Ph in Organics fox farm soil tap water 7.9 ph

Herb potman

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Hey all there is south back and forth on ph ing water for organic living soils like fox farm or ocean forest ? Here’s what I heard. Ph ing is for bottled /chelated nutes So there is no need to ph in organic souls like ffof for microbial life will correct ph and provide nutrients when ready and ffof has buffers But it is still best to ph your water if it’s to far off While mine is 7.9ph Can someone shine some light on if my tap is 8ph and Iam in ffof do I need to ph my water ?
 

Ganggreen99

Active Member
Yes you should Ph your water even if you are using Fox farm organic soil. Fox farm will help with balancing out your ph but you still want to make sure it is in 6.0-7.0 range. If you are using nutes make sure you use those first before checking your ph as they (nutes) can alter your ph as well. I hope this answers your question.
 

green_machine_two9er

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Sometimes ph being off is a symptom of water issues in general. I would probable get some proper filtration going. Your on a well I assume? 2 stage small boy filter brings my well from 8plus to a perfect 6.5.
 

Herb potman

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Yes you should Ph your water even if you are using Fox farm organic soil. Fox farm will help with balancing out your ph but you still want to make sure it is in 6.0-7.0 range. If you are using nutes make sure you use those first before checking your ph as they (nutes) can alter your ph as well. I hope this answers your question.
I will be using dry amendments for npk. Gaia green Organics so I wanna stay away from ph down that’s chemical. So I see I can use vinegar or lemon juice but then I also read those are not very nice for plants in general so I believe ppl using those options are only off by .5 or so on ph where Iam off by 2-1 ph If that makes sense. What is safe to use in ffof soil to ph my water. I ph using grotex ph down and had a plant issue and I chalked it up to chems in ph down so I think it scared me off that Lol.
 

Jjgrow420

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I will be using dry amendments for npk. Gaia green Organics so I wanna stay away from ph down that’s chemical. So I see I can use vinegar or lemon juice but then I also read those are not very nice for plants in general so I believe ppl using those options are only off by .5 or so on ph where Iam off by 2-1 ph If that makes sense. What is safe to use in ffof soil to ph my water. I ph using grotex ph down and had a plant issue and I chalked it up to chems in ph down so I think it scared me off that Lol.
chems in ph down?
food grade phosphoric acid?
citric acid?
i think you dont fully understand whats in ph down.
thousands of people including myself use reg bottled ph up and down and never have any kind of issues because of it. you likley added too much or have a poor quality ph meter
 

Herb potman

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chems in ph down?
food grade phosphoric acid?
citric acid?
i think you dont fully understand whats in ph down.
thousands of people including myself use reg bottled ph up and down and never have any kind of issues because of it. you likley added too much or have a poor quality ph meter
What’s in ph down ? They all have bad signs on the.m. Maybe ubcan hep explain to me please. Iam a noob and just want to see success
 

justmaples

New Member
Hey Herb potman, I am a noob too. I have experience keeping saltwater reef tanks, so I can help explain things a bit. As it happens, I was searching for the same answer as you, importance of PH for organic/slow release fertilizers grow methods.

PH Down is going to be an acid, and PH Up is going to be a base. The warning label is there to alert you to the possibility of chemical burns due to them being low and high PH solutions. They should be fine to use with Fox Farm Organic Soil if used in the proper amounts.

I am planning to use a Blumat system and will be using water from my Reverse Osmosis De-Ionization system. Specifically after the RO stage and before the DI stages. I did not want to have to PH my water so that I can take advantage of a pressurized storage tank solution to push water directly to my Blumat valves. My RO water at that point is about 6.8 - 6.9, so I figured I was good, but wanted to check.

As someone suggested, getting a water filtration system to filter your city water through would help to correct the PH as well as giving your grow nice clean low contaminant water. I would suggest using an RO filter, with sediment, carbon and finally a Reverse Osmosis stage. If you have chloramines in your city water, you are going to need a big honking carbon block after the sediment and before the RO membrane to protect the membrane from chlorine as chlorine will destroy the membrane.

The microbial life in your soil will help to bring the PH down, but providing the proper range of water will be better for all parties, your plants, the microbial life in your soil and you in the form of a better chance of success.

I hope that helps.
 

toomp

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I will be using dry amendments for npk. Gaia green Organics so I wanna stay away from ph down that’s chemical. So I see I can use vinegar or lemon juice but then I also read those are not very nice for plants in general so I believe ppl using those options are only off by .5 or so on ph where Iam off by 2-1 ph If that makes sense. What is safe to use in ffof soil to ph my water. I ph using grotex ph down and had a plant issue and I chalked it up to chems in ph down so I think it scared me off that Lol.
Have you ruled out the calcium in your water as the issue?
 

Rurumo

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I have highly alkaline water with a fair bit of calcium. If you are on city water you should be able to find a detailed analysis of your water online, check it out and find out how much alkalinity and calcium is in your water. It's just good info to have. I recommend citric acid as a PH down because it doesn't hurt the microbiome and has a whole bunch of other benefits for plants. It's a weak acid so it doesn't hold the PH down for as long as phosphoric acid (the usual culprit in PH down) but it works well enough. You should be fine in FFOF just getting your water down a bit, from 8 to 7 ph. You can get food grade citric acid on amazon for like $14 for 5 lbs which will last you forever and you can even use it to can some tomatoes or make some jam lol.
 

Lordhooha

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Hey Herb potman, I am a noob too. I have experience keeping saltwater reef tanks, so I can help explain things a bit. As it happens, I was searching for the same answer as you, importance of PH for organic/slow release fertilizers grow methods.

PH Down is going to be an acid, and PH Up is going to be a base. The warning label is there to alert you to the possibility of chemical burns due to them being low and high PH solutions. They should be fine to use with Fox Farm Organic Soil if used in the proper amounts.

I am planning to use a Blumat system and will be using water from my Reverse Osmosis De-Ionization system. Specifically after the RO stage and before the DI stages. I did not want to have to PH my water so that I can take advantage of a pressurized storage tank solution to push water directly to my Blumat valves. My RO water at that point is about 6.8 - 6.9, so I figured I was good, but wanted to check.

As someone suggested, getting a water filtration system to filter your city water through would help to correct the PH as well as giving your grow nice clean low contaminant water. I would suggest using an RO filter, with sediment, carbon and finally a Reverse Osmosis stage. If you have chloramines in your city water, you are going to need a big honking carbon block after the sediment and before the RO membrane to protect the membrane from chlorine as chlorine will destroy the membrane.

The microbial life in your soil will help to bring the PH down, but providing the proper range of water will be better for all parties, your plants, the microbial life in your soil and you in the form of a better chance of success.

I hope that helps.
I wouldn't suggest using a pressurized tank for blumats they're meant to be gravity fed. Pressurized tanks can damage the carrots.
 

xtsho

Well-Known Member
I have highly alkaline water with a fair bit of calcium. If you are on city water you should be able to find a detailed analysis of your water online, check it out and find out how much alkalinity and calcium is in your water. It's just good info to have. I recommend citric acid as a PH down because it doesn't hurt the microbiome and has a whole bunch of other benefits for plants. It's a weak acid so it doesn't hold the PH down for as long as phosphoric acid (the usual culprit in PH down) but it works well enough. You should be fine in FFOF just getting your water down a bit, from 8 to 7 ph. You can get food grade citric acid on amazon for like $14 for 5 lbs which will last you forever and you can even use it to can some tomatoes or make some jam lol.
Citric acid is also good for killing mites when mixed into a solution and sprayed. It definitely has multiple uses.
 

Webedabbin

Active Member
chems in ph down?
food grade phosphoric acid?
citric acid?
i think you dont fully understand whats in ph down.
thousands of people including myself use reg bottled ph up and down and never have any kind of issues because of it. you likley added too much or have a poor quality ph meter
YOU CAN ALSO LOWER TAP WATER PH WITH VINEGAR OR LEMON. IN A PINCH
 
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