Opinions About Death

so all he remembers he was telling me while i helped him take down his 12 trees cliping away i asked him about his scares on his neck.

he tells me it was a mistaken number on the vihical... and he remembers his wife and kids yelling he fell into a sleep the ride the lights everything seemed not to mater he left his body there was a piece that he could not explain.

he walked into the light he felt eturnal bliss and he was so fucken happy.. then he was drawn back into his body he woke up and he was fucken pissed his wife yelled im gona say a difrent name.. JAMES YOU FUCKEN WAKE UP DONT YOU DO THIS MOTHER FUCKER YOU COME BACK YOU HEAR ME BREETH>> BREATH YOU SON OF A BITCH DONT YOU DO THIS TO US he had a daughter and son..

Dislexicmidget2021 said:

so i was wondering and thinking about this subject,We have life and while we are in life we view death in many ways.My thought is that death is a transition not a means to an eternal end ,though this form we currently manifest will cease to be when transition occurs, this much we do understand.While it is my belief that that everything is made of energy condensed to make the form physicaly manifest. Energy that can never be created nor destroyed,we have come to understand this in Science.We only transfer energy or are rearranged when changing forms.In this happening it is unknown if memories of past energy forms could transfer into the new form,yet I do not view as an impossibility,yet that is beside my point.What is death to you?

So what are your thoughts people?

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I believe death is good for people. After all, what would happen if people had masturbated without limit and didn't die? Yes, death helps earth's microorganisms have lunch and multiply

and he remembers telling his wife NO LET ME GO LET ME GO. she like DONT YOU LEAVE US JAMES BREATH.. crying..

LOOOOL. I've thought I heard all the funny names but NOW... BREATH! LMAO Have a good night ladies and Gents

HE sead it was the worst he had a nurse over him literaly grabing him for 12 hours with charchole in his lungs and he had to breath he wanted to go back and he rememberd his kids and he made it threw he sewd and won but his doctor bills and lawer fees just about did the same amount as the hole ordeal sad but true he told me over a few trees he isnt scared to die he knows its not bad.. he donsnt hold the police acounted all those problems but somehow he doesnt care smilling all the time good guy i love that guy.. im glad he is still with us.

I'm almost certain Thump meant "Don't you leave us, James! Breathe!" cn

so the suspense didnt work i suck lolz but the story is true best grower i ever did see. good night

Good topic, lots of different thoughts and perspectives. In my experience with dying people (i've seen a lot of people die, more than I can remember or even care to) and to me all of the out of body experiences and spiritual feelings are a result of physiological mechanisms.

You hear a lot about people seeing and hearing things "they could never know", like what the MD or RN said but you dont hear about the the people who have near death experiences and say they remember the MD doing something that didn't happen, the person just thought it happened.

When someone slowly dies, bleeding out, you see strange and interesting things happen. They will start getting very anxious and tell you some weird shit. They then start hallucinating and can go in and out of consciousness. All of what they are experiencing can be attributed to the lack of blood therefore the lack of O2 to their brain. Once they lose consciousness their brain can still be active, neurons are firing all over and the brain will still try to make sense of it all. Decrease in blood, increase in crazy talk and hallucinations.

Example: "I felt myself come back and I had a feeling of spiritual euphoria and a pressure lift off of me"
What really happened: one of the medical staff stopped doing CPR because your heart started to beat again and you got blood back to your brain. The euphoria is probably result of all the powerful hormones and chemicals your body pumped out.

Have you ever been asleep and dreaming and hear a conversation in your dream that was happening between two people next to you? Your dream may start turning into something more like what is being talked about outside of the dream. This is your brain trying to make sense of a sensory input taking place outside of its consciousness. Would you call this spiritual? Prob not. This is the same with an unconscious person near death.

Hypoxic insult to your brain will cause many crazy things to happen. You have people who lose lot of their frontal cortex due to a serious injury and they will be a different person. They could have been a very kind person and a devout Catholic before the injury and after the will be an athiest who is a very mean person. Was this a spiritual change or a physical change of their brain structure? It can be the same for a person who was an athiest, had a traumatic brain injury, then becomes very spiritual.

All in all I think a lot of the spiritual feelings around dying are lazy thinking and putting God in as the answer for something that is not understood. Hope this makes sense, its hard to condense so many thoughts.

very insightful mr. hash, i enjoyed the logistics of what you said there. i totally agree, i think when we die thats it, that the human animal is no more special than an ant or a spider, one squish and we will be gone forever (although our energy(heat) and body will decompose and feed the earth/universe). personally, imo the thought of existing forever is quite depressing. i would much rather think that right before i die ill get to go into a lucid dream for a few days (dream time) and ill get to fly one last time. if not? oh well, i guess ill find out eventually right? until then...

i don't really know what happens when something dies, but i do have some cool ideas.

that reminds me, my christian father used to say that animals and bugs went to animal heaven and bug heaven lol!!! what a sap.

I agree. When you die that's it. No more existence. Which is really depressing and makes me wish I had some kind of faith, but I don't believe in mumbo jumbo. I wish I did, then dying wouldn't seem so tragic to me.

Originally Posted by Dislexicmidget2021
So many people think within the concept that we have this "soul" which leaves the body at death while preaching
about something that cannot be fused with evidence on any level then want to have you believe that youre a fool for
not seeing what they do and call you blind,its some level of ego that makes these people believe that they are
an enlightened person,and having this sense that you do not.When in actuality it is the foolhardy notion
that drives there way of thinking to the lines of pshychological insanity.Once they actualy do understand that once
the end of life has occured and are no longer of this world a profound sense can take place, that is the
enlightenment needed to extract the illusion of eternal life out of the line of reasoning.Fear is the key
player in this,but to have someone tell you that your blind while they cling to their blanket of
nonsense security is just laughable......some people.

yet you do not have any evidence of your own.

without any proof, do you call them insane. and laughable fools.
maybe they had an experience which you havent had. probably misunderstood it to heck and back, but it gave them security and comfort.
something they wished to share with you. (though they were wrong on calling you a fool)
dunno...even it were a fairy tale, its a bit better than "we are all meat robots decaying in time, till the end of time, when it maybe starts up again, meatrobots to infinity and beyond"

though, ina way, those who think they wont exist after death, are right, but ill get to that later.


I dont have any evidence of what?Delusional fools preaching and bible thumping about an afterlife?I need no evidence to provide in this because it is rampantly self evident,I merely point out realizing the truth about living and the attainable peace from its realization,so a greater and more mindful appreciation of life could be found from it.

Consciousness is the immortal being in that when our bodies no longer function, like a chrysalis it sheds and we develop into another form of life (not consciousness). Our mind, that which we think with and not the brain that controls the functions of this body, is a part of the conscious being inside this shell. Humans have the possibility to live many hundreds of years, given the right parameters and if cellular decay is slowed down or even halted. Perhaps regenerative cells can be achieved, and life can be extended, but I highly doubt the human body could withstand such a long time. Eventually the being (that is you, your conscious self) would be drawn onto the next process. Just like a caterpillar cannot remain in his cocoon forever.

Where do I think we go? Occam's Razor: "The simplest explanation for some phenomenon is more likely to be accurate than more complicated explanations." Genuinely the most simplest explanation is more likely than the more complicated one. Why go to Heaven where there's streets paved in gold and you're sitting across the table from some bearded hippie in a robe, or having to satisfy thirty virgins when at best in life, you could hardly satisfy but one. Or going from this human form to a bug. Being downgraded isn't what I want to sign up for, nor for that matter do I believe that a Buddhist would want that either. Death is no great mystery. But what happens afterwards, is. No one really knows, not even I, nor do religions or people who claim to talk to spirits. No one really knows. Perhaps some do know, but going on a drug-induced trip isn't going to convince me otherwise. DMT and shamanistic compounds that induce an truly amazing experience might be a glimpse into the spirit/mind connection, but until I delve into that myself, I cannot truly say what there is other than it's going to be an interesting quest. Until then, I want to have as much fun as possibly, eat delicious foods, see great visuals in the form of landscapes and wonders, hump my wife as much as I can, explore books and new places, meet interesting people, watch programs that make me laugh and cry at the same time, enjoy beer and wine and pot like I have done for years and not worry about the big bad Blue Meanies that seem to want to dumb me down or control my thoughts on what sort of life I should be living based on some silly ape morality that really, in the end, don't mean a whole lot when you think about it.

Interesting. Physics (and learning dexterity in a physical world) teach us the conservation laws - of momentum, mass, energy, etc. Physics gives us the quantities; sports, hunting etc. teach us the intuitive end of things.
So it's natural and unserstandable that we'd have an inclination to believe in Conservation of Spirit. Easterners have recycling schemes, while the Abrahamics prefer a one-pass assembly-line approach serving a separate afterlife.
I personally doubt there even is such a thing as spirit ... it's a sort of conscious shorthand that our mind uses to conceptualize continuity of awareness, memory, cognition. (Maybe.) As a result, I consider it unlikely that even a trace of it persists beyond death. The metaphor that seems most apt and natural to most is that the spirit is the engine that drives the biological body. And there is some probable truth to that ... dying people have been proven to be able to prolong their lives by a fierce and sustained act of will. Phidippides at Piraeus (the original Marathon runner, who delivered his message and keeled over) was a leading example, and soldiers everywhere have corresponding stories.
But imo a more useful metaphor is that spirit is the visible flame coming off the metabolic bonfire of all our nerve tissue, and when that goes out, the flame goes zoop.
But none of that is science or otherwise amenable to learned discussion. In the end, it is one internet itinerant's individual and indefinite ideations on the ineffable. cn

cannabineer said:

But imo a more useful metaphor is that spirit is the visible flame coming off the metabolic bonfire of all our nerve tissue, and when that goes out, the flame goes zoop.

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...this is a rather selective slice of what you've written here, but it's for good reason. Interesting that you say 'spirit is the visible flame'. I was just listening to a lecture in which the speaker said "even darkness is flame - we just don't see it". He went on to say that a visible flame is contained within the unseen flame. (unseen because of our inability to see it - "if thine eye be single" comes to mind - and a dude looking into a microscope ).

In this metaphor we see the relationship between Christ and Lucifer, "the light bringer / phosphorus".

Capt. Stickyfingers said:

I agree. When you die that's it. No more existence. Which is really depressing and makes me wish I had some kind of faith, but I don't believe in mumbo jumbo. I wish I did, then dying wouldn't seem so tragic to me.

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Yeah, when I was a believer in Christianity, I didn't dread death. But since I've become an "unbeliever", I do dread death. Bummer.

Oh how do I become a believer again?

i cant say i dread death now, it just makes me want to enjoy my life and live it to the fullest. when its done thats it, but thats more motivation to go out and make the best of every day. Fuck spending valuable time on this earth doing pointless things. do what you enjoy while being productive and thats heaven on earth right there.