youre probably testing the runoff, not the soil itself, in which case your soil could be 8.5 or higher real easy. with water that ranges from 6.8-7.4 as your water district contends you cant learn shit from your runoff.

did you test a sample of your tap water for the 7.7 number, or is that what you get after adding nutrients?

test your plain water, and send us the PH, then mix a handful of your soil with a liter or so of that same water, then let it settle and test that water too. comparing the tap water to the solution of water and soil will give a more accurate picture of whats going on in your dirt.

you might have planted your dope in the most secluded corner of your garden which just happens to be the number one place people dump ashes from fireplaces, wood stoves and BBQs, over the years this can result in seriously alkaline soil laden with soda ash and heavy layers of nitrogen salts. such soil rarely grows plants well until you mix in LOTS of organic material and correct the PH. the shit makes a fabulous amendment to your less fertile soils, as its full of N and K add some potassium from worm castings and bird guano and you can rock with that.
Hey Doc, this will shed a little more light on my situation. https://www.rollitup.org/marijuana-plant-problems/537763-leaf-issues-2.html Also, I am waiting for the wife to get home with some ph testing strips from the pet store for the water.
 

Dr Kynes

Well-Known Member
Hey Doc, this will shed a little more light on my situation. https://www.rollitup.org/marijuana-plant-problems/537763-leaf-issues-2.html Also, I am waiting for the wife to get home with some ph testing strips from the pet store for the water.
those curled up leaf edges are heat stress, the burnt areas are most likely due to sunburn (yes, plants can get that from HID lights that stray too close) or most likely, moisture on the leaves while the light was on. if the leaf gets too hot but cant evaporate through it's spicules to cool off because the leaf is wet or touching another leaf, they can cook, the tissues die and turn dry and brown.

i got the same shit on a few of my tomatoes, while i was out of town. my garden helper sprayed the foliage during the heat of the day (100+ temps) and i came home after a week in my mom's garden to find my tomato plants on the edge of death. mine was serious, and nearly fatal. ill be down maybe 15% of my harvest due to this damage. yours is minor. lower the temps and up your circulation fan action to keep those leafs rustling.

the yellowing of the edges indicates a deficiency, most likely a combination of low Potassium sulphur and zinc. give them a mild dose of a well rounded flowering nutrient and they should stop doing that. (1/2 str mix of fox farms big bloom or a 1/4 str dose of miracle grow rose food just off the top of my head)

pet store ph strips? go to lowes or home depot and get a soil tester probe ($8 gets you a light meter PH meter and moisture meter all in one) test your soil with that and test your water with the strips to find out whats goin on.

Edit disregard that, those soil probe testers suck balls.
 

TwistedEvil

Member
those curled up leaf edges are heat stress, the burnt areas are most likely due to sunburn (yes, plants can get that from HID lights that stray too close) or most likely, moisture on the leaves while the light was on. if the leaf gets too hot but cant evaporate through it's spicules to cool off because the leaf is wet or touching another leaf, they can cook, the tissues die and turn dry and brown.

i got the same shit on a few of my tomatoes, while i was out of town. my garden helper sprayed the foliage during the heat of the day (100+ temps) and i came home after a week in my mom's garden to find my tomato plants on the edge of death. mine was serious, and nearly fatal. ill be down maybe 15% of my harvest due to this damage. yours is minor. lower the temps and up your circulation fan action to keep those leafs rustling.

the yellowing of the edges indicates a deficiency, most likely a combination of low Potassium sulphur and zinc. give them a mild dose of a well rounded flowering nutrient and they should stop doing that. (1/2 str mix of fox farms big bloom or a 1/4 str dose of miracle grow rose food just off the top of my head)

pet store ph strips? go to lowes or home depot and get a soil tester probe ($8 gets you a light meter PH meter and moisture meter all in one) test your soil with that and test your water with the strips to find out whats goin on.
Got this 3 in 1 meter..ph, moisture and light and the ph in all the pots were around 7.4-7.9 (stuck it in the 2 gallon bucket I had filled up with water and the ph read the same), the light reading holding the meter at the Top of the plants read 500-550, and the moisture read in the green as moist. And I have General Organics Bio Thrive Grow and Bloom. Will those not work? Btw, how is the light reading? 500-550 measured at top of plants? It stays 81F in the tent and 46-51 RH. I've had the light 4' above them, 600watt.
 

Dr Kynes

Well-Known Member
your vegan fertilizers will work, even though they have no shit in them, being vegan just means they are not from animals, thus they are mostly synthetic or geological. i like shit. shit works, shit doesnt require extensive mechanical or chemical modification, and shit is an abundant renewable resource. chemical fertilizers are considered substandard and undesirable in the age of organic farming, Vegan Fertilizers is just a way to market inorganically derived fertilizers as being holier than thou, rahter than what they used to be called. synthetic. their main source of nitrogen is alfalfa, which herbivores process for us as SHIT. they would have to use bacterial composting to make the stuff into shit, just bacterial shit instead of cow shit. of course bacterial composting produces massive amounts of methane gas, which is 4x more powerful as a greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide! For Shame! why do you hate the planet?

seriously, if your ph is between 7.5 and 6.5 your plants will grow, but they will do better if you even it out towards 7.0 cannabis preferrs a little acidity over alkaline soils so 7.0-6.7 is where you want to be. if you scoot too far to acid its easier to correct than alkaline soils anyhow, so i always lean towards a mild acidity in my soil.

if you got the probe tester with one copper rod and one aluminium rod all that thing tests in your dirt is electrical charge. 1 tablespoon of baking soda dissolved in 8 ounces of water should give me a PH of 8.0-8.5, and a cup of household cider vinegar should read 6.0 - 6.2 those probes will move the needle to the right regardless of which one you dip into. either of these solutions will create an electrical charge when the probes go in, and thats all they measure in the PH scale.

today i tested one of those fuckers and both solutions came up with a reading of acidity. baking soda in water read about 5.2, and ordinary cider vinegar read a whopping 3.5, which is approaching industrial acids. use a real PH tester to get a real reading. you really cant count on those things. silly me for thinking home depot had useful testing equipment. good thing i use old fashioned litmus paper and a color chart to monitor my PH. they are a pain in the ass, but the cheap meters are crap.

a digital PH tester from a pool supply store, ph test strips or a ph pen from a lab supply shop will give you the straight poop

as far as the light readings, they dont seem too inaccurate but i dont use a light meter normally. my grow room comes up with a reading of 250, which seems about right, im using fluorescents rather than HID lighting. 500-550 is better than i got if its accurate. 4 feet of space from a 600 watt HID (high pressure sodium or metal halide, either one) is rather a lot of spacing. 2 1/2 to 3 feet would be adequate to keep the tops from burning. overall your plants look pretty healthy but just lack a few nutrients.
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81 degrees may not seem very hot, but your plants will gas off large amounts of water to stay cool in those temps. if the water cant evaporate to cool the leaves then the leaf will die. two leaves resting on top of each other will both sweat shittons of water, and both leafs will die where they overlap. thats why you need to keep the leafs moving. if the humidity gets real high, then your plants will simply stew in their juices and growth will be slowed. ventilate more. if temps get above 80, keep the humidity lower. remember that humidity is actually Relative Humidity! (50% humidity at 80 degrees is wet as fuck! 50% humidity at 70 degrees is perfect.) everybody forgets the relative part. in a sealed chamber with no external water source, relative humidity changes inversely with temp. RH goes down as it gets warmer in the chamber, and goes up as it gets colder. the actual volume of water in the air doesnt change, only the relative humidity changes. cold air holds less moisture than warm air can, so the water can condense out easier when it's cold.
 

90cody

Active Member
I hear ya bro, just the closest hydro shop is 37 miles from me one way..and I got a whole bottle of wally world vinegar here. The vinegar shouldn't hurt the plants, right? I mean as long as I'm not jamming a funnel in the soil and pouring the bottle in :) While ur here bro, care to jump down to this and see what u think? https://www.rollitup.org/marijuana-plant-problems/537763-leaf-issues-2.html
could always buy some off ebay.

and vinager and baking soda have been used to adjust ph for a long time, there are many topics you can find if you google adjusting ph with vinager and baking soda..

good luck :weed:
 

Becorath

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Thank you Dr. Kynes for picking up where I left off. I had to learn the hard way that soil ph is totally different than testing liquids. And testing runoff has its uses, but is horrible to use to test soil ph. And as I stated early on, sulfur is easily available and does a good job acidifying the soil.
 
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