Organic soil. LED. Leaves curling

Running a few hundred gallons of organic soil. Basically coots mix.
5th or 6th cycle all without issues

Creature Panic photoperiod around 5 or 6 weeks veg.

60 degree night. 72-78 degree day. 600watts Samsung led. 65 rh. Two oscillating fans. 8in exhaust. Day temps are usually higher but my heater is down for a few days but other two plants in same bed are fine.

Have some leaves beginning to act weird. Thought at first I over watered so let it sit till definitely dry and after watering havent seen forward progress.
Two to three weeks ago I top dressed with bio live, bio fish, and bat guano 7-3-1.

I was battling small larvae that were eating the leaves as seedlings. Was treating with neem oil as a spray. Perhaps they're eating the roots but I have trouble believing they'd eat enough to cause harm.

Maybe the lights are too bright? Tuned to 580watts at 40inches

Just looking to bounce ideas around. Im not a newbie grower I have a good sense about me.

Root damage from insects can be catastrophic. If you think theres even a chance they might be damaging the root zone you should deal with them as soon as possible or the plants could get worse.

Masterdank420 said:

Root damage from insects can be catastrophic. If you think theres even a chance they might be damaging the root zone you should deal with them as soon as possible or the plants could get worse.

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Aside from watering in neem oil id be at a loss to combat inside the soil. However my cover crops seem to be growing fine. If that holds any bearing I know not. I think my pest were mostly leaf dwelling pest. But i don't have anything to support that.

nights are too cold for them heat that room and even the day temps are on the colder side i’d try to reach for steady 80 or so during lights on and at least 74-75 at night.

ExoticKangaroo said:

Aside from watering in neem oil id be at a loss to combat inside the soil. However my cover crops seem to be growing fine. If that holds any bearing I know not. I think my pest were mostly leaf dwelling pest. But i don't have anything to support that.

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Im not sure, It depends on the cover crop. Maybe the roots from the cannabis plants would be more preferable to the little pests. Depends on what cover crops your using and what kind of properties they have. I've never had to use neem oil so im not sure how it works, if you water that in the soil will it keep the beneficials intact?
Edit: maybe nematodes could help you combat the soil dwelling pests.

ExoticKangaroo said:

Running a few hundred gallons of organic soil. Basically coots mix.
5th or 6th cycle all without issues

Creature Panic photoperiod around 5 or 6 weeks veg.

60 degree night. 72-78 degree day. 600watts Samsung led. 65 rh. Two oscillating fans. 8in exhaust. Day temps are usually higher but my heater is down for a few days but other two plants in same bed are fine.

Have some leaves beginning to act weird. Thought at first I over watered so let it sit till definitely dry and after watering havent seen forward progress.
Two to three weeks ago I top dressed with bio live, bio fish, and bat guano 7-3-1.

I was battling small larvae that were eating the leaves as seedlings. Was treating with neem oil as a spray. Perhaps they're eating the roots but I have trouble believing they'd eat enough to cause harm.

Maybe the lights are too bright? Tuned to 580watts at 40inches

Just looking to bounce ideas around. Im not a newbie grower I have a good sense about me.
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coot's from Build-a-Soil ? sorry to heard abouth you insect issue --last grow one bajg had "gants" in it (gants" lastwed the whole grow , they are a F$%^&* issue, the only way I got rid if them was to use Fly Pull strips -hope this helps - have names of some products that might help' let me know

harris hawk said:

coot's from Build-a-Soil ? sorry to heard abouth you insect issue --last grow one bajg had "gants" in it (gants" lastwed the whole grow , they are a F$%^&* issue, the only way I got rid if them was to use Fly Pull strips -hope this helps - have names of some products that might help' let me know

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I hate gnats, I use diatomaceous earth to kill those buggers.

harris hawk said:

coot's from Build-a-Soil ? sorry to heard abouth you insect issue --last grow one bajg had "gants" in it (gants" lastwed the whole grow , they are a F$%^&* issue, the only way I got rid if them was to use Fly Pull strips -hope this helps - have names of some products that might help' let me know

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No I mix all my own soil and source my own amendments most from Down to Earth.

The wrinkles are from over watering

Gemtree said:

The wrinkles are from over watering

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Kinda where I was leaning as well. Thanks for the feedback

I would also say overwatering and also cool temps are to blame. Warm them up and they'll start drinking more too, you'll see a dramatic change in new growth.

Rurumo said:

I would also say overwatering and also cool temps are to blame. Warm them up and they'll start drinking more too, you'll see a dramatic change in new growth.

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Can only do what I can with short supplies at the moment. Heater is on a truck somewhere lol. Getting anything is proving more and more impossible lately.

ExoticKangaroo said:

Aside from watering in neem oil id be at a loss to combat inside the soil. However my cover crops seem to be growing fine. If that holds any bearing I know not. I think my pest were mostly leaf dwelling pest. But i don't have anything to support that.

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Don't water in need oil, only neam cake can go into the soil. Oil will fuck with the roots and their ability to absorb 02.

For fungus gnats you have to combat them with a double fist.
1. Yellow sticky cards with spiked holders. Stick these in the substrate, they will catch tons of flying adults. Helps to control breeding.

2. Hang fly tape strip from the ceiling. Helps catch adults and controls breeding. TIP* Turn the circulation fans up 1 level to help push the airborne insect into the fly tape.

3. GET mosquito dunks. Granules or pucks. Granules in the soil, so I'd lightly scratch them in. And pucks for the water. Draw your water in advance. Throw 1 puck into a 5 - 25 gallon water res, water in your granules with this and every time you need to hydrate the garden. Always keep 1 puck floating in the water res. The bacteria is known as bacillius thungernis Israeli or (BTi). The larva in the soil that are chomping on you plants roots will consume the bacteria. When they do, it forms a crystal inside the worm and kills it. Like a parasite. I highly recommend this approach as I also have indoor raised beds and it's the only thing that completely killed all gnats in my substrate and worm farms too.

I copied and pasted this info on the bacterium. >>>

Bacillus thuringiensis (Bt) is a species of bacteria that lives in soil. It makes proteins that are toxic to some insects when eaten, but not others. The proteins are not toxic to humans because, like all mammals, we cannot activate them. Bt is not toxic to non-target wildlife.Feb 12, 2015

This is what it looks like.

I would say a bit to much water in conjunction with those lights out temps of 60f. The roots aren’t doing much at 60f. I myself hate a cold bath they do too. Good luck