Organic better flavor?

SpicySativa

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I'm not trying to perpetuate this silly debate... But... I'd say what you did was test (and confirm) the placebo affect, not test whether organic tastes better... You can't test whether organic tastes better without actually including it in your test. :weed:
 

dubcoastOGs

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I think you experiment just proves that your wife doesn't know shit. You can tell her I said so.

I wuv youuuuu.
 

hyroot

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I'm not trying to perpetuate this silly debate... But... I'd say what you did was test (and confirm) the placebo affect, not test whether organic tastes better... You can't test whether organic tastes better without actually including it in your test. :weed:
I did the canna Pepsi challenge with my friends. They all liked organic more because the Chem grown was far more harsh, and milder taste and smell. They liked the smoothness and less coughing from organic. Granted my friend grew the hydro Chem death his way. The organic was way more stinky.

personally I won't smoke anything grown with chems and guano for health reasons
 

Mr.Head

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Isn't most guano sterilized? Just curious, what are the concerns with it? I don't use it in my mix but know it's super common.
 

hyroot

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I don't think its sterilized. There would be zero bacteria then. Disease and pathogens can be in guano. Can weaken immune system. I think cow manure and alpaca manure may be different since both animals have multiple stomachs.
 

NickNasty

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I grow organically but one thing I learned is as far as taste and plant health it is not about organic vs chem it is about the nutrient density of the plant. For instance a orange with higher nutrient density or higher brix < which is the method of testing nutrient density will always taste better than the same type of orange with a lower brix or lower nutrient density and this is true for all plants. Now I am a big fan of organic growing not only because it is easier to get a higher brix plant but also because a plants defenses and the environments defenses are stronger. With that being said if your properly using chem ferts you can get plants that are just as good in quality or nutrient dense its just harder and less forgiving. Also most people including farmers who use chem ferts or grow organic are not growing plants to there true potential but when they do there is a noticeable difference.
 

bluerock

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I didn't even bother reading all the replies.

I grew some weed in Miracle Grow.....my wife....the tree hugging vegetarian, always buying organic this or that was my test subject.

She knows I've grown organically in the past....so I rolled two joints and had her take hits of each. I asked her which one was the organic, and which was grown in MG? She said that one definitely could tell the difference....smoother....better tasting.

The thing is....both were joints grown in MG.
Sorry, but that is a worthless test since you contaminated it with confirmation bias on both you and your wife's part. Of course your wife is going to find a difference; she doesn't want to look like a moron, does she? You TOLD her they were different, didn't you? Case closed, test failed, not worth considering as having even a particle of validity.
 

lilroach

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Sorry, but that is a worthless test since you contaminated it with confirmation bias on both you and your wife's part. Of course your wife is going to find a difference; she doesn't want to look like a moron, does she? You TOLD her they were different, didn't you? Case closed, test failed, not worth considering as having even a particle of validity.
Listen.....I'm not saying my test was scientific or even fair. The point I was trying to make was that some people want to believe that organic taste better and often are fooling themselves. In my signature link "Miracle Grow vs. Happy Frog" some of my final comments were that I actually felt the MG weed taste better than the organic.
 

SpicySativa

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Listen.....I'm not saying my test was scientific or even fair. The point I was trying to make was that some people want to believe that organic taste better and often are fooling themselves. In my signature link "Miracle Grow vs. Happy Frog" some of my final comments were that I actually felt the MG weed taste better than the organic.
I just took a look at your "test". There are WAY to many uncontrolled variables to call that anything close to a scientific comparison. One plant was from seed, the other was a clone. One plant was grown in the spring, one during summer. One plant was grown in a smart pot, the other in a 5-gal bucket.

Anyway... We all have different tastes. Some people like a salad of iceberg lettuce and ranch dressing, some (like myself) enjoy all kinds of flavorful things like arugula, radicchio, mizuna, and mustard greens. Millions of people chug soda all day, and I think that stuff tastes like shit and leaves a nasty corn syrup aftertaste in my mouth. Millions of people think Budweiser and Coors taste good. Really?!? Wonderbread?!? Spam?!? American cheese?!?

We all like different things. THAT MUCH is 100% true...
 

foreverflyhi

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Listen.....I'm not saying my test was scientific or even fair. The point I was trying to make was that some people want to believe that organic taste better and often are fooling themselves. In my signature link "Miracle Grow vs. Happy Frog" some of my final comments were that I actually felt the MG weed taste better than the organic.
Haha lol mg taste better then organics?!
haha. Ive heard some crazy shit before, but that tops it all!!!
Ur experment is not even close to being valid or legit.
Hahaha excuse my rude humor but man..
 

foreverflyhi

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I feel like i have to give my last two shits of a opinion before i stop clicking on this pointless thread.

i personally helped build a collective from scratch and know first hand the buisness and our products. Half our herb is grown organic (by me) and the other half is grown coco with cutting edge. The only time when someone chooses the coco cutting edge over my organics is when the patient would rather spend 15$ for two gram deal. Our organic herb is by far superior in every way, other then maybe at times organic nugs being a bit smaller(for now)

i really dont have to mention taste bcuz there really is no competition, its obvious, its straight foward. I think the only people that would choose chemicals over organic really dont kno what to look for when they are judgeing. Or these people are from places where they do not have the luxury to become connisours like most of us here in california.

as for our cutting edge herb, well lets just say we just using up what we have left in those big ass plastic bottles before we switch to all organics :)
 

SpicySativa

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I'm about to sound like a total pot snob here... but this has honestly been my experience.

It used to be a treat when I would drive to the local dispensary and pick up a jar of their "top shelf" product. Then I started growing my own, and for a period of a couple years, I really only visited dispensaries to buy clones, and ended up with a freebie gram here and there. I have gone in to the dispensary a few times within the last year just to see what's out there. I buy a jar or two of whatever looks best, and give it a try. Let's just say my "stash basket" has something like 10 or so half full jars of "top shelf" that I'll end up making into butter or salve. I don't really even want to make hash from it, because the flavor just isn't there. It seems these days the market is flooded with sparky, chemmy, poor burning, black chunky ashed crap. Yes, it's plenty potent, but it is not pleasant for me to smoke. This isn't to say that high quality herb CAN'T be grown conventionally, just that (in my experience) it ISN'T being grown. Or at least not supplied to dispensaries as "top shelf" medicine.
 

ThaProdiG

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I'm about to sound like a total pot snob here... but this has honestly been my experience.

It used to be a treat when I would drive to the local dispensary and pick up a jar of their "top shelf" product. Then I started growing my own, and for a period of a couple years, I really only visited dispensaries to buy clones, and ended up with a freebie gram here and there. I have gone in to the dispensary a few times within the last year just to see what's out there. I buy a jar or two of whatever looks best, and give it a try. Let's just say my "stash basket" has something like 10 or so half full jars of "top shelf" that I'll end up making into butter or salve. I don't really even want to make hash from it, because the flavor just isn't there. It seems these days the market is flooded with sparky, chemmy, poor burning, black chunky ashed crap. Yes, it's plenty potent, but it is not pleasant for me to smoke. This isn't to say that high quality herb CAN'T be grown conventionally, just that (in my experience) it ISN'T being grown. Or at least not supplied to dispensaries as "top shelf" medicine.
it absolutely isnt. ur right... the best reason for the gov't is to call it "consistency" issues as to why they dont make things natural.. everything in nature is possible, the same "quality" product.. what i find is most notable about organic plants is their uniqueness.. even so under cloning.. and they use regulations in order to "supply" this "demand". this is why i use a metaphor... organic being the muscle car.. chem plants being the tuner... its like my kids now probably never tasted a non chem apple.. who the fck knows nowadays till i grow some apples.. but i remember when fruit was a little different i find...i do know that i see a difference but the only way u can REAllllyy know is by doing it yourself... people keep taking other peoples advice on experiences to which they have yet to be subjected...< High hash rant not trying to sound any type of way towards people... as im not an avid poster.
 

SpicySativa

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Regarding the food supply... As a general rule, farmers are just looking to produce a "marketable product". In other words, the apple farmer is only striving to produce an apple that is comparable in quality to all the other apples at the store. They don't seem to have any incentive to produce BETTER fruits and vegetables, because it won't likely fetch them a higher price. They want to keep on producing a consistent product that meets the needs (and cost restraints) of their buyers. Nothing more, nothing less. Stick the farm equipment in cruise control and harvest up another "marketable" crop, just like the last one...

Don't mind the fact that our food supply is SERIOUSLY lacking in nutrition... Just keep on keeping on because that's what the stores want to stock their shelves with. Cheap, consistent, "marketable" produce...

I need more land... My yard is already just about full of veggies. :)
 

NickNasty

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Yeah unfortunately farmers do not have the same incentive to grow higher quality nutrient dense food as we do in the cannabis world. With us we can get 25-50% more money for a product that is superior in flavor and smell. For farmers it is not usually the same it is more about quantity then quality. And with plants that are more nutrient dense people need to eat less to feel full.
 

ThaProdiG

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they say you are what you eat... its just bothering me more increasingly about the food... and you're too right about the land.
 

Trousers

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Organics is fun for me. Teas, microbes, fish smells, compost, worms... All cool stuff.
I get better quality.
My outdoor garden did better this year than it ever has due to me switching to organics.


Listen.....I'm not saying my test was scientific or even fair. The point I was trying to make was that some people want to believe that organic taste better and often are fooling themselves. In my signature link "Miracle Grow vs. Happy Frog" some of my final comments were that I actually felt the MG weed taste better than the organic.
It wasn't worth mentioning. You tricked your wife in a shitty way. I feel bad for her.

I feel like i have to give my last two shits of a opinion before i stop clicking on this pointless thread.

i personally helped build a collective from scratch and know first hand the buisness and our products. Half our herb is grown organic (by me) and the other half is grown coco with cutting edge. The only time when someone chooses the coco cutting edge over my organics is when the patient would rather spend 15$ for two gram deal. Our organic herb is by far superior in every way, other then maybe at times organic nugs being a bit smaller(for now)

i really dont have to mention taste bcuz there really is no competition, its obvious, its straight foward. I think the only people that would choose chemicals over organic really dont kno what to look for when they are judgeing. Or these people are from places where they do not have the luxury to become connisours like most of us here in california.

as for our cutting edge herb, well lets just say we just using up what we have left in those big ass plastic bottles before we switch to all organics :smile:

Such a douchey thing to say. I have met so many people from CA that think they know about weed.
 
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