OSA28 Silica?!?

MistaRasta

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Anyone use this?

'Monosilicic acid' (aka orthosilicic acid) is just the form soluble Si takes when hydrated (dissolved in water) at acidic pH. At more alkaline pH (starting around 8.5 ) Si becomes ionized, but at a pH lower than 8 Si takes the form of monosilicic acid in solution, which is the form plants uptake Si, and then they convert it to SiO2. Its basically a fancy way of saying 'watered down silica' and allows for the company to list a higher % on the product than if they expressed the % in just Si, so the product appears to be more concentrated but it isn't. As pH increases above 8.5, the Si in solutions changes to ionized polysilicic acids, at 9.3-9.5 disilicic acid stabilizes, at pH below 4 non-ionic polysilicic acids form. But as long as you keep pH 4-8 more than 99% of your Si will be in the form of monosilicic acid. (Osa)

silicate salts are highly alkaline. when added to solution they raise the solutions pH. As pH raises to greater than 8 (the form that silica takes in water changes from non reactive, non-ionic monosilicic acid, to reactive, ionic polysilicic acids that react with other minerals (unsure of which ones) and precipitate out of solution, giving a cloudy appearance.

Basically at high pH (silica changes forms to a form that can react with other minerals and precipitate out of solution. The best way to prevent this is to add your silicate salt first out of all nutrients, and then lower the pH (add acid) to levels that will insure that pH wont rise to 8 when adding your other nutrients.


So, No.
 
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StrictlyClassified

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Can a moderator please move this thread to "useless arguing" when we are all here for one reason. To be a better grower and expand our knowledge. Quit critisizing people. Geez
 

DonBrennon

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This is one of the main reasons these forums are a joke, you guys call yourself organic than spray lab made syntetized chemicals on your "organic plants" then come on these forums and give people bad advise, I just don't know how much I can take the stupidity on these forums...it just blows my mind how nieve some people are.
Hahaha.....Ok........I've been resisting replying for too long pmsl..............did you not re-read this post and have a go at editing it?

The Irony, LOL
 

DonBrennon

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This is one of the main reasons these forums are a joke, you guys call yourself organic than spray lab made syntetized chemicals on your "organic plants" then come on these forums and give people bad advise, I just don't know how much I can take the stupidity on these forums...it just blows my mind how nieve some people are.
I use 5 ml of liquid silica(0.6% potassium sillicate/99.4% water) to emulsify my neem oil in 200ml of warm water, which then gets diluted in 8L of tepid water. I'm not gonna do the math, but I'll bet it's less than 0.001% of the final foliar solution. I'll use this foliar 3-4 times in veg. Apart from that, there is not another synthetic product that I use.

I've never advised anybody to use any sillica product or any synthetic...............bad advice?

I suppose I'm not 100% growing organically, but do I REALLY care? Until I find something else to emulsify neem oil, I suppose I'll keep spraying lab made syntetized chemicals all over my "organic plants"

I make my own LAB, fish hydrolysate, OHN, Veg stimulant and bloom boost as well as building my own diy led light, so yes, I guess I'm stupid and 'nieve' LOL

Should I start posting pictures of my 20gal no tills, mulch and all, in the DWC or flood and drain thread, hey? I'd look very clever then wouldn't I?
 

MistaRasta

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This is one of the main reasons these forums are a joke, you guys call yourself organic than spray lab made syntetized chemicals on your "organic plants" then come on these forums and give people bad advise, I just don't know how much I can take the stupidity on these forums...it just blows my mind how nieve some people are.

These posts are getting ridiculous...

Let me give you a list of chemicals made in a lab that are Omri certified so you'll shut up about it..

-Solubor (borax)
- ferrous sulfate
- diatomaceous earth (yes, it's made in a lab)
-magnesium sulfate
-sulfate of potash
-manganese sulfate
-zinc sulfate
-calcium sulfate (gypsum, it'd be very ironic if you used this)


These are ALL certified for organic use and like I said, were all made in a lab..Look each name up on google and you'll find organic certification straight from Omri themselves..
 
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MistaRasta

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I've never advised anybody to use any sillica product or any synthetic...............bad advice?
This was me, too bad this guy doesn't know what he's talking about.. I'll take him seriously when he gets past the organic propaganda stage, ya know, does some real research.. Where 'no salts shall enter' and 'research?..off ye must fuck.'

I make my own LAB, fish hydrolysate, OHN, Veg stimulant and bloom boost as well as building my own diy led light, so yes, I guess I'm stupid
fish hydrolosate is made in a lab?!? But certified for organic use even though it has preservatives and such and even sometimes being extracted with chemicals like edta?

Oh my!
 

testiclees

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This is one of the main reasons these forums are a joke, you guys call yourself organic than spray lab made syntetized chemicals on your "organic plants" then come on these forums and give people bad advise, I just don't know how much I can take the stupidity on these forums...it just blows my mind how nieve some people are.
dude your understanding of the term "organic" is extremely primitive.

Also dont cite "stupidity" in the body of a post that is loaded with spelling errors. The obvious carelessness and inattention to detail shows that you're thinking is the funny part of the "joke".
 

testiclees

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As far as silicate chemistry and appropriate application, it is is an extremely complex topic. I suggest that if anyone in interested in a better understanding of the intricacies of silica take a trip over to the silica thread at the logical gardener. There are 2 Ph.D biochemists over there and they talk about it in some detail. It is not as simple as stated in the thread here.
 

DonBrennon

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These posts are getting ridiculous...

Let me give you a list of chemicals made in a lab that are Omri certified so you'll shut up about it..

-Solubor (borax)
- ferrous sulfate
- diatomaceous earth (yes, it's made in a lab)
-magnesium sulfate
-sulfate of potash
-manganese sulfate
-zinc sulfate
-calcium sulfate (gypsum, it'd be very ironic if you used this)


These are ALL certified for organic use and like I said, were all made in a lab..Look each name up on google and you'll find organic certification straight from Omri themselves..
See........this is what it's about............discussion..............the post I'm quoting made me do a little research into gypsum, cos I'd always assumed it was a mined, natural, inorganic, mineral product.................Well, it is, but it can also be made as a by product in the manufacture of soft rock phosphates and other chemical manufacturing processes.

The question this poses is...............Where does the gypsum we use come from? Mine came in a plastic bag with a white label saying gypsum and that's it. I suppose it could as easily be a chemically manufactured by product as a mined one, but if the end product and chemical symbol is the same, does it matter?

I also read how they make gyproc/plaster boards, lol, why the fook am I paying for gypsum. They basically hydrate the gypsum and let it set in sheets, the only thing added is paper. Think I might just throw a couple of chunks into my worm bin occasionally and let them sort it out.
 

MistaRasta

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See........this is what it's about............discussion..............

I also read how they make gyproc/plaster boards, lol, why the fook am I paying for gypsum. They basically hydrate the gypsum and let it set in sheets, the only thing added is paper. Think I might just throw a couple of chunks into my worm bin occasionally and let them sort it out.
Garden Gypsum is VERY cheap in my neck of the woods. 13$ for 40 pounds. That's a good deal.

Don't use gypsum from the hardware store.. they use calcium sulfate, yes, but many many more things we don't want. That's why there's garden gypsum and 'hardware' gypsum.

"The plaster is mixed with fibre (typically paper and/or fibreglass), plasticizer, foaming agent, finely ground gypsum crystal as an accelerator, EDTA, starch or other chelate as a retarder, various additives that may decrease mildew and increase fire resistance (fibreglass), and waxemulsion or silanes for lower water absorption."
 
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