Dr. Nuggett
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djruiner, I had thought that might happen being that the plant totally explodes with growth during flower. Now in my opinion you have to try something or you will end up with a very very small yield if any.
Perpetual Short Bus: A Crop Circle Story
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Short Bus
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Ruiner, nothing wrong with transplanting early in flower. You can also try dropping 2 small plants into one larger container, and train each around 1 side of the bucket. That's what I do, works pretty well. They will move more quickly if they feel they room to grow above and below the soil line.
Doc, I've read a couple Riddleme threads and exchanged posts, the guy's a pro. I'm considering a dual 400w CMH set-up, just gotta save up for ballasts. Still considering whether to do 2 lights or 1 dual lamp reflector with the mover. The light mover is the only part of Hobbes' system I'm not sold on yet. Hasn't helped as much as I expected, seems like getting a second light would have been better. Any thoughts? Say, are you familiar with a strain called Endless Sky?
Got my eye on some of that...
Doc, I've read a couple Riddleme threads and exchanged posts, the guy's a pro. I'm considering a dual 400w CMH set-up, just gotta save up for ballasts. Still considering whether to do 2 lights or 1 dual lamp reflector with the mover. The light mover is the only part of Hobbes' system I'm not sold on yet. Hasn't helped as much as I expected, seems like getting a second light would have been better. Any thoughts? Say, are you familiar with a strain called Endless Sky?
Got my eye on some of that...
djruiner
Well-Known Member
i didnt think it would hurt..just wasnt sure with this type of training how it would react....and on my next few grows i think im going to try the 2 plants per container and train it this way..just wanted to do one plant at a time this time till i get it figured out...no need to overdo it...and ill still have another ccob in a party cup so i can compare the difference.
djruiner
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been pulling some decent yields with party cups...over an oz per plant...but doing the ccob...its got a lot more growth then normal...i just dont have the room to do giant containers till i get a tent...in a stealth dresser for now...i cant fit anything bigger then a gallon bucket in there right now...and ive already got a haze plant flowering in a bucket...so im packed as it is..but this one plant deserves more...so ill have 2 that are crop circled..one in a bucket and one in a party cup..then ill see what the difference is after they finish
Saladman AKA Mixed Greens
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Yo Bus, i'm posting a response to the hip-hop convo we were having here, don't want to complicate the Grow Lab thread any more than it already is. 
"Not a huge fan of Living Legends, or John Legend, or anyone else conceited enough to name themselves "legend".
Bus, check out AceyAlone, Freestyle Fellowship and Abstract Rude, it's the dope shit. A bit old, but worth listening to.
Check out "Annaliliyah" By AceyAlone on YouTube, it's what first made me pay attention to him - Now that's how you tell a coherent story through rap.
edit : a couple links to make things easier :
AceyAlone - Annalilia
AceyAlone & Abstract Rude - MaskaRaid - You're gonna like this one Bus
AceyAlone - Arythamaticulus
edit 2 : had to drop these gems on you too.
AceyAlone - Grandfather Clock
Freestyle Fellowship (Vocals by Mikah Nyne) - Park Bench People - Now this is how you mix jazz & hip-hop
Damn B, you got me showing my age and reminiscing like a mug...goot times!
And yeah man, Pharcyde was the shit...I almost had a chance to work with FatLip, but he got hooked on crack and the rest is history.
Best line from "Your Momz", at the end of the song when they're just bagging on each other : "Ya mama looks like an extra from the Simpsons"
or
"Ya mama be eatin' Daytons (wheel rims) like Now & Laters (candy)"
or
"Ya mamas so fat it looks like she glidin' when she walks"
Speaking of Ya Mama jokes, I heard a good one the other day...
"Ya mama's so ugly she'll make a freight train wanna take a dirt road."
So Bus, what dd you think of the supplemental T5 idea from a few posts back?" Also, let me know what you think of the Jammie Jams.
"Not a huge fan of Living Legends, or John Legend, or anyone else conceited enough to name themselves "legend".
Bus, check out AceyAlone, Freestyle Fellowship and Abstract Rude, it's the dope shit. A bit old, but worth listening to.
Check out "Annaliliyah" By AceyAlone on YouTube, it's what first made me pay attention to him - Now that's how you tell a coherent story through rap.
edit : a couple links to make things easier
:AceyAlone - Annalilia
AceyAlone & Abstract Rude - MaskaRaid - You're gonna like this one Bus
AceyAlone - Arythamaticulus
edit 2 : had to drop these gems on you too.
AceyAlone - Grandfather Clock
Freestyle Fellowship (Vocals by Mikah Nyne) - Park Bench People - Now this is how you mix jazz & hip-hop
Damn B, you got me showing my age and reminiscing like a mug...goot times!
And yeah man, Pharcyde was the shit...I almost had a chance to work with FatLip, but he got hooked on crack and the rest is history.
Best line from "Your Momz", at the end of the song when they're just bagging on each other : "Ya mama looks like an extra from the Simpsons"
or
"Ya mama be eatin' Daytons (wheel rims) like Now & Laters (candy)"
or
"Ya mamas so fat it looks like she glidin' when she walks"
Speaking of Ya Mama jokes, I heard a good one the other day...
"Ya mama's so ugly she'll make a freight train wanna take a dirt road."
So Bus, what dd you think of the supplemental T5 idea from a few posts back?" Also, let me know what you think of the Jammie Jams.
Short Bus
Active Member
Ya momz so fat she rolls Frito blunts with soggy napkins! Ok, ok...
Aceyalone's the man, I've actually been a fan of his and Freestyle Fellowship for years. FF is so ridiculously talented. Damn... So what kind of work were you planning to do with Fatlip? Tell me you make beats! Anyway, thanks for the trip down memory lane, homes, great selection. I like the idea of additional side lighting for sure, I'm a big fan of flourescent lighting for growing. Definitely something to consider. If I was still SOGing I'd probably run those T5s exclusively, and just sit em on top of the plants. I'm gonna pick up a 1000w set-up today tho, minus bulb. Gonna have to wait a minute for that, but I can use the reflector immediately, which would be nice. My old batwing reflector sucks, I think a more focused light footprint will help me out.
Aceyalone's the man, I've actually been a fan of his and Freestyle Fellowship for years. FF is so ridiculously talented. Damn... So what kind of work were you planning to do with Fatlip? Tell me you make beats! Anyway, thanks for the trip down memory lane, homes, great selection. I like the idea of additional side lighting for sure, I'm a big fan of flourescent lighting for growing. Definitely something to consider. If I was still SOGing I'd probably run those T5s exclusively, and just sit em on top of the plants. I'm gonna pick up a 1000w set-up today tho, minus bulb. Gonna have to wait a minute for that, but I can use the reflector immediately, which would be nice. My old batwing reflector sucks, I think a more focused light footprint will help me out.
Saladman AKA Mixed Greens
Member
Nah, not a beat man. I was part of a band for a while, similar to the Roots, funk/soul/underground hip-hop with a horn section, keys, guitars, drums, bass, a couple singers and a couple MCs. I was one of the MCs and did some percussion & horn work. Lip was gonna come on and do a couple tracks w/ me, kinda like a hip-hop duet, but, as Rick James said..."Cocaine is a hell of a drug."
How much closer do you think that setup will get you to achieving Hobbesesque numbers? My main concern, and what I feel could be the fatal flaw, is that regardless of how much light you hit the girls with, if they don't have some type of semi-strong, constant light then they may just stop developing (or drastically slow down) during the minute or so that the lamp is on the other side of the cage. And over 2-3 months, every other minute, those minutes without direct constant light can add up. But then again, Hobbes only used one 600W and is/was pulling a QP to 6oz. per plant, so....I don't know man, I'm confused...How the hell does he do it?
One last thing, Bus...Do you ever watch King of the Hill? There's an episode I want you to check out, let me know if you have access (netflix, alternate streaming, etc.) and I'll PM you about it. I know it sounds weird, but trust me, I'm going somewhere with this.
Short Bus
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Yeah, I check out some KOTH on occasion. Dale owns, but I wish they'd kill off Peggy already.
I think the thousand will get me bigger numbers regardless. I think that the keys to Hobbes' systemlie in understanding Hobbes. Hobbes gets distracted, has a million projects at a time, is mildly OCD, etc. I think his yields come from having heavily vegged plants that are primed to explode in flower. I also think it's worth bearing in mind that Hobbes doesn't seem concerned with having a larfy underside to the plant, he goes by volume and not weight, and he makes a ton of extracts with whatever's not good enough to smoke. I think the key is preparing the plants, and I think I'm just starting to do that.
I think the thousand will get me bigger numbers regardless. I think that the keys to Hobbes' systemlie in understanding Hobbes. Hobbes gets distracted, has a million projects at a time, is mildly OCD, etc. I think his yields come from having heavily vegged plants that are primed to explode in flower. I also think it's worth bearing in mind that Hobbes doesn't seem concerned with having a larfy underside to the plant, he goes by volume and not weight, and he makes a ton of extracts with whatever's not good enough to smoke. I think the key is preparing the plants, and I think I'm just starting to do that.
Dr. Nuggett
Member
You mean this one?
Endless Sky
[Dr. Greenthumb Seeds]
Indica 90 / Sativa 10
Origins - Iranian Indica x Grenadine
Flowering - 55 - 65 days
Harvest - Mid October
Dr. Greenthumb's breeding program emphasizes outdoor performance in Canada, and his Endless Sky strain is no exception, finishing by mid-October in its massive latitudes. But Endless Sky is also a great indoor strain for growers seeking a potent, easily cultivated indica.
Like many indicas, Endless Sky does well in soil but really flourishes in hydro, where she grows very fast. Her moderate size and limited branching make Endless Sky a good choice for small space and sea of green gardens. When flowered at 10-12 inches tall, these plants reach 24-30 inches at harvest. If raised in a sea of green under a 400 watt HPS with an average 1500 parts per million of nutrient salts, Endless Sky will yield 400-500 grams (14-17 ounces) per square meter.
Endless Sky tends toward a single, tight and chunky central cola, although she may form a few short side branches. Buds range from soda-can size up to the size of two-liter soda bottle when ripe. The ripe buds are heavy for their girth and crusty with trichomes. Endless Sky's sun leaves are large and display characteristics midway between indicas and sativas, with a tendecy toward the wider indica leaf pattern. Leaves often turn to pink or yellow-pink at maturity.
The poetic name is a pleasure to say but may also be a reflection on the buzz, which is very open and spacey. This varity produces a potent, indica-type stone that has been reported toprovide pain relief.One hit warms your whole head almost instantly. This is not a good toke when preparing to dive or operate heavy machinery. Endless Sky's dense smoke tastes earthy, like hash, and produces a dreamy, hashy experience that lasts up to four hours.
I have never tried it but have heard a lot of good things about it. Being it is 80% Indica its not for me. Even though I might be able to harvest just as the trichs start getting milky and not fall a sleep soon after smoking.
Endless Sky
[Dr. Greenthumb Seeds]
Indica 90 / Sativa 10
Origins - Iranian Indica x Grenadine
Flowering - 55 - 65 days
Harvest - Mid October
Dr. Greenthumb's breeding program emphasizes outdoor performance in Canada, and his Endless Sky strain is no exception, finishing by mid-October in its massive latitudes. But Endless Sky is also a great indoor strain for growers seeking a potent, easily cultivated indica.
Like many indicas, Endless Sky does well in soil but really flourishes in hydro, where she grows very fast. Her moderate size and limited branching make Endless Sky a good choice for small space and sea of green gardens. When flowered at 10-12 inches tall, these plants reach 24-30 inches at harvest. If raised in a sea of green under a 400 watt HPS with an average 1500 parts per million of nutrient salts, Endless Sky will yield 400-500 grams (14-17 ounces) per square meter.
Endless Sky tends toward a single, tight and chunky central cola, although she may form a few short side branches. Buds range from soda-can size up to the size of two-liter soda bottle when ripe. The ripe buds are heavy for their girth and crusty with trichomes. Endless Sky's sun leaves are large and display characteristics midway between indicas and sativas, with a tendecy toward the wider indica leaf pattern. Leaves often turn to pink or yellow-pink at maturity.
The poetic name is a pleasure to say but may also be a reflection on the buzz, which is very open and spacey. This varity produces a potent, indica-type stone that has been reported toprovide pain relief.One hit warms your whole head almost instantly. This is not a good toke when preparing to dive or operate heavy machinery. Endless Sky's dense smoke tastes earthy, like hash, and produces a dreamy, hashy experience that lasts up to four hours.
I have never tried it but have heard a lot of good things about it. Being it is 80% Indica its not for me. Even though I might be able to harvest just as the trichs start getting milky and not fall a sleep soon after smoking.
Saladman AKA Mixed Greens
Member
Bus,
How's that super-pruned/defoliated Sour Grape coming along? Are you stripping all of her fan leaves? You should, I'd really like some reputable confirmation once and for all From that thread I linked you a while back, I think it's best to do the defol around 21 days after initiation of 12/12, or just a bit after stretch ends. I know its against conventional logic, but something about the hypothesis that fan leaves are used mainly for veg growth, while the leaves that surround the buds are what are used during flower makes sense to me. I understand that there may be some initial slowing of growth due to shock, but in tight quarters, such as in a CCOB bucket, it may be worth it in the end if more flowers get more light and the above hypothesis is true. And Hobbes said that his plants were finishing earlier with CCOB (by about a week I believe) so that early slowed growth mixed with the earlier flower time may just even things out back to the standard flowering time but with an increased yield.
Thoughts?
How's that super-pruned/defoliated Sour Grape coming along? Are you stripping all of her fan leaves? You should
, I'd really like some reputable confirmation once and for all From that thread I linked you a while back, I think it's best to do the defol around 21 days after initiation of 12/12, or just a bit after stretch ends. I know its against conventional logic, but something about the hypothesis that fan leaves are used mainly for veg growth, while the leaves that surround the buds are what are used during flower makes sense to me. I understand that there may be some initial slowing of growth due to shock, but in tight quarters, such as in a CCOB bucket, it may be worth it in the end if more flowers get more light and the above hypothesis is true. And Hobbes said that his plants were finishing earlier with CCOB (by about a week I believe) so that early slowed growth mixed with the earlier flower time may just even things out back to the standard flowering time but with an increased yield.Thoughts?
lbezphil2005
Well-Known Member
Definitely works for me! I have had nothing but success doing it that way, helps keep pm and mold, etc down too
Short Bus
Active Member
I've had great results from deleafing in the past, but I'll say this about the current run of deleafed plants: They want constant light. With the light mover, the plants are getting a little underdeveloped. I'm thinking that letting them go natural until about 2 weeks before harvest would let them make use of their shade leaves and still give the underside of the plant some light to harden up the buds there. Thats one thing the whole "conventional" crowd is right on, shade leaves function in the shade and help the plant cope in low light situations. That SG is looking like a stick with little hairballs, hopefully she'll pull it together and throw some weight. Sigh... live n learn. PS-if you get grossed out easily, skip my next post.
Short Bus
Active Member
So I was trying to muscle a stripped screw out of my tower yesterday, and I put the tip of my screwdriver right thru the tip of my thumb. Like this.
Love that macro setting. I also like how you can see the germinative cell layer (the white stuff in there), that's the base of your skin tissue right there. I'm hoping I can get the flap to reattach and seal back together, at least a little, with some fancy bandaging. The moral is, don't work tired, and don't work frustrated, you might do something stupid. And painful.
Love that macro setting. I also like how you can see the germinative cell layer (the white stuff in there), that's the base of your skin tissue right there. I'm hoping I can get the flap to reattach and seal back together, at least a little, with some fancy bandaging. The moral is, don't work tired, and don't work frustrated, you might do something stupid. And painful.
Dr. Nuggett
Member
ouch! Try super glue.
Short Bus
Active Member
Honestly, a great idea. 2 of my uncles and my father-in-law fought in Vietnam, all very big fans of "Liquid Stitch," also known as Super Glue. Last spring I put a scalpel into my thumb in Anatomy lab. The school tried to insist I go get it stitched together. I told em if they didn't just glue it shut I'd go home and do it myself, since I was uninsured. An hour later I was back in lab with my thumb glued and wrapped up. Finished my disection and played a concert the same night. Glue+skin=no hospital bill. Sweet! For anyone interested, there's a new post in my harvest journal.
Saladman AKA Mixed Greens
Member
Fah-keen GROSS dude! 
Yeah man, like Doc Nug said, hit it with some Super Glue, or even better, slather that finger in Neosporin and duct tape that bitch up good!
Good luck bruh, hope it heals up nicely.
Yeah man, like Doc Nug said, hit it with some Super Glue, or even better, slather that finger in Neosporin and duct tape that bitch up good!
Good luck bruh, hope it heals up nicely.
Dr. Nuggett
Member
Hey Short Bus, where did you get the Endless Sky seeds from. I thought I might try some just to make some oil out of for a friend that has thin skin disease. Also Saladman removing the shade leaves in my opinion can cause different problems. 1st it takes away one of there food and water storage. 2nd it makes them more acceptable to spider mites and other critters that attack sick plants, fungus and all that. Some people may say do it but I think that these plants have adapted them selves over the years to survive with just what it needs to produce at its peak. That is just my 2 cents. Oh and they also help the plant perspire when they get to hot to cool them down.