Organic Super Soilmix only water for next grow!

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mjauo

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I´ve read alot about organic growing. Bumped into super soil growing and I have a few questions.

When you say 1 bag of "xxxx" soil do you mean 50 litre bags?

Ok now to the ingredients-part.

These are the items that are available for me:

Gold Label Worm castings
Gold Label Bat Guano
Bone Meal
Blood Meal
Kelp Meal
Epsom Salts
Dolomite

Can probably order
Azomite and Humic Acid from abroad.

My grow tent is a dark room DR60 II and I´m using 400w bulb. I will be having 3-4 plants growing in there.
Will be using 15 litre/4 gallon pots so I will mix the amendments with 1 big bag/50 litres of soil.

I do not know how much of the amendments I should add and also if I am missing any important ingredient?
 
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mjauo

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I think what I am trying to ask is what NPK ratio should I use? And also what NPK to Soil ratio should I use?
 
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mjauo

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Here is the info I have now, the NPK values are according to the products that I have looked up, if not stated otherwise:

Uncle Ben suggests a NPK ratio of 3-1-2 and I am going for it. I do not know however how much NPK to use per amount of soil.
How do I calculate that?

Giva Blood Meal 14-0-0
Giva Bone Meal 7-3.5-0
Gold Label Bat Guano: 0-10-0
Gold Label Black Worm Castings: 1-0-0
Kelp Meal: ?-?-? (No product-specific NPK value)
Alfalfa Meal: ?-?-? (No product-specific NPK value)
Dolomite Lime
Epsom Salt

What are the Kelp Meal and Alfalfa Meal NPK levels? If they are not high in K I would
have to find something that contains it because as it seems now I do not have anything
for the K.

How much Dolomite Lime and how much epsom salt?

These I am going to order from abroad since they are not available where I live, are there any subtitutes for these that
I might find closer to me?
Humic Acid
Azomite

How much Humic acid and how much azomite?

Tips and tricks are gladly welcome.
 
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mjauo

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Yes I have checked it, that was how I started researching on organic growing.. My humble and newbie opinion is this: By looking at subcools recipe it seems he does not
have amendments containing Potassium(K). How to do with that? Also I would like to use some Kelp in my mix.
 
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mjauo

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This is what I have put together now:

50l Gold Label Specialmix Soil
2.5kg Gold Label Black Earth Worm Castings 1-0-0
325g Giva Bone Meal: 7-3.5-0
325g Giva Blood Meal: 14-0-0
700g Gold label Bat Guano: 0-10-0
45g Potassium Sulfate 0-0-50

115g Azomite
55g Endo Mycorrhizal fungi

60g of Kelp Meal 1-0-2
40g Dolomite
30g alfalfa meal 2-1-2

12g Humic Acid powder
5g Epsom salt

Comments?
 
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mjauo

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NickNasty said:
Greensand is a good substitute for Azomite also look into Gaia Green Glacial Rock Dust.
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Looked them up, they seem even more out of reach than Azomite hehe. I will be ordering Azomite, Humic Acid and Potassium Sulfate from
an ebay vendor abroad.
 
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mjauo

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A modified modified subcool supersoil:
First modified by sidewing, modified again by me;

So I have ordered some amendments and I am going to try a modification of subcools super soil but I need
some advice hope you anyone can help.

This is what it will contain, I have modified the numbers, one large bag for you is approximately 43 litres, and I will mix this in a 50 litre soil. I will place a comment on each amendment on midifications and/or questions.

50 litres of GOld Label specialmix soil

2.5kg Earth Worm Castings 1-0-0 I do not have acess to cheap worm castings so 2.5kg will have to do, (but I will
compensate for this with more humic acid and fulvic acid?)

325g Giva Bone Meal: 7-3.5-0 No modification
325g Giva Blood Meal: 14-0-0 No modifiation
700g Gold label Bat Guano: 0-10-0 Since your fishbone meal contains approx 12% more P I will add twice the
amount of Bat Guano to compensate 10% of the "missing" P.
45g Potassium Sulfate 0-0-50 No modification

----115g Azomite No modification
I do not have any acess to:
200g xtreme mycorrhizal granules
Can I compensate for this by adding:
Endo Mycorrhizal fungi Powdered? And if so, how much should I have in?

I also do not have acess to:
200g ancient forest alaska humus (general organics)

Can I compensate for this by adding:
More than 12g Humic Acid powder? If so how much?
And also, how much more of Humic Acid and Fulvic Acid should I have in the mix
to compensate for the 2.4kg of worm castings ?

60g of Kelp Meal 1-0-2 No modification
40g Dolomite No modification
30g alfalfa meal 2-1-2 No modification

5g Epsom salt No modification

I also have som Silica Powder, how much of this should I use in the mix?
 
NickNasty

NickNasty

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You can substitute the earthworm castings for good compost. You can also make your own earthworm castings/compost fairly easily. I think you are over thinking things too much. I have been using the same soil since 2009 here is the recipe I use when I re-amend and I have great results.
Per 25-30 Gallons
1 cup blood meal
1 cup alfalfa meal
1 cup bone meal
1 cup rock phosphate
1 cup kelp meal
1 cup green sand
1 cup dolomite lime
1 cup diatomaceous earth
1/2 bag good compost
1 cup mexican bat guano in veg
1 cup indonesian bat guano in flower
Let sit for 2-4 weeks before using to let it break down
If I see anything lacking throughout the grow I add it to my compost tea
If I want to try something new in my recipe like mycos I do but for the most part the mix stays the same.
Here is a good read for you
http://www.fathergrowsbest.net/2011/01/organic-gold-iii-soil-heresy-by-3lb.html
The only thing I do differently then I did when I started my soil in 2009 is add Guano to my mix and start using compost tea and sometimes I add azomite instead of greensand and sometimes I add Mycorrhizal fungi
 
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mjauo

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NickNasty said:
You can substitute the earthworm castings for good compost. You can also make your own earthworm castings/compost fairly easily. I think you are over thinking things too much. I have been using the same soil since 2009 here is the recipe I use when I re-amend and I have great results.
Per 25-30 Gallons
1 cup blood meal
1 cup alfalfa meal
1 cup bone meal
1 cup rock phosphate
1 cup kelp meal
1 cup green sand
1 cup dolomite lime
1 cup diatomaceous earth
1/2 bag good compost
1 cup mexican bat guano in veg
1 cup indonesian bat guano in flower
Let sit for 2-4 weeks before using to let it break down
If I see anything lacking throughout the grow I add it to my compost tea
If I want to try something new in my recipe like mycos I do but for the most part the mix stays the same.
Here is a good read for you
http://www.fathergrowsbest.net/2011/01/organic-gold-iii-soil-heresy-by-3lb.html
The only thing I do differently then I did when I started my soil in 2009 is add Guano to my mix and start using compost tea and sometimes I add azomite instead of greensand and sometimes I add Mycorrhizal fungi
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Ok I see, is there any difference in granular vs powder products? For example potassium sulfate, should I order powder or granular?
 
NickNasty

NickNasty

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Granular is usually slower release, powders usually will break down faster. I have not used potassium sulfate before but looking at its npk ratio I would say you would want that to release slowly so granular would be what I would try if I were to try it.
 
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mjauo

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I have some more questions (surprise), regarding granular vs powder:

Silica, powder or granular to prefer?
Humic Acid, powder or granular?
Dolomite Lime, granular or powder?

 
NickNasty

NickNasty

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Azomite is 65% silica and I prefer the powder, Humic will break up if its granular into powder anyways so its not so important, and I prefer powder with lime but some prefer granular but it doesnt break down much if granular.
 
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mjauo

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NickNasty said:
Azomite is 65% silica and I prefer the powder, Humic will break up if its granular into powder anyways so its not so important, and I prefer powder with lime but some prefer granular but it doesnt break down much if granular.
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Ok I did not know that Azomite is 65% silica, would not order it separately if I knew. I have all the information I need now and a order is made.

I will be updating on how things go and presumably start a new grow journal when I go organic. Much thanks to everyone that helps out.
 
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