Organic Growing Made Easy & Fox Farms Ocean Forest!

hyroot

hyroot

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madamesalacious said:
hey! if you need granite dust in the future try calling a company that carves gravestones. i got mine for free. they were practically begging me to take it off their hands....so the best things in life AND death are free! ;
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Thats kind of irie / creepy.
 
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c4ulater

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Man I think my current crop is garbage! Going to let the trichomes get a little more amber.. But I tried to dry out one nug and it has ; no smell and roasts like ass
 
bigdaddycatfish4

bigdaddycatfish4

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3gal ffof
1gal composted leaf humus
1gal mushroom soil
1/4 cup bat shit from the neighbors house (they have thousands of bats in their attic)
1/2 cup dolomite lime
2 handfull's of seaweed / kelp dried from the river by my house
mix and let sit to compost for about 2 months. then it kicks serious ass
 
Trousers

Trousers

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c4ulater said:
Man I think my current crop is garbage! Going to let the trichomes get a little more amber.. But I tried to dry out one nug and it has ; no smell and roasts like ass
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Amber means thc has degraded into CBN. CBN is not desirable.
 
Shwagbag

Shwagbag

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Trousers said:
Amber means thc has degraded into CBN. CBN is not desirable.
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This is not necessarily true.

From what I've read CBN can be valuable for situational medicinal strains. CBN is actually psychoactive like THC, just to a much lesser degree. CBN has been documented to reduce anxiety levels from cannabanoid use, and lower intensity of intoxication. It has also been linked to drowsiness and promoting uninterrupted sleep. This can be very valuable for medicinal uses and should not be overlooked.

Levels of THC, CBD and CBN are determined by genetics as well as cultivation type, duration and drying/curing methods. I have enough strains to harvest consistently with little to no amber and still have medicine to suit me for all of my desired effects because of differences in genetic traits, but a person with few strains could adjust their harvest window to find where their fruits provide their desired effects. When I want to be chatty and have a social time I reach for super lemon haze. When I want to get round house kicked to the face I reach for sugar punch. When I need help sleeping I go for AK47 or Jackberry. A person with only one strain could potentially get all of these effects by adjusting their harvest window to early, middle and late. Food for thought.

c4ulater, don't be discouraged by the smell and flavor of a "speed dried" fruit that has not been cured. An appropriate cure for as little as one to three weeks will add ALOT of consistency, flavor and aroma to your harvest. Do you have some recent pics?
 
Trousers

Trousers

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Which part was wrong and could you post some links? I'd like to read about it.
Why would you want your THC to be reduced by 90%?

CBN is THC rotting. I don't eat rotten food, why smoke rotten weed?

Cannabinol or (CBN) is an oxidative degradation product of THC. It may result from improper storage or curing and extensive processing, such as when making concentrates. It is usually formed when THC is exposed to UV light and oxygen over time.

  • CBN has some psychoactive properties, about 10% of the strength of THC.
  • CBN is thought by researchers to enhance the dizziness and disorientation users of cannabis may experience.
  • It may cause feelings of grogginess and has been shown to reduce heart rate.
90% of the time I use marijuana is to get high. The other 10% is because I want to get high and alleviate some sort of pain/illness. Most people do not use marijuana exclusively for medicinal purposes.

To say that you can radically change the way weed gets you high by making the weed rot more is interesting. Personally I do not believe that at all. It would make more sense that genetics and environment dictate the effects.

I guess if you let your THC go completely amber, it would make you a bit more groggy and sick feeling.
 
Shwagbag

Shwagbag

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Trousers said:
Which part was wrong and could you post some links? I'd like to read about it.
Why would you want your THC to be reduced by 90%?

CBN is THC rotting. I don't eat rotten food, why smoke rotten weed?

Cannabinol or (CBN) is an oxidative degradation product of THC. It may result from improper storage or curing and extensive processing, such as when making concentrates. It is usually formed when THC is exposed to UV light and oxygen over time.

  • CBN has some psychoactive properties, about 10% of the strength of THC.
  • CBN is thought by researchers to enhance the dizziness and disorientation users of cannabis may experience.
  • It may cause feelings of grogginess and has been shown to reduce heart rate.
90% of the time I use marijuana is to get high. The other 10% is because I want to get high and alleviate some sort of pain/illness. Most people do not use marijuana exclusively for medicinal purposes.

To say that you can radically change the way weed gets you high by making the weed rot more is interesting. Personally I do not believe that at all. It would make more sense that genetics and environment dictate the effects.

I guess if you let your THC go completely amber, it would make you a bit more groggy and sick feeling.
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No links sorry, just going from memory from various things I've read over the years.

I don't disagree with your comments other than "CBN is not desirable." For some, it may be. I've always thought that generalizing when every grower should harvest their cannabis is counterproductive. Its safe to say that experienced growers prefer to harvest based on their own desires as well as the people or patients they cultivate for. I personally try to get cloudy with no amber, basically on the edge of early. I do exactly what you're suggesting by choosing appropriate strains to produce the desired effect. That said, choosing strains takes time, often years to build a nice selection of cannabis producing situational effects, so timing the window for harvest can definitely help to achieve a variety of desired effects while keeping a legal medical garden. A 24% THC strain that degrades a little is still going to get the user "high" with a little degradation while perhaps bringing other desired effects to the table.

I have caregiver friends that like the narcotic effect from their weed, something that is typically not desirable for me, which you and I probably have in common. They seem to gauge potency by the weed's "crippling" effect, and I've learned that many people share this same ideology, which I disagree with. Basically, some people like the disorienting power of a little CBN, and moreover some medical patients can benefit from it for pain relief, to slow the mind down and encourage relaxation and sleep. I need my mind to stay sharp and always have a long to-do list (mostly use for anxiety and depression), so I prefer to be active. Everyone has different desires so I suggest that everyone try different stages of harvest of new strains to conclude when is best for them. There is no one way as we all know, we all do it differently. I think you understand where I'm coming from.

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c4ulater

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To settle things up! It was garbage ; being it was a hermi. It's okay though! It was my first grow and I'm sure I had a stressful environment for the ladies..

Anyways , new room set up and good to go! Just waiting for the seeds to hatch
 
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Sppoc

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Current grow I filled pot with FFOF and then dug a 3"x3" hole or so then filled it with organic topsoil and planted a germed seed right to the soil.

Did this to avoid burning the little one.
 
Trousers

Trousers

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A couple of my crosses in my first true organic run with the Fox Farms seed to harvest mix:



Superpower x an Indica mutt (possibly Ingrid dominate) on the left
Banana Kush x Blue Dream on the right.

I think they look pretty good.

I'm still getting used to watering. I have been soaking them about every 3 days. I hit them with tea twice.
My cheapo tent finally failed at the corner brackets after 5 years. I bought a new one and gave the old tent to a friend.
They will go into flower as soon as I get my new tent.

I put leftover tea in my veg garden outside and it has exploded. I have grape tomatoes coming out of my ears.
 
Trousers

Trousers

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I had some minor deficiencies that I will blame on using 3 gallon pots.
I may boost the N a bit on the next mix and will be using 5 gallon pots next time.

The low RH and the air pots make the soil dry out pretty quick.
 
captiankush

captiankush

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my latest concoction:

1 bag ffof
1 bag ffhf
2 lbs of bat guano
6 coffee cups of glacial rock dust

Mix well and use immediately.

No nutes during veg, Just PH'd RO

Ive used this for 3 runs and havent had a problem

CK
 
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lightcollection2013

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Hi Im going to be using the General Organic line with The House of gardens Root excellerent and liquid Karma.

12 PLANTS LEGAL LIMIT

For soilless I'm thinking of going with PRO-MIX BX BIOFUNGICIDE+MYCORRHIZAE..

Im wondering if this sound fine for my plants or if anyone has any recommendations.

I wanna do a 10 week veg cycle (I want big Plants.
WATER, FEED, WATER going to WATER, FEED, FEED

SOLO CUPS FOR 2 WEEKS FLORESENT LIGHTING(I got plants in solo cups)

1 GALLON FOR 3WEEKS UNDER A 400 WATT MHPRO-MIX BX BIOFUNGICIDE™+MYCORRHIZAE

BEFORE GOING INTO A 7 GALLON FOR 5 WEEKS UNDER (2) 1000 watt mh.
I wanna line the bottom 2 inches of the the pots with something maybe sterile rocks for aeration open to recommendations.
 
JoeyV

JoeyV

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I've read quite a few times now that FFOF runs out of nutes after a few weeks. Could someone elaborate on this a bit more?

What size container are we talkin about? Indica? Sativas? Is it strain dependent?
 
Shwagbag

Shwagbag

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JoeyV said:
I've read quite a few times now that FFOF runs out of nutes after a few weeks. Could someone elaborate on this a bit more?

What size container are we talkin about? Indica? Sativas? Is it strain dependent?
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Yes it will most likely run out of juice after 3-4 weeks. I used to start light feeding after the 3rd week in the pot. If using organics a top dress feeding could be done earlier. Container size is completely related to the size of the previous container or the size of the plant. From 1 gallon to 4-5 gallon probably 3 weeks. If you go from a 1 gallon to an 8 gallon, you might get an extra week IMO.

The best thing you can do is watch the plant and let it tell you when it needs extra food. When it asks for it, feed it.
 
KeepItGrowing317

KeepItGrowing317

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Just to chime in.. I'm on my second grow now with FFOF soil and my first plants were flowered in 3 gal pots and had yellow/brown spots half way thru flower that I just could not figure out. My plants did fine on just water until they were chopped. But I never found a solution. I'm in week 5-6 of flower on my second run this time in 5 gal pots and man my ladies looked sooooo good up until now, that yellowing with brown spots is back. Thankfully I don't think my buds will suffer TOO much because we're almost done and they can make it on just water. But again, I would like to find a solution.. I've used FFOF straight out of the bag. With RO water.. this run I used absolutely zero nutes during veg. Started using botanicares base and bloom during flower. At 25%.. Plants have looked beautiful and had no problems up until mid flower.. So I've heard that cutting my soil with dolomite lime is important. Any thoughts on lime w/ FFOF ? Idk I would just like to figure this out before my next run. Thank u
 
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