PH dropping alot in organic soil

insomnia65 · Mar 21, 2021

kodak91 said:
you are wrong tho, according to biobizz...

Were? I read his post and biobizz, please explain how he is wrong?

xtsho · Mar 21, 2021

kodak91 said:
you are wrong tho, according to biobizz...

I've seen numerous threads of people having serious issues following the BioBizz recommendations and for that matter the feeding recommendations of numerous other nutrient companies.

The best advice in that email you posted is this:

"What you can do is this: you start with 50% of the recommended dosages"

Rurumo · Mar 21, 2021

xtsho said:
I've seen numerous threads of people having serious issues following the BioBizz recommendations and for that matter the feeding recommendations of numerous other nutrient companies.

The best advice in that email you posted is this:

"What you can do is this: you start with 50% of the recommended dosages"

I see a lot of people having trouble when they use bio bizz soils too. There is something really off there, maybe just too hot to begin with for the schedule. Their coco is also certified organic, and thus, unbuffered by cal nit, so that might be another source of problems. One good thing I can say about them is their products are totally free of heavy metals.

kodak91 · Mar 21, 2021

insomnia65 said:
Were? I read his post and biobizz, please explain how he is wrong?

Because according to Biobizz, if you water between feedings you will make ph fluctuations and stress the plant. They recommend feeding every watering at lower strength..

They also say the nutrient chart its not the recommended but the maximum dose one should give.

hotrodharley · Mar 21, 2021

xtsho said:
I've seen numerous threads of people having serious issues following the BioBizz recommendations and for that matter the feeding recommendations of numerous other nutrient companies.

The best advice in that email you posted is this:

"What you can do is this: you start with 50% of the recommended dosages"

BioBizz and Gaia Green. Add coco and RIU stays busy.

Relaxed · Mar 21, 2021

kodak91 said:
you are wrong tho, according to biobizz...

Ok great. 10 years of successful growing is wrong. Guess u corrected all of us. enjoy.....

kodak91 · Mar 21, 2021

Relaxed said:
Ok great. 10 years of successful growing is wrong. Guess u corrected all of us. enjoy.....

I was saying you were wrong in that specific point, no need to get offended. But is your 10 year of experience just in growing with biobizz soil and nutes.. ?

Kalebaiden · Mar 21, 2021

If there was ever a thread I could expert the shit out of,this would be it but I see that the OP has already found some answers that satisfy them so here's hoping for the best.

*cheers*

kodak91 · Mar 21, 2021

Kalebaiden said:
If there was ever a thread I could expert the shit out of,this would be it but I see that the OP has already found some answers that satisfy them so here's hoping for the best.

*cheers*

Im happy to hear your counter points and maybe even present them to biobizz and see what they have to say about it...

kodak91 · Mar 21, 2021

the major thing i took from the mail exchange is that, Yes you should always measure PH and adjust if it gets out of the range. The micro-organisms can adjust the PH within a certain range but not if the PH of the feed is less then 6.2. The micro-organisms can only act as PH DOWN.

They have a organic PH UP and DOWN in their line.

This contradicts what i keep reading over and over "dont mess with the PH in organic soil".

Wattzzup · Mar 21, 2021

kodak91 said:
the major thing i took from the mail exchange is that, Yes you should always measure PH and adjust if it gets out of the range. The micro-organisms can adjust the PH within a certain range but not if the PH of the feed is less then 6.2. The micro-organisms can only act as PH DOWN.

They have a organic PH UP and DOWN in their line.

This contradicts what i keep reading over and over "dont mess with the PH in organic soil".

Please highlight where they tell you to make any ph adjustments.

ComfortCreator · Mar 21, 2021

I think, reading through this, that BioBizz has a formula that if followed closely can work very well. The water and Ph comments make sense within their system. Its how they designed it. But what they are saying is simplified and very much about their own system of soil, nutes and water.

Wattzzup · Mar 21, 2021

Try to avoid the use of pH correction products. Try to rely on the micro-life to do the work.Non-organic pH products will damage the micro-life we rely on so much

kodak91 · Mar 21, 2021

Wattzzup said:
Try to avoid the use of pH correction products. Try to rely on the micro-life to do the work.Non-organic pH products will damage the micro-life we rely on so much

They have a organic PH up and down in their line. This email was from 2016 i think they added the organic ph AFTER that

Wattzzup · Mar 21, 2021

That to me means AVOID the use of ph correction products. Even the one they sell, and try to rely on the microbes to do the ph adjusting.

kodak91 · Mar 21, 2021

Wattzzup said:
That to me means AVOID the use of ph correction. Even the one they sell, and try to rely on the microbes to do the ph adjusting.

Nop. What they are saying is dont use non-organic ph correction especially from other brands... They did not had organic ph correction in their product line back then.

Rurumo · Mar 21, 2021

kodak91 said:
the major thing i took from the mail exchange is that, Yes you should always measure PH and adjust if it gets out of the range. The micro-organisms can adjust the PH within a certain range but not if the PH of the feed is less then 6.2. The micro-organisms can only act as PH DOWN.

They have a organic PH UP and DOWN in their line.

This contradicts what i keep reading over and over "dont mess with the PH in organic soil".

This "never ph with organic soil" idea is based on a kernel of truth, but like all blanket statements, it doesn't hold up in every situation. In living soils with plenty of humates and a well developed rhizosphere, MOST people do not need to ph their water. Some people with extreme water sources will always need to PH it. Now if you get a bag of "organic" potting soil, I say, YES, you need to PH it, until you cultivate a functioning rhizosphere, and even then you will need to watch the plants to see how they react.

Kalebaiden · Mar 21, 2021

Rurumo said:
This "never ph with organic soil" idea is based on a kernel of truth, but like all blanket statements, it doesn't hold up in every situation. In living soils with plenty of humates and a well developed rhizosphere, MOST people do not need to ph their water. Some people with extreme water sources will always need to PH it. Now if you get a bag of "organic" potting soil, I say, YES, you need to PH it, until you cultivate a functioning rhizosphere, and even then you will need to watch the plants to see how they react.

I like you and I think Subcool would have liked you too.

myke · Mar 21, 2021

If your using organic soil like the OP then why add nutes? If you have too then the soil is no good.Youd be way farther ahead amending the soil first let cook then use.The longer it sits the better it gets and buffers ph.

Wattzzup · Mar 21, 2021

kodak91 said:
Nop. What they are saying is dont use non-organic ph correction especially from other brands... They did not had organic ph correction in their product line back then.

I highlighted exactly what they said. Please show where they say to adjust ph. Quote your email where it says to adjust.

PH dropping alot in organic soil

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