One Light 3 Pounds!!

Yes vertical on one horizontal on other metal parabolic hoods open ended just like a umbrella but 5 feet round and all brand new at the time next grow same strain Afghanistan 2 k only 6 pounds dry but ran into some issues with plants middle of flower but that is my record which i never beat
the Vertical Craze actually was when the power prices blew up in Cali which Forced many to go vertical less power grows this goes way back to the founding fathers the likes of crusty , Heath etc ,, but to this day i think many are chasing the dream its not what it can yield its the possibility of what it can yield If we look on every single vertical grow on the net and the 135 percent more space if that meant anything which it really does not , then there would be no debate on which is a better method of growing ..
Cause i can guarntee you i would destroy any vert grow 1 k vs 1 k simply put you can only surround so many plants in a donut where i can put 40 - 50 plants in a room and even if it did 1.0 0z per plant which i know it would do much more with 5 week veg were taking 50 oz 3 .125 pounds
You will never get that vertical 4 plant donut lol cause plants would out grow the light source and most importantly would be larf
Again which in many cases is another myth run wild that Vertical does not produce larf actually it probably produces more larf
Vertical growing is a choice on which works best for a growers situation ,, But its not in any means a grow that will out yield Horizontal ,, and this is from looking at every documented grow on the internet .. Facts
If that was the Case that vertical blew horizontal there be no debate right ,,
then we would not be seeing grows like this ) and i guarntee you there is not or never will be a vert grow that watt for watt will touch it in yields and turn arounds

read about this in HIgh times. dont understand the price. fuck 500$. ill torrent the shit out of it. (allegedly). but i probably still wont read it. heard it got some nice pictures tho.

Apparently part of his technique is removing every single fan leaf on day 1 of flowering to maximize light penetration through the canopy..

he says by doing that, you remove the allot of the plants ability to uptake sugar through the fan leaves. so in turn you need to feed the plant micro/ macro nutrients to replace what the fan leaves provide.

pretty interesting, id like to see what others think of this.

WestDenverPioneer said:

... let me put it to you like this... reading a book on skateboarding isn't going to turn you into Tony Hawk. You may learn everything about skateboarding along the way... but some people just suck on a board. Growing takes talent. It takes time. It takes patience. But it takes talent, too.

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Dude.... this is so spot on I may have to steal it as my signature....

Nickyj420 said:

o.k so theres this dude from colorado asking $500 for his book, that guarantees "3 A Light" anyone read it?? some celebrities are vouchen for this guy? google "3 A Light" lemmie know..

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=o2ODAWf_Ioo

http://www.threealight.com/shop/

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About a pound

dabhe4d said:

read about this in HIgh times. dont understand the price. fuck 500$. ill torrent the shit out of it. (allegedly). but i probably still wont read it. heard it got some nice pictures tho.

Apparently part of his technique is removing every single fan leaf on day 1 of flowering to maximize light penetration through the canopy..

he says by doing that, you remove the allot of the plants ability to uptake sugar through the fan leaves. so in turn you need to feed the plant micro/ macro nutrients to replace what the fan leaves provide.

pretty interesting, id like to see what others think of this.

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When ever some one starts taking about removing fan leafs etc that is when you should turn and walk away the person is a idiot plain n simple
there are only few stages when a person should prune a plant early spring and late fall pruning and stripping a plant of its leafs are completely different ,,
Things you should ask the idiot is ok so by removal of fan leafs ?? how does the plant transpire and res pirate out of the root zone ??? ..
with the removal of leafs and importance of stomata where does the plant uptake Co2 ??? cause what use is removal of leafs to get light down lower you now usal 4 - 5 feet below the canopy where your weak ass light source is only going to produce crap anyways ???
does it make sense to keep them what i call sucker buds that take away energy from the top A grade buds that are growing ??
Then most importantly ask the nit wit if everything including humans change as in evolution .. why being MJ only real purpose is to reproduce then why not over the thousands of thousands of years its been around has not the species opted to drop its leafs during flowering phase if this is the case to produce more off spring .
So much shit out there these days i mean growing weed is 1st year hordiculture shit or 4th grade level why make it more difficult, just let the fuckign weed grow train a bit and learn basic's Yup that simple .
But no get these meat heads coming in saying strip leafs , pour ice water into your roots , the yellowing is normal for MJ just plain idiot Scrubs

2ANONYMOUS said:

When ever some one starts taking about removing fan leafs etc that is when you should turn and walk away the person is a idiot plain n simple

So much shit out there these days i mean growing weed is 1st year hordiculture shit or 4th grade level why make it more difficult, just let the fuckign weed grow train a bit and learn basic's Yup that simple .
But no get these meat heads coming in saying strip leafs , pour ice water into your roots , the yellowing is normal for MJ just plain idiot Scrubs

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fuckin-A right.
it's early but you just earned the "amen-brother-of-the-day award"

2ANONYMOUS said:

When ever some one starts taking about removing fan leafs etc that is when you should turn and walk away the person is a idiot plain n simple

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Really? Because I remove fan leaves as necessary (indoors) to ensure enough air flow to keep from having a moldy mess at the end of the cycle. I don't make any other claims as to the benefits beyond simply allowing air to keep circulating. Am I "an idiot, plain n simple"? I ask because all this good dope I've been growing all these years must have been a total fluke each and every time...weird.


I get what you're saying overall to at least some degree in terms of the bullshit and misinformation that is spread, but your attitude is really off-putting and you'll excuse me if I have a little trouble taking you seriously when all you seem to do is post angry rants instead of photos of plants that you are actually growing. The whole living-in-mom's-basement-repping-Anonymous thing is just icing on the cake...

lol serously dude living in moms basement ??? TBH and lets be really truthful its only been since the state legalization of MJ in the states most people have came out of the dungeon , where back 10 years ago the grows mostly seen on here or other sites were with people growing illegally but had the balls to post up journals now everyone and there dog is growing and get this
There Jedi's haha
lets be truthful look up Dr Fever ?? that's me from 10 years ago posting 700 plant grows so please and again with Hordiculture back ground or well its family owned business you know one growing as a hobby and another growing as a lively hood one tends to know alot more specially when your dealing with on a Daily basis certified Botanists who know there shit in side n out instead of the hokus pockus crap being spewed all over the internet

I find it really ironic now it only takes a grow and pow everyone has been doing it for years Really rings hollow you know it only took so long before people caught on with Xmass trees that hey we can grow them to instead of getting them from Northern country shit you know that monster xmass tree in New york ??? guess where that was grown an shipped from
And truthfully speaking its only really been last what 5 - 8 years max that people strted really growing in USA just look at the tonnage of MJ imported to USA from mexico , Canada even today

You mention you strip leafs as for air circulation to prevent mold but why if you had enough t air movement to begin with there be no need ,, and most importantly a healthy plant again it would not be worried about and trust me i pushed plants further then most would ever dream to

But hey no worries building a new green house and maybe might post a journal 400 gallon per plant grow as for indoor well again those days are numbered its about producing hundreds of pounds with the sun organically and natural is really where MJ is leading to that is to be well efficient and where numbers count
nothing touches green house growing or the natural sun when you break it down
So yea will grow that couple plants indoor but money maker is out door green houses
PS Have never ever worried about bud rott or mold mold is a disease any plant or strain that shows mold is automatically culled no need when there are so many great strains and orginal strains in my seed vault

PS lawrius i see you buy seeds ?? i have never EVER purchased seeds in my life i want a strain ? make one call i got a clone of anything i want GG4 got it haze you name it with in one week 1 - 1000 clones , i guess that is what happens when you become fairly well known and breed your own shit as well even charles sent me 20 different strains , thats just how it goes when you in the under ground collective even strains we got that have not even hit the market thats what its all about trading seeds working strains etc

Now i really do not give a crap if a person pisses on there plants have had er but with stuff life flushing, defoilating its shit like that is just plain stupid

Anyways happy growing got to get working on another green house for summer you know money maker grow cheers and remember keep stripping and flushing your plants

Agree to disagree on that point, then. I speak based on my experience only. Just because I've been doing this for a long time doesn't mean I know everything or anything at all at the end of the day. I've seen your posts for some time now on icmag if you are indeed DrFever and though your posting style has always been a bit tough to follow, you do have some good looking plants.

That said, I do want to take a moment to mention that I should not have added a personal attack at the end of my post. Is what it is and I won't edit my post because that already happened, but I'm a grown man so I can admit when I'm wrong. I post based on my own experiences and that is far from a controlled, scientific process -- more like guess and check, correct, rinse and repeat. I should take the advice I've given others and take care to not speak with such finality about issues which are clearly contentious. If there is anything I've learned about growing pot it is that it's just like everything else in life -- if you think you have it all figured out, you're more ignorant than you were when you started.

Take it easy.

See lawius i just looked at your 800 watt grow and obviously you took or stripped leafs off it curious what was final yield 7 oz plus 1 - 2 oz of larf ??? sorry but i have to say this that was a disaster and how many plants ??

you need to try same strain of course trained how ever you do it but leave them leafs on and if anything remove lower larf sucker buds i guarantee you will have a way better Yield cause for using 800 watts and only making 252 grams lets put it in real time settings .31 GPW even a novice grower should of done better

Lets see here i got 2 plants under 600 watt right now haha as you put it in my mommies basement lmao cherry pie not a huge yielder by far ??? lets see what she pulls i will make sure to post harvest day pictures as well as dry weight you wanna bet these 2 plants get me over a pound with only water no nutrient as its no till

Maybe I posted my mea culpa too soon...

Not interested in arguing that particular point as you can read the thread and get the rundown on the yield. What you posted is roughly 1/3 of the total yield. Around 7 ounces from the 400w tent, which was certainly not earth-shattering. I ended up with around 750g minus larf and the bubble pile for the entire run which was a total of 1000w at the end of the day, not the 800w it was originally intended to be. Again, mediocre at best, but the quality was what was important. I also was running 11 different phenotypes with 7 different strains total, from seed, in 1gal containers feeding once a day. But then, I never said I removed fan leaves to improve the yield, so I'm not sure how that's relevant.

I did extend the olive branch above...if you didn't see it, take a look...if you saw it and don't care, that's fine as well. I posted what I needed to post and don't need to take out my bad day on anybody else today.

Take care.

lawlrus said:

Agree to disagree on that point, then. I speak based on my experience only. Just because I've been doing this for a long time doesn't mean I know everything or anything at all at the end of the day. I've seen your posts for some time now on icmag if you are indeed DrFever and though your posting style has always been a bit tough to follow, you do have some good looking plants.

That said, I do want to take a moment to mention that I should not have added a personal attack at the end of my post. Is what it is and I won't edit my post because that already happened, but I'm a grown man so I can admit when I'm wrong. I post based on my own experiences and that is far from a controlled, scientific process -- more like guess and check, correct, rinse and repeat. I should take the advice I've given others and take care to not speak with such finality about issues which are clearly contentious. If there is anything I've learned about growing pot it is that it's just like everything else in life -- if you think you have it all figured out, you're more ignorant than you were when you started.

Take it easy.

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quite the mature approach to this.
you have earned my respect, for whatever that's worth.

And again, for what it's worth, I do NOT defoliate ever.
Taking off fan leaves to avoid mold is counterintuitive, the ambient humidity and the amount of actual airborne mold spores coupled with the plants overall health is what dictates mold spreading.
The mold spores are everywhere, and arguably you are subjecting your plants to more issues when you cut off fan leaves.
Not to mention you will inevitably yield much less at the end.

Not a theory. Those are facts.

Doesn't make a speck of difference to me how you grow, I just thought that since you were being a cool dude, i'd share that with you.

greasemonkeymann said:

quite the mature approach to this.
you have earned my respect, for whatever that's worth.

And again, for what it's worth, I do NOT defoliate ever.
Taking off fan leaves to avoid mold is counterintuitive, the ambient humidity and the amount of actual airborne mold spores coupled with the plants overall health is what dictates mold spreading.
The mold spores are everywhere, and arguably you are subjecting your plants to more issues when you cut off fan leaves.
Not to mention you will inevitably yield much less at the end.

Not a theory. Those are facts.

Doesn't make a speck of difference to me how you grow, I just thought that since you were being a cool dude, i'd share that with you.

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I've never actually had issues with mold. This probably contributes to a bit of a logical fallacy on my part -- because I have done X with the intention of preventing Y, and I have not encountered Y in my growing career, then X must do the trick. Thanks for the info, I'm always looking to learn more and improve my craft.

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I've never actually had issues with mold. This probably contributes to a bit of a logical fallacy on my part -- because I have done X with the intention of preventing Y, and I have not encountered Y in my growing career, then X must do the trick. Thanks for the info, I'm always looking to learn more and improve my craft.

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ahhh I see
Do a side by side.
If run from clone, you'll see a HUGE difference.
In my experience ventilation is crucial, especially when running larger plants because of the water transpiration, sorta like a car does when you have the windows rolled up, it's essentially condensation, but that coupled with higher temps and not enough ventilation can create mold.
best thing is to run two inline fans, one for the aircooled hoods, and the other for the room.
Also certain strains are mold prone.
Kushs are the worst..
sativas usually are better, but that's all predicated on the strain.

2anonymous is a good guy by the way.
The little that I know of him anyways.

You two just need to roll one up and burn it first.

Lawlus this is constructive criticism do not take it as i am attacking you i do not have pictures any more as new pc but have done grows of all kinds using magnetics, de leafing, miracle grow a lot and from know the strain and what she was capable of i saw first hand reduction in yield from plants i stripped leafs off
Truth is everyone is always worried about amount of nutrients, many times all over feeding truth is ..
Its not about the amount you give them its all about the least amount you give them and plants maintain being healthy
once people realize that there yields double ,, The yellowing is normal in plants myth is just that crock of shit not true its opposite its maintaining a healthy plant as long as you can and that alone will not only bring out the best a strain is capable of giving it will also give you the best possible yield that strain is capable of

just saying and yes no till has thrown some curves at me ,, specially indoor out door never a issue but fine tuning it i am thinking my issues are more in the richness of whats coming out of my 3 worm bins so my carbon cycle is unbalanced in door but also i am truthfully moving away from indoor growing all together and more into full year green house growing presently building a diy self sustaining green house that will in fact produce heat in winter growing months With cob supplemental lighting all solar and in ground natural heating lines eventually only thing growing indoor is seedlings and breeding under low power

greasemonkeymann said:

ahhh I see
Do a side by side.
If run from clone, you'll see a HUGE difference.
In my experience ventilation is crucial, especially when running larger plants because of the water transpiration, sorta like a car does when you have the windows rolled up, it's essentially condensation, but that coupled with higher temps and not enough ventilation can create mold.
best thing is to run two inline fans, one for the aircooled hoods, and the other for the room.
Also certain strains are mold prone.
Kushs are the worst..
sativas usually are better, but that's all predicated on the strain.

2anonymous is a good guy by the way.
The little that I know of him anyways.

You two just need to roll one up and burn it first.
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Thanks for the tips. It may be worth mentioning that I moved from horizontal growing to vertical growing years ago. It just happens that in my last run as well as my current run, out of my two tents, one is an "overflow grow" that is a horizontal scrog while the other is a straight bare bulb vertical scrog, which is my preference/forte. In fact, the only reason the overflow tent is not also vertical is because I felt the genetics that ended up in there would be best suited for a horizontal grow as they are pretty stout and not big stretchers by all accounts. If I didn't remove fan leaves (or somehow get them out of the way), they wouldn't last long next to the bare bulb anyways. No matter how well I manage my "vertical canopy," if it's a seed run there are always the large fans with the huge petioles that just want to stretch right into the bulb and get roasted. I only do one or two runs a year and don't run a perpetual now so everything takes longer to acclimate to than it would otherwise, so I'm sure the above is grower error and not just the way it has to be.

Take care to note that I'm not at all discounting what you're saying -- just pointing out that when I look at my plants, I look at them a bit differently than I would have a few years ago back before I started doing what I have described above.

Either way, my sincere thanks for the info. A little dose of humility is good for everybody once in a while, and the last thing I'd ever want to do is give the impression that I think I know it all.

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Lawlus this is constructive criticism do not take it as i am attacking you i do not have pictures any more as new pc but have done grows of all kinds using magnetics, de leafing, miracle grow a lot and from know the strain and what she was capable of i saw first hand reduction in yield from plants i stripped leafs off
Truth is everyone is always worried about amount of nutrients, many times all over feeding truth is ..
Its not about the amount you give them its all about the least amount you give them and plants maintain being healthy
once people realize that there yields double ,, The yellowing is normal in plants myth is just that crock of shit not true its opposite its maintaining a healthy plant as long as you can and that alone will not only bring out the best a strain is capable of giving it will also give you the best possible yield that strain is capable of

just saying and yes no till has thrown some curves at me ,, specially indoor out door never a issue but fine tuning it i am thinking my issues are more in the richness of whats coming out of my 3 worm bins so my carbon cycle is unbalanced in door but also i am truthfully moving away from indoor growing all together and more into full year green house growing presently building a diy self sustaining green house that will in fact produce heat in winter growing months With cob supplemental lighting all solar and in ground natural heating lines eventually only thing growing indoor is seedlings and breeding under low power View attachment 3614327

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the max I ever can do no-till is three grows.
Then I gotta dump more of my magic compost into the mix.
No-till for a yr or so, then re-amend with amended leaf-compost.
Beautiful dark green for that plant by the way, very nice.

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Lawlus this is constructive criticism do not take it as i am attacking you i do not have pictures any more as new pc but have done grows of all kinds using magnetics, de leafing, miracle grow a lot and from know the strain and what she was capable of i saw first hand reduction in yield from plants i stripped leafs off
Truth is everyone is always worried about amount of nutrients, many times all over feeding truth is ..
Its not about the amount you give them its all about the least amount you give them and plants maintain being healthy
once people realize that there yields double ,, The yellowing is normal in plants myth is just that crock of shit not true its opposite its maintaining a healthy plant as long as you can and that alone will not only bring out the best a strain is capable of giving it will also give you the best possible yield that strain is capable of

just saying and yes no till has thrown some curves at me ,, specially indoor out door never a issue but fine tuning it i am thinking my issues are more in the richness of whats coming out of my 3 worm bins so my carbon cycle is unbalanced in door but also i am truthfully moving away from indoor growing all together and more into full year green house growing presently building a diy self sustaining green house that will in fact produce heat in winter growing months With cob supplemental lighting all solar and in ground natural heating lines eventually only thing growing indoor is seedlings and breeding under low power View attachment 3614327

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I agree that keeping the healthiest plant possible is the single best way to get top quality and a solid yield. I'm sure we also would probably agree that feeding "just enough" throughout the life of the plant is far more effective for its overall health and vigor than blasting them with 3.0 EC until the last two weeks and then doing a modern day rain dance by "flushing" the plant. I'm curious about this idea that it's okay for the plant to be yellow, haven't heard that one. In fact, there are likely a lot of things we agree on, it just happens that our experiences have diverged when it comes to this particular issue. All the best to you. Nice plant.

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the max I ever can do no-till is three grows.
Then I gotta dump more of my magic compost into the mix.
No-till for a yr or so, then re-amend with amended leaf-compost.
Beautiful dark green for that plant by the way, very nice.

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I've just about been fully sold on devoting at least part of my space to an organic, fully-amended mix using only plain water. I've seen some incredible results from really simple raised bed setups both . What's the benefit to no-till aside from overall convenience?

Again law i am not trying to confront you... growing weed can be done in many ways i m just taking it from my experience is all..
I so wish i had harvest results of removing leafs and non what a difference it was i have never had mold issues as that is a disease only time i would see it is more of damping off in seedling stage ,, Yes Grease monkey i am playing around with no till this in green house playing with over 300 gallon raised beds this year is going to be Fun
i am moving away from indoor growing all together like i said probably breed indoor , and that is under low power regular as well as Fem
this is presently what i got going besides the 2 in flower is 12 monster cropped clones Cherry pie for green house, as well as germinating 12 Purple train wreck x Pakistani chitral kush
Some pictures of Diy self sufficient green house i am