Out door pots newbie

hey, new member and new grower here. My white widow seedlings are doing pretty good and I want them to continue to do good, they are in keg cups now awaiting transplant into five gal pots, the pots will contain an uneducated random mix of crap I read and didn't really measure lol, one bail of pro mix, which is four small bags, one brick coco Coir, going to add compost I will be getting from a mushroom farmer one 20 lb bag of worm castings one big handful of fish bone meal, one sandwich bag full of soya meal, this has all been sitting on a tarp for a week and seedlings are going into it tomorrow, I have access to oyster shell that I would have to crush down because its pellet size should I add?? any thing els I can add that won't burn or fuck up my plants would be greatly appreciated, I know I will have to add nutes along the way for vegging so please point me in the right direction thanks

Troggy_420 said:

hey, new member and new grower here. My white widow seedlings are doing pretty good and I want them to continue to do good, they are in keg cups now awaiting transplant into five gal pots, the pots will contain an uneducated random mix of crap I read and didn't really measure lol, one bail of pro mix, which is four small bags, one brick coco Coir, going to add compost I will be getting from a mushroom farmer one 20 lb bag of worm castings one big handful of fish bone meal, one sandwich bag full of soya meal, this has all been sitting on a tarp for a week and seedlings are going into it tomorrow, I have access to oyster shell that I would have to crush down because its pellet size should I add?? any thing els I can add that won't burn or fuck up my plants would be greatly appreciated, I know I will have to add nutes along the way for vegging so please point me in the right direction thanks

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Blood meal is a big one, but besides that it looks like you got it down pretty good. Never tried oyster shells but have heard they are great thing to add. That mix should work perfectly fine but here's a general feeding schedule that will yield the best results:

VEGETATION:
Seedling 2-1-2 40-20-40%
Early Vegetative 4-2-3 44-22-33%
Mid-Vegetative 10-5-7 45-23-32%

FLOWERING:
Cycle Changeover 7-7-7 33-33-33%
Early Flowering 5-10-7 23-45-32%
Mid-Flowering 6-15-10 20-48-32%
Late Flowering 4-10-7 20-47-33%

And here are some additional nutrients that can result in better results:

Calcium is used by plants in cell membranes, at their growing points and to neutralize toxic materials. In addition, calcium improves soil structure and helps bind organic and inorganic particles together.

Magnesium is the only metallic component of chlorophyll. Without it, plants can't process sunlight.

Sulfur is a component of many proteins.

Finally, there are eight elements that plants need in tiny amounts. These are called micronutrients and include boron, copper and iron. Healthy soil that is high in organic matter usually contains adequate amounts of each of these micronutrients.

Do some research to find out more but this is all, if not more than you need to know to get your nutrients perfect

Dadopeboii said:

Blood meal is a big one, but besides that it looks like you got it down pretty good. Never tried oyster shells but have heard they are great thing to add. That mix should work perfectly fine but here's a general feeding schedule that will yield the best results:

VEGETATION:
Seedling 2-1-2 40-20-40%
Early Vegetative 4-2-3 44-22-33%
Mid-Vegetative 10-5-7 45-23-32%

FLOWERING:
Cycle Changeover 7-7-7 33-33-33%
Early Flowering 5-10-7 23-45-32%
Mid-Flowering 6-15-10 20-48-32%
Late Flowering 4-10-7 20-47-33%

And here are some additional nutrients that can result in better results:

Calcium is used by plants in cell membranes, at their growing points and to neutralize toxic materials. In addition, calcium improves soil structure and helps bind organic and inorganic particles together.

Magnesium is the only metallic component of chlorophyll. Without it, plants can't process sunlight.

Sulfur is a component of many proteins.

Finally, there are eight elements that plants need in tiny amounts. These are called micronutrients and include boron, copper and iron. Healthy soil that is high in organic matter usually contains adequate amounts of each of these micronutrients.

Do some research to find out more but this is all, if not more than you need to know to get your nutrients perfect

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Hey appreciate the feedback, thanks man. I was going to add blood meal in but did not because of the lack of time I have to cook the soil should I add a very little amount to soil at the bottom of pots and roots will adventually reach it? Or just forget about it and feed through water when I need to

Hey man plants look great and I can't disagree with your soil choice. I've always went organic mainly promix with worm castings, bat guano and my own organic fertilizer. My only suggestion is to not transplant into 5 gallons yet. The route I always go is solo cup-1 gallon-3 gallon.

the reason I suggest this is to regulate the amount of water the roots will uptake and have sitting around them. If you transplant into a 5 gallon and water until 20-30%run off you'd have to use quite a bit of h20 and your roots and soil will take longer to dry out for your next watering. You could water more frequent with less water I suppose but I've always found transplanting more often into smaller pots gradually has yielded the best results for me. Everyone is different. I have just transferred mine from solo cups to 1 gallons and they are taking off like crazy.

best of luck to you and happy growing. Cheers

Nice man, that does make a lot of sence, probably going follow you on that one, and then while I'm waiting to pot up I can always add a bit to my mix for the five gals pots and then it will have more time to cook, do you pot up again from your five gals for flowering??

ryeguy said:

Hey man plants look great and I can't disagree with your soil choice. I've always went organic mainly promix with worm castings, bat guano and my own organic fertilizer. My only suggestion is to not transplant into 5 gallons yet. The route I always go is solo cup-1 gallon-3 gallon.

the reason I suggest this is to regulate the amount of water the roots will uptake and have sitting around them. If you transplant into a 5 gallon and water until 20-30%run off you'd have to use quite a bit of h20 and your roots and soil will take longer to dry out for your next watering. You could water more frequent with less water I suppose but I've always found transplanting more often into smaller pots gradually has yielded the best results for me. Everyone is different. I have just transferred mine from solo cups to 1 gallons and they are taking off like crazy.

best of luck to you and happy growing. Cheers

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And your plants look super healthy (y)

Thanks sir. And I always stop at 5 gallons for flower same with my dad. All depends on how the root system has developed after I take her out of a 3 gallon. If you feel like the root ball is going to go root bound within your flowering time then maybe jump up to a bigger size (6-7 gallon?) ive never had to use anything bigger than a 5 gallon but honestly using something bigger at that stage really isn't going to effect such a big healthy plant. It's when the roots and stem are still developing in veg you'd want to be able to regulate the water intake, they grow so much bigger letting soil dry out a tad causing roots to stretch (plant to grow).Easier to handle as well with smaller pots.

Recently I've been putting my girls in ground around my pond which runs off towards them and they love it. Roots are always fed air and water naturally, they aren't right in water but about 5 feet from pond so it's perfect. If we get a drought spell the above ground dries up but I know there's tons of water where I can't see, I supplement watering with food every so often as well. A lot of people around my area in the country grow in swamps mainly because they can't get in to water them frequently. Less to worry about I suppose. Little rant there you know how it goes after you smoke one.

your plants will do great regardless off to a wicked start. All the best in your grow. cheers

Your help is much appreciated, one last thing would you let your plants dry out so much that you can visibly tell they need water like drooping leaves, or do you do use moisture meter, pick up the pot and weigh?,stick your finger in to see if dry?,I fear I am over watering, but also don't want them to dry right out while I'm at work during the day

Weird was just going to post again as I have felt like I forgot to mention that exact ritual.

For my 1 gallons I use 500ml water every 3 days. Always let the top inch or so (give or take) dry out before your next water. This aids in getting air down into your root system which is what your plants use to uptake food. Jump up to 1 litre or more for your 3 gallons and so on. You can find your own ritual some plants like more, some soils drain better some areas have higher temperate it all depends, but 500ml for 1 gallon is a great start.

also when you do transplant fill up the 1 gallon a quarter full and use your solo cup to make your indent for the root ball as it will be the exact same size. Carefully chip off the top bit of soil (1/2inch as there won't be any roots) and some soil from the side of the root ball as well not as important as the top 1/2 inch.

you will do great sir. After you get into 1 gallons, oh boy are they ever going to take off. Happy growing, cheers.

You can water Monday morning go to work and not worry until at least Tuesday night-Wednesday morning before work if not longer depends on soil, temps, watering etc. typically drooping leaves is from over watering. If you look in my picture you will see how the soil should look when needing water, girl to the top left (rest were watered that day) She wil get water tomorrow as the top inch is starting to dry out. Your leaves will droop when the sun goes down but that's them saying good night. They will perk up as soon as daylight breaks. Always say goodnight to your ladies they always let you know what's going on just by appreance. Cheers

Hey man you've been more than helpful, I'm glad I've had nothing but a positive experience on this forum since joining a couple days ago, members like you helping beginners like myself is really great. have a good night a good grow, cheers man and once again much apriciated.

Cheers brotha were all in it together.

Troggy_420 said:

Hey appreciate the feedback, thanks man. I was going to add blood meal in but did not because of the lack of time I have to cook the soil should I add a very little amount to soil at the bottom of pots and roots will adventually reach it? Or just forget about it and feed through water when I need to

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Yea you can add to bottom of pot, I personally wouldn't worry too much about it cooking but idk... by the time the roots reach it tho it should be done cooking

ryeguy said:

Cheers brotha were all in it together.

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ryeguy said:

Cheers brotha were all in it together.

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i know this is a old thread but man were you right on my pants taking off in the one gal pots hasn't even been very long and they have doubled in size!!

ryeguy said:

Cheers brotha were all in it together.

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Ain't that the truth. Let the joy of 4/20 liberate people everywhere.

I have some small seedlings at there first node wondering when i should move them outside. As this will be my first outdoor grow. Temps are right now in my state. Also not sure if i should plant in the ground or in pots outside what is better.