UncleBuck
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i have a compensation problem. see my sig.
Open Season on Illegal Immigrants
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nontheist
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Mexicans now account for 32% of all immigrants living in this country. The second-largest nationality group of immigrants, Filipinos, account for just 5% of all immigrants in the U.S.
Overall, Mexicans comprise about six-in-ten (59%) of the estimated 11.9 million unauthorized immigrants in the U.S. (see “A Portrait of Undocumented Immigrants Living in the United States,” Passel and Cohn, 2009).
No other country in the world has as many total immigrants from all countries as the United States has immigrants from Mexico alone. Other than the U.S., the country that hosts the largest number of immigrants is Russia, with 12 million foreign born, many of whom are natives of countries that were part of the former Soviet Union.
31,798,258 million legal Mexican immigrants from US census
12 million illegals and mexicans count for at least 6 out of 10.
http://www.census.gov/prod/cen2010/briefs/c2010br-04.pdf
So it's closer to 40 million instead of 48 my bad. So we house 35% of another nations people. Make you feel any better? Still makes your statement that Mexicans are getting the shitty deal look retarded. Of course you knew that I assume that's why you didn't show the math.
thecoolman
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[h=2][/h] Burgeoning numbers of Mexican migrants prompted President Eisenhower to appoint General Joseph Swing as INS Commissioner. According to Attorney General Herbert Brownell, Jr., Eisenhower had a sense of urgency about illegal immigration upon taking office. In a letter to Senator J. William Fulbright, Eisenhower quoted a report in The New York Times that said, "The rise in illegal border-crossing by Mexican 'wetbacks' to a current rate of more than 1,000,000 cases a year has been accompanied by a curious relaxation in ethical standards extending all the way from the farmer-exploiters of this contraband labor to the highest levels of the Federal Government."[SUP][1][/SUP]
[h=2]Operation Wetback in action[/h] The effort began in California and Arizona in 1954 and coordinated 1,075 Border Patrol agents, along with state and local police agencies. Tactics employed included going house to house in Mexican-American neighborhoods and citizenship checks during standard traffic stops.
Some 750 agents targeted agricultural areas with a goal of 1,000 apprehensions per day. By the end of July, over 50,000 illegal aliens were caught in the two states. An estimated 488,000 illegal aliens are believed to have left voluntarily, for fear of being apprehended. By September, 80,000 had been taken into custody in Texas, and the INS estimated that 500,000 to 700,000 had left Texas of their own accord. To discourage illicit re-entry, buses and trains took many deportees deep within Mexican territory before releasing them.
Tens of thousands more were deported by two chartered ships: the Emancipation and the Mercurio. The ships ferried them from Port Isabel, Texas, to Veracruz, Mexico, more than 500 miles (800 km) to the south. Some were taken as far as 1,000 miles (1,600 km). Deportation by sea was ended after seven deportees jumped overboard from the Mercurio and drowned, provoking a mutiny that led to a public outcry in Mexico.[SUP][2][/SUP]
[h=2]Operation Wetback in action[/h] The effort began in California and Arizona in 1954 and coordinated 1,075 Border Patrol agents, along with state and local police agencies. Tactics employed included going house to house in Mexican-American neighborhoods and citizenship checks during standard traffic stops.
Some 750 agents targeted agricultural areas with a goal of 1,000 apprehensions per day. By the end of July, over 50,000 illegal aliens were caught in the two states. An estimated 488,000 illegal aliens are believed to have left voluntarily, for fear of being apprehended. By September, 80,000 had been taken into custody in Texas, and the INS estimated that 500,000 to 700,000 had left Texas of their own accord. To discourage illicit re-entry, buses and trains took many deportees deep within Mexican territory before releasing them.
Tens of thousands more were deported by two chartered ships: the Emancipation and the Mercurio. The ships ferried them from Port Isabel, Texas, to Veracruz, Mexico, more than 500 miles (800 km) to the south. Some were taken as far as 1,000 miles (1,600 km). Deportation by sea was ended after seven deportees jumped overboard from the Mercurio and drowned, provoking a mutiny that led to a public outcry in Mexico.[SUP][2][/SUP]
thecoolman
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One million removed in a few months by only a 750 agents imagine what the current 20 thousand plus could do
if we fired the criminals directing them.
if we fired the criminals directing them.
UncleBuck
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we get it. you're a bigot and you don't like mexicans. even the ones here legally.
UncleBuck
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yeah, with enough hard work, we could collapse many local economies and destroy the labor source for so many of our farmers.
you're a genius!
Nutes and Nugs
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Then those businesses would have to be rebuilt with Legal workers.
The unemployment rate would drop drastically in some areas.
The state and country would save billions of dollars.
echelon1k1
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Don't worry obama is the best thing for them...
Nutes and Nugs
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LOL, That's the truth!
They're not going to stick around to vote for a democrat in 16.
They have cool stuff like "the donkey show" back home.
Dr Kynes
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dont be a twat.
the south seceded and thus northern military bases on souther states was impractical. the south demanded that these souther outposts be given to them. the north decided that the south wasnt allowed to not be part of the union any more and was preparing to FORCE them back into compliance.
you know this, but you think you can pretend ignorance and somebody will say something you can twist to your ends.
forcing the southern states to remain in the union was the first major step on our path from a republic to an authoritarian nationstate.
the justification you and your lefty entourage use to excuse this action is "slavery" but you dont give a shit about it really. if the south had manumitted their slaves and declared them all citizens of the confederacy the civil war would still have gone down exactly the same way. it was not about slavery, it was about CONTROL.
ginwilly
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The illegals work for less than min wage on most farms and are usually charged by head for rent while they live sometimes 20 to a trailer. Pickers work hard for no money. I picked tomatoes for two weeks one summer at 15 to save for a car and hated every minute of it.
You will not get someone to pick for min wage when it's a pay cut from NOT working. It wouldn't make sense. Crops would either be shorted from lack of pickers causing prices to rise or the farmer will have to outlay more money to hire legal workers causing prices to rise.
It's a dirty little secret that letting illegals work for 5 bucks an hour on our farms is what is best for our economy. It's a shame we can't legally pay our own high school kids who would be willing to work for the same. Unintended consequences of minimum wage. Some jobs are not worth more than 4,5,6 bucks an hour and some kids would be willing to do some menial tasks for it. So it's either allow illegals to work these jobs and look the other way or we abolish minimum wage. The latter ain't happenin'.
You will not get someone to pick for min wage when it's a pay cut from NOT working. It wouldn't make sense. Crops would either be shorted from lack of pickers causing prices to rise or the farmer will have to outlay more money to hire legal workers causing prices to rise.
It's a dirty little secret that letting illegals work for 5 bucks an hour on our farms is what is best for our economy. It's a shame we can't legally pay our own high school kids who would be willing to work for the same. Unintended consequences of minimum wage. Some jobs are not worth more than 4,5,6 bucks an hour and some kids would be willing to do some menial tasks for it. So it's either allow illegals to work these jobs and look the other way or we abolish minimum wage. The latter ain't happenin'.
UncleBuck
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yeah, people are just dying to do the jobs that illegals are doing.
just ask the farmers in georgia
moron.
UncleBuck
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or we could just pay a little more for tomatoes and lettuce and not exploit people.
ginwilly
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The peaches, peanuts and pecans were hurt but the Mennonites kicked ass last year. Most of them around here grow for major companies like DelMonte and Campbell's and are not afraid of hard work at all. The longer I live here and interact with this group of people the more appreciation and respect I have for those crazy cultists. They are really good, honest, dedicated people and seem to be loving life.yeah, people are just dying to do the jobs that illegals are doing.
just ask the farmers in georgia
But yeah, the illegals crackdown had a negative effect overall on the state's economy. At least short term it did.
Nutes and Nugs
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They should be happy for any jobs.yeah, people are just dying to do the jobs that illegals are doing.
just ask the farmers in georgia
moron.
This bullshit excuse of "jobs americans don't want" is more liberalism.
It's sad we have become dependent on illegal labor practices.
If Obama is a leader, he needs to take this country back.
Not make it a gangster state like his Chicago.
ginwilly
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Or we could allow people to mutually enter into agreements over labor without deciding what's best for them. The immigrants come here during harvest, pile into cramped living quarters and work for what we consider slave wages. They then return to Mexico with what they earned after saving most of it and bring back more than they could possibly make at home.
It works to all parties benefit and there is no reason this can't be done legally. Farmers should be able to petition for X amount of pickers from other Nations each year and be able to hire the workers, provide the transport and living quarters, and have the paper work cleared within a month. They should be allowed to work for what ever they agree to and our kids should be allowed to compete for them. Not all jobs are meant to sustain a family on, they should not be treated as such.
Dr Kynes
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why dont you tell us what the farmers in georgia are saying then? from your position in orgeon im sure you have your finger on the pulse of rural southern life.yeah, people are just dying to do the jobs that illegals are doing.
just ask the farmers in georgia
moron.
have you ever worked a harvest on a farm bucky? it's a lot of long hours doing tedious and skilled work to bring in the crops. before the rise of industrialized society that meant itinerant farm workers who traveled from harvest to harvest, but thats impractical for people with homes, families, jobs and responsibilities to pay the visa bill and car insurance every month.
the structure of our society makes getting a harvest in difficult since most high school kids, homeless bums, and inner city dwellers do not live near farms and getting all those buffoons to the feilds, provideing them with food water sanitation and shelter for a week and then sending them back to the slums is a ridiculous idea. most city dwellers would have no fucking interest in heading off to the stick, living in a tent or trailer and working in the sun all day for a week for regular pay, if you tell em they will be paid $.50 a bushel they will first ask "whats a bushel" and when they figure out that they will have to bust their asses to make minimum wage, they will tell you to go fuck yourself. those very few who will take ANY job to get out of the slums will suck at harvesting and will continue to suck unless they get the skills needed to do the job. thats not gonna happen unless they take to the road and travel with the harvests. but the wage for harvesters sucks. it has to unless you city folks want to pay twice the price for bread or lettuce.
itinerant farm laborers are not unskilled doofuses they are skilled workers who are well practiced in traveling to a new spot, working for a week then heading down the road to the next harvest. thats their JOB and its a job like any other which requires considerable skill, and a willingness to bust your hump for less than city folk consider worthwhile.
mexican brusaros excel at this kind of work because they head back to mexico at the end of the harvest to tend their own harvest which come in far later than ours, and they come back with cash that makes the trip profitable if you live in mexico. they are skilled agricultural workers already, and the wage they get up here at harvest goes a long way in mexico.
the problem is, they do not all go home at the end of the harvest. in fact they are not all skilled agricultural workers. many are criminals fleeing mexican law, some are drug mules, some are layabouts, some are just scum. mexico is happy to be rid of them and you lefties want us to treat these assholes like they are farm hands come to do an honest days work which many americans are simply not able to do because of our society's makeup.
so you assholes on the left just keep looking down your noses at rural folks, and calling us racist, and making your trailer park jokes, but the fact is, mobile homes were created to be the "mobile homes" of people who travelled to follow the harvest, and many still do today, but for higher wage gigs than picking lettuce. lumbermen still live in mobile homes and move their trailers from timber stand to timber stand to harvest the trees. it's a way of life thats fast disappearing because it doesnt make for good consumers who stay in one place and reliably consume.
and thats what the tax man prefers.
Nutes and Nugs
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^ Good ideas.
UncleBuck
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just liberalism, eh?
tell that to the farmers in georgia.
http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/anti-immigrant-showboating-politician
Nutes and Nugs
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LOL, you just have well quoted the NY Times or an AP liberal written article.
The farmer hired people on probation to do the work. I'm sure they would be most comfortable at home watching tv and moving on to the next court appointed job.
This is the point Buck.
We have to get legal workers working again.
I've worked shit jobs when I was young and built myself up. Pretty much what we are supposed to do as laborers.
The USA needs to get rid of these illegals and start to rebuild itself.
Is Obama gonna do it?
Hell NO.