Organic TGA Grow Journal - Plushberry, Qush, Flav, Ace of Spades...the list goes on!

How far along is that ace? I have 2 in flower right now.. 1 is going on 3 weeks and the other is around 6-7 weeks.... Both are gonna yield well thats for sure, one has no color and is looking very jtr-ish and the other doesnt really have much bud grown yet but the calyxs and what little bud is there is pinkish-purple so I'm hoping she comes out looking like yours.. But the younger one has a very different indica looking leaf structure so I'm hoping it leans hard to BCS... I had a 3rd but she spit nanners at week 4 but I believe that was the mix of the 2 parents... She had a sativa look but had nothing but pink bud on her, very fruity pebbles cut looking...

My ace is at day 29 in that photo, today is day 30. Sucks to hear about your pink lady spittin nanners - I'm in my room daily just checking everyone out makin sure there are no bananas. Gotta be extra careful with TGA gear - its dank but there do seem to be a decent number of herms, although I've had none so far - keepin my fingers crossed!! Do you have any pics of your ladies around week 4? I would love to see a comparison.

I'm not sure when my pics are from in my picture thing so I cant really say aside from these... but heres a few of from 2 days ago.....


Day 43 on my JTR dominant...






Day 17 on the BCS... you can see the calyxs are already pink so this one is gonna be sexy as hell... I just hope I dont screw it up and over feed her... I'm running SS but I screwed up somewhere with the other one so I'm hoping it works out with these 2....

Solid pics man, that shit looks frosssstttty at day 43. Gettin me excited for my lady. And yeah i see those little pink calyxes - lets hope she starts to fill out with even more colors. What are your night temps like? I think one of the reasons I am getting so much color is that I can get my temps down to the low 60's at night, yesterday it even hit 59 Cold temps above 55 dont seem to affect the ladies negatively at all - it just makes em show their true colors. It's either that or I just happened to get a fruity pebbles cut that is doin it's thang....part of me is hoping that as well.

What nutes are you feeding on top of the SS and what issues did you have last run? I'll try my best to help...

Cann said:

Solid pics man, that shit looks frosssstttty at day 43. Gettin me excited for my lady. And yeah i see those little pink calyxes - lets hope she starts to fill out with even more colors. What are your night temps like? I think one of the reasons I am getting so much color is that I can get my temps down to the low 60's at night, yesterday it even hit 59 Cold temps above 55 dont seem to affect the ladies negatively at all - it just makes em show their true colors. It's either that or I just happened to get a fruity pebbles cut that is doin it's thang....part of me is hoping that as well.

What nutes are you feeding on top of the SS and what issues did you have last run? I'll try my best to help...

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That one that hermed on me was with this run but it happened right at week 4 on the nose and I'm scared of hermies that have JTR for the daddy because they've fucked my garden up pollinating the whole thing before... that bastard throws some potent skeet..... But that aos was with this current run and was the same age as the 45 day old AOS I posted above..... The only thing I gave them aside from SS in a 5 gallon pot top dressed once is compost teas which was applied to all of them... Teas, and a few other times in between teas I gave them ca mg and molasses..... thats it. Other than that and what went into my teas, no nutrients were given to them other than whats in the SS.. so I'm thinking the ones that hermed on me were just the ones that were gonna anyway and I just brought it out by pushing them a bit too much with the teas even though I dont think I really did.... I never got any real nasty burning except on a few that just had burnt tips.... other than that I got a little funkiness when they first hit the SS, which was either exactly that or a PH issue which straightened out after a few waterings/tea applications and that happened when they were in veg..... At least I know the ones I have left can take some abuse.... This run is only to find a couple keepers and get a perpetual up and running.. so if they cant take some abuse they probably shouldnt be in my garden and thats basically why I'm doing it this way and offing anything that doesnt hold up...

However, it really sucks to loose a plant on a run where I have literally no meds on hand at the moment so all of it is "needed"... Actually that AOS that I culled was gonna be the best yielding plant of the whole run by the way it looked.. But I lost that one which was the pebbles cut of aos I believe, it really wasnt jtr or bcs dom I'm thinking it was the "mix"... but that one and a cheese quake which was also looking like a heavy yielder along with one of my spacedawgs hermed but instead if chopping like the aos and cq it I kept it and have been plucking the nanners as they come and keep it in the corner of the tent surrounded by DP blueberry clones hoping if it does let off any pollen it gets on those....

As far as temps they are pretty steady, usually ranging between 67-75 or so depending on how cold it is outside the tent (its in a temporarily unheated space at the moment)... A few times I've kicked the plug out on the heaters but thats only happened a couple times but the last time it got down to about 59 before I figured out what happened... I can get the temps down into the low 50's if I really wanted which I wouldnt mind doing to bring a little color out of some of them but I have 2 stages of girls flowering at the moment in the same space, 1 set at 45 or so days and the other right around 20-21 and I'd rather not expose the earlier bunch to the cold if I dont have to.. I wanna try to get those colors out of my girls by running steady temps if I can... Probably towards the last week or so I'll drop the temps down for a few days and see if I can get a little but I'd rather just let em ride as steady as possible. I dont think it will affect them negatively aside from slowing them down a little, something I cant really afford at the moment.. I've had my grow up and running since early august without a harvest so I cant afford anything thats gonna slow them down at all..

But I have 6 of that aos and 6 of a querkle dom. cheese quake cloned and potted for my next round just vegging but they've got awhile to go, then I have a spacedawg clone (not the one that hermed) mainlining.... I have the mains just about out to the outside of the tomato ring and all I have to do now is continue to veg her and prune when necessary... all the hard work is done. About a month or so I think and that girl will be ready for 12/12.... The AOS clones (JTR dom/45 day old) I started to shape for mainlining... That is going to be a nice yield when those one gets into the flower tent...


A few of my querkle dom cheese quake that I've chosen to run next round as long as I dont get anymore surprises between now and the end....





Edit: ..... damn... sorry for the essay in your thread dude...

Whitey - Don't worry bout the essay at least you're here reading my essays haha. It's funny you mentioned herms cause I just found 4 out of my 20 ladies poppin nuts (funny thats its 420, but very not funny at the same time ). Honestly, I was expecting a few herms with TGA gear - it seems they have a decent percentage of herms but the keepers are so freaking dank that its worth the hassle of weeding out the herman genetics! Just glad I found them early - but I've been watchin like a hawk. Been plucking a few green bananas, but I decided since I have the space to quarantine all 4 in another room. So today I moved the 4 hermans into a 4x4x7 tent under a single 600hps, and they're damn happy about it, and I can sleep at night knowing that my crop will still be sensi. How do you go about plucking the nanners? And do you wait for em to mature a little bit and yellow, or do you pluck em when they're green? I'm probably just going to keep plucking these unless they keep popping so many nuts that I can't keep up. I would still prefer no pollen to be released because I am frequently going between the two rooms and I know how persistant pollen can be.

Those pics are looking damn nice! I have a few plants mainlining as we speak and I am pumped to see how they produce. As far as the temps go - you're definitely fine keeping them steady - my purple phenos started to turn before it even got cold - and I never really try to bring my temps down they just naturally go to about 60 at night, which the ladies don't seem to mind at all. But the purples started turning after about 15 days of flower and it hadnt even gone below 65, so its definitely all in the genetics. I'll be watching your grow, getting pumped for my cheese quake already - wish it looked as good as yours...

I hear ya about herman... that shit sucks but I really dont think its only TGA, I think its part of the selection process and some lines are gonna have it happen more than others until you figure out all the little feeding quirks and sometimes that doesnt happen, I definitely didnt keep any of the clones that the mothers that are flowering at this point.. I'm scared to death of JTR herms, them bitches can shoot some pollen... which is why I chucked the fruity pebbs (I'm pretty sure thats what it was...) so quickly.. As soon as I saw nanners I chopped it up and got rid of it.. I really wanted to keep it because it was really a gorgeous plant but I couldnt chance it. I had 3 out of the 9 females herm on me... but like I said I think its part of the selection process... However, I'm super excited about the last AOS I have coming along, its BCS dom and its pinkish/purple so its looking good so far. This one and the one I chopped both started showing pink/purple right between weeks 2 and 3, basically as soon as bud started growing it was pink so I got the phenos I want.. Now my only worry is if I fed them properly, I did about 50% in a 5 gallon pot but they were vegged under T8's for half the time and under 1000's the other half and I top dressed as they went into bloom, not a ton but some.... So far it looks like its gonna work out, the ones that are at week 7 now are starting to fade but not as much as I'd like but I'm almost positive they are all gonna go longer than 8 weeks so hopefully they burn it up, some look like they're gonna go a lot longer but whatever... I'm in a rush, but not enough to take them early...

As far as the nanners, I pluck them as soon as I find them, if I cant get it all the way out I'll snip the whole calyx or little piece of bud off... I chopped up one of the cheese quakes because I thought I saw sacs but I didnt even wanna chance it if they were or werent but it had bananas so it went. Of the 3 hermans I only kept the one spacedawg.... I check that and all the others every day, I have a big rubbermade container I put each plant on and I go through it with my flashlight app, which works awesome to find them by the way but any LED flashlight works awesome..

Yeah definitely 4 outta 20 aint cool... I was bummed to have 3 out of 9 go bad but it happens man... As you said the keepers are worth the extra attention you have to pay to them, once you get through that and get something to work with its all good, so far I'm happy with the JTR dom AOS, and the querkle dom cheese quake, I'm honestly happy with all of them excluding the hermans... they are all keepers at this point honestly... They all are resin covered monsters.... the spacedawgs dont look like the biggest yielders but I think the one I kept is gonna be really good....I hope so anyhow.....

that seems to be the thing about TGA, if its a female and doesn't herm, 90% of the time its a keeper, and 30% of the time its the dankest most crystal coated beauty you have ever seen - totally worth popping however many seeds it took to find that one ridiculous pheno.

I wouldn't worry if they are just starting to fade at week 7, you should se mine lol they're fading and its their last day of week 4...definitely hungry, but they're still gonna yield decently. I was a dumbass and didn't supplement cal/mg with my RO water for the 2 months they were vegging...also i basically just fed them water while they were vegging for that long, maybe a tiny amount of Roots Buddha Grow, but nothing noticeable really. Even though they got transplanted into 4.6gal airpots right before flower, they used up the nutes in that soil faster than I could feed them I think...either that or my pH is off but from all my readings I don't think that could be an issue with my living soil...also my runoff is between 6 and 6.4 so thats fine even if pH were to be a concern. I'm getting more turned off by bottled nutes and once my batch of supersoil is done cooking I will hopefully be able to transition off of the bottled shit (literally!) altogether. I have enough bottled nutes to last me another cycle though, so I will probably run a side by side comparison of my altered supersoil mix and the whole Aurora Line (Roots Soil, Buddha Grow/Bloom, Trinity, etc.). Pretty excited to see how that turns out.

Speaking of my altered supersoil mix - here it is. Someone who has done this before it would be great if you could chip in - kushking where you at??? - I am worried I might have a bit too much mg in my mix compared to the calcium...heard the ratio is supposed to be about 5 : 1 Ca:Mg, mine seems to be about 3.5 : 1. going to pick up some crab meal today but then again I don't want to add it if it will make the soil proportionally too much Ca. Is this a concern with my recipe??? Some other recipes I have read seem to call for much more dolomite for example, but then again I have other supplements with high Ca to compensate for that...okay enough concerned babbling here is the recipe:


10 bags Roots soil (15 cu. ft)

40lbs EWC (roughly 1 cu. ft)

5lbs blood meal 12-0-0
3.5lbs guano 0-9-0
5lbs fish bone meal 3-18-0
1.5lbs alfalfa meal 2-1-2
2.5lbs kelp meal 0-001.5
4 cups neem seed meal 4-.5-.5
3/4 cup langbeinite 0-0-22 (also has epsomite - MgSO4·7H2O which provides 22% S and 10% Mg)
4 cups glacial rock dust 0-0-0 but contains 1.4% Ca, .5% Mg, 4% Fe, .09% Mn, and 1.2% Na (sodium??? isnt this bad? but I've read recipes with 4 cups of rock dust for each cuft of soil...)
1/2 cup azomite 0-0-.2 with 1.8% Ca, .1% Cl, .1% Na
1/2 cup Roots Elemental .25-.01-1 with 20% Ca, 2% Mg, 1% S, and .2% Fe
1 cup dolomite lime 0-0-0 but 22% Ca, 11% Mg
1/2 cup gypsum 0-0-0 but 20% Ca, 16% S (can you have too much S? getting a bit worried about that one as well...)
3/4 cup epsom salt 0-0-0 composed 100% of MgSO4·7H20, so 22% S, 11% Mg (wish I could've left this out altogether but its one of the first things I added befor I knew about langbeinite etc)
4 cups diatomaceous earth 0-0-0 but has good long term silicon
4 cups organic basmati rice (not sure of NPK but is good food for fungi and provides silica as well)
3 tbs humic acid powder

So what do you guys think....did I overdo it with the Mg, or the S? Can I safely add a cup or two of crab meal? 2-3-0 and has something like 30% Ca. Would be great to know if I did cause I can always cut the mix with more soil and add more amendments of other sorts to try and balance things out.

if only I could just follow the basic recipe but there are too many good amendments out there! And diversity seems to be the key to a good soil...especially if it is going to be inevitably recycled...

Ace of Spades #2 - Day 36

Lookin frosty



ill be back later for more

I'm actually worried that they arent faded enough.. They're getting there though...

Heres a few of of the aos' from yesterday...

#1 day 50




#3 day 25


For whatever reason it wont let me upload the pics of 3 into the post but they're the ones at the bottom attached....

Time for an update later. Ladies are fading fast and its only day 41...buds still looking awesome though so I'm just gonna let it play out (not much else I can do lol). I'll be back with a ton of pics, etc, just gotta take the time to type it all up.

whitey - those are looking great, i know what you mean about the fade, those are green!!! give it time though...at least they aren't all yellow like mine!

Wow Nice thread dude! great genetics to choose from bet your looking forward to running clones next run?

Alright so it's been a while since I last updated, been real busy with the holidays and such. About two weeks ago I started to see male flowers in some of the phenos...I was expecting this given TGA's infamy for hermies and the general stress I have put on these ladies over their lives, and I don't mind sorting through the herms to find the keepers. A pain in the ass, but totally worth it for the dank keeper mommas. Check out the pictures - In a few I took the time to circle the nuts in red for y'all to see, others you just have to have a keen eye. Been spending hours in there checking over every inch of every plant...painstaking tedious work but better than a seeded crop!



Regardless, I decided a quarantine was in order to avoid potential contamination. I took out the 5 offenders (JTR #2, Agent Orange #1, Jillybean #1, The Flav #4, and Kaboom #2) and moved them into the veg room. Since I only had one tent in the veg room I had to switch my vegging ladies with the hermies to provide a light-proof home. I also switched out the t5s for a 600 HPS I had lying around...

A few hours later and the hermies are happy in their new home, ducting keeps a pretty good negative pressure to avoid pollen backflow - also I am planning on plucking all the nanners before they become viable anyway...



The last two pictures are of Jillybean - wish this one could go for a few more weeks to see those colas fill out but I might have to cut her early. Glad I tied her down though - turns out a lot of my herms are the plants I had to tie down during stretch - really shows their male genetics coming through.

Besides the hermi issue everything is going well. Been up to a few projects lately. First is the creation of a vermicomposting bin (two actually) to process all my food waste into amazing worm castings. I took a few rubbermaid tubs, drilled holes in the appropriate spots, filled them with old shredded newspaper, compost, manure, pumice, and rice hulls - and added a few thousand worms. After a few days I fed them some old kitchen scraps along with oyster shells, greensand, glacial rock dust, neem meal, etc. to get things going and improve the quality of my castings.


photos of my slimy new friends

My next project was to mix up a bunch of soils. I've been reading a lot about soil mixes and decided to run a side by side experiment. I am going to compare 4 mixes - Subs Supersoil, Lumperdawgz's simple mix, An adjusted version of a mix RRog suggested to me, and a mix of my own. The recipes are as follows:


Lumper's Simple Mix:

Base Soil: .5cuft peat, .25cuft EWC, .25cuft pumice/rice hulls

To each cuft of Base Soil add: 4 cups Glacial rock dust, 1/2 cup kelp meal, 1/2 cup crab meal, 1/2 cup neem meal

I decided to make 2 batches of this - one with rice hulls for aeration and the other with pumice. We will see how that goes. I hope the rice hulls work just as well as pumice because they are much cheaper...

Subs Supersoil:

I made a 3cuft batch of this - don't think I need to post the recipe because it is so easy to find, but I followed it 100%, the only addition was a cup of neem meal for PM and insect control (don't think this will detract from the experiment at all)

RRog's Mix:

5 cuft peat
5 cuft pumice/rice hulls
5 cuft humus (EWC/compost)

7.5 cups diatomaceous earth
7.5 cups Espoma starter 4-3-3
15 cups charcoal
7.5 cups epsom salts
60 cups rock dust
7.5 cups neem seed meal
15 cups crab shell
30 cups kelp meal
30 cups fish meal
30 cups fish bone meal
15 cups langbeinite (sul-po-mag)
7.5 cups alfalfa meal

I made a scaled version of this, minus a few ingredients I didn't have (fish meal, espoma starter, diatomaceous earth, charcoal). Hoping to add charcoal in a week or two when I go to remix...

My soil mix

This started as subs supersoil and then I just kept adding. Here is where it stands:

15 cuft Roots 707
50 lbs EWC
5 lbs blood meal 12-0-0
3.5 lbs guano 0-9-0
5 lbs fish bone meal 3-18-0
1.5lbs alfalfa meal
2.5lbs kelp meal
4 cups neem seed meal
3/4 cup langbeinite
4 cups glacial rock dust
1/2 cup azomite
1/2 cup roots elemental
1 cup dolomite lime
1/2 cup gypsum
3/4 cup epsom salt
4 cups diatomaceous earth
4 cups basmati rice
2 cups oyster shells
2 cups crab meal
3 TBS humic acid

To all these mixed I added mycorrhizae of course, and I will water them with an AACT in a few days. I am planning on letting some of the mixes "cook" in trashcans, while others "cook" in pots - this will be somewhat of an added element to the experiment - seeing the efficacy of "no-till" practices vs. mixing the soils immediately before planting. Excited for a month from now when I can start to see how these soils work! Excited to stop using my bottled nutes...


here are some pics from the process:


bought an extra air pump for my AACT setup - trying to get as much aeration in that bucket as possible! Does anyone else have a perpetual compost tea brewing? Might have to start a thread about the quality of tea produced by this method as I am unsure if it is up to par. Beats the hell out of cleaning all that equipment every few days though...

Here's a picture of the chlorosis I am having on the ladies. Some of the leaves are nice and green but a good portion of them are yellowing (more than should be at day 40). I have been feeding Cal/Mg along with N, but they don't necessarily seem to be getting any better. The yellowing did slow down after a heavy feeding, and then after a feeding with just water and molasses they started to yellow again, so I think they are just HUNGRY. Fed with a thick tea/nutrient solution yesterday so I am hoping that helps things along.


Anyway, here are pictures from last week:





And check this out:



Gotta love TGA for some crazy mutant resinous ladies

Xmas day photo shoot



holding a battery for size comparison

"Dont panic, it organic" I still wear gloves tho lol. What are you measuring your base with? I would like to figure out how much cubic feet of recycled soil I got but I don't know how to.

So after a week or so of having the herms occupying my veg tent, I decided to buy myself an xmas gift and get another tent. Found a cheap 4x8x7 on craigslist for cheap, got it and when i set it up it was actually 5x9x7! as well as being dirty as shit and having a few ripped seams and some peeling mylar...but its a veg tent so thats no biggie. Better than dropping 400+ for a decent 4x8 tent, and it's a Sun Hut so its much better than something I could've got new off amazon for a similar price ($200 range). Set it up in my living room and cleaned every last bit of it, inside and out with vinegar. Then I sprayed the interior down with a heavy concentration of neem oil. After the neem dried I took the tent down, brought it inside the veg room, and spent a few hours moving everything around and puzzle piecing tents, ducting, and gear into a somewhat ordered setup. Eventually I got it all sorted (fits perfectly!) hung up my t5s (two 4' 8 bulb fixtures) and put the ladies underneath. There still isnt room to fit my moms comfortably in the tent (they are getting biggg) so they are still in the side closet.

Here is a shot of the ladies enjoying their new home:
Here are my attempts at mainlines so far
Hermies in the 5x5 tent in the veg room


Flowering ladies are fading fast, I think I need to feed more N? Either way the buds are looking great. Plushberry #1 and Ace of Spades #1 are still my favorite, Plush #1 has throw two nanners so far out of the top of the cola - I'm hoping she stays low key like this or else I'll have to get rid of her as a keeper....shes just so damn pretty though! The temps have been getting a little too low in the room (59) so I am trying to find a way to heat it up without buying a heater...so far I am just running the dehumidifier at night and that seems to put off enough ambient heat to keep it above 60. Is 59 too low if it gets around 78 or 80 during the day cycle? The ladies sure seem to be loving it...and the colors are popping...

Day 41

Qush #1 (getting purple)
Plushberry #1 Plushberry #2

Ace of Spades #2 Ace of Spades #3(comparison shot to a few days ago)

The Flav (dont remember which one)you can see how much it has faded in the last few days since I watered with straight water...
Ace of Spades #1

Pics of the ladies under 6400k t5's in the flower room closet. Currently Day 28. I am loving how my Plush #1 pheno is doing compared to the other cuts (GDP, Lavender, MILF, and Vortex brought down here from a pacific northwest clinic). Check out how much more filled out the Plush is - also the purple coloring which appeared after 15 days of 12/12....yet another reason I am praying the nanners dont keep coming in my original lady...

GDP vs. Plush
Plush #1
vs. Lavender



K I think thats it for now...time for sleep. Cant wait for this crop...literally counting the days.

w89 said:

Wow Nice thread dude! great genetics to choose from bet your looking forward to running clones next run?

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Funny you ask - I'm really excited to not have to wait for the pain and time of sexing seeds and taking cuts, etc. But at the same time I am always looking for new genetics. Just swung by L.A. yesterday and picked up a 5 pack of TGA Qrazy Train beans: genetics are Querkle x (Trainwreck x Trinity) - put em in a wet paper towel last night, they are wrapped up in a sweatshirt in the veg room right now where the temps are around 70-75. I put them on top of the HPS for about half an hour, this allowed the bag to get up around 90 or 100 degrees which I hope will stimulate them to get going. I'll open the bag in 24 hours and see if they're cracking at all...

Here they are in all their glory...


I'll be running clones for the next month or two, but I'm still really excited to see what these beans can produce. I'm looking for the Querkle dom pheno...here is a picture from one of Sub's old posts.

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Worth the $50 for the off chance that I end up with that glorious pheno....



Alright...now time for sleep..

SpliffAndMyLady said:

"Dont panic, it organic" I still wear gloves tho lol. What are you measuring your base with? I would like to figure out how much cubic feet of recycled soil I got but I don't know how to.

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I eyeball it - I have a tub which I know holds around 2.5 cuft. Figured this out by purchasing a 3 cuft bag of soil and pouring it into the tub...pretty simple. If you have really large amounts then it becomes difficult, but if you are working with numbers around 15 cuft then its pretty easy to estimate.

Hope that helps

Thanks for answering before you got off, I guess i'll firgure something out.