Ok, we all know about organics...who's into veganics?

Just found out by talking to a rep at cannabis cup sf the nutrient line I'm using is veganic. Thought it was pretty cool anyone else out there into veganics? What are the pros and cons of going veganic? I'm a meat eater so wondering what the hype is.

The hype is mostly expensive nute lines.

You can do a veganics grow on the cheap with soil amendments, but of course you will be doing it wrong if you don't spend the $$$ on the bottled nutes.

To me, it's like a 'flavor of the week' for inexperienced organic growers. It sounds cool, so out come the wallets.

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not on board with veganics. The reason is because The nutes are too expensive, i dont like that. I feel like im being robbed by the nutrient companys. Not just that but my organic results are absolutly fuckin beautiful, i wouldnt change a thing. well maybe new strains from time to time.

matt rize is into veganics isn't he??
haven't seen him around in a minute though now i think about him..

I didn't buy my line because of its veganic roots, but because it was organic. I switched from advanced (i know I now hey I used to be in it for the $$$) and pure blend and I am not spending anymore than before. Especially over the advanced. the up front cost is about the same but my nutes last me for almost 2 grows instead of one. I just have to pick up an extra product or 2.

I am growing veganic based on matts thread. It is a bit lower yield as I'm new at it still but quality is very high indeed. His thread is a sticky here. I am taking veganics to the 100% organic level and trying to source OMRI if possible. Certifiable veganic IWE yum! Just to be clear the "ic" still means organic, a lot of people seem to forget this and throw in a synth product or 2 or use vegan liquids which contain small amounts of synth then say its organic still, just because their grow is vegan. Also, most people still use some animal products in the mix itself and still consider the medicine veganic.

Kalyx said:

I am growing veganic based on matts thread. It is a bit lower yield as I'm new at it still but quality is very high indeed. His thread is a sticky here. I am taking veganics to the 100% organic level and trying to source OMRI if possible. Certifiable veganic IWE yum! Just to be clear the "ic" still means organic, a lot of people seem to forget this and throw in a synth product or 2 or use vegan liquids which contain small amounts of synth then say its organic still, just because their grow is vegan. Also, most people still use some animal products in the mix itself and still consider the medicine veganic.

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I'm using grower's secret line they have a bio-stimulant in their products which I have been using for a few years that can really help with yields and is omri certified...you can buy just the stimulant its called grower's secret professional

Not jumping on this train. Sorry. A couple of the products I use, when i even use them are "veganic" but thats about it. Totally fine with what I'm doing now...Great soil works wonders. IT'S JUST A PLANT.

true its just a plant beeb but some people are very conscious to what they ingest especially those who like to make edibles due to lung conditions.

biocanna is expensive, but i just picked up a gallon of the biothrive bloom for $36, i certainly don't think that is pricey at all. I'm really liking the GO line too, i dropped biocanna and am saving a ton. I also don't use much of the bottled nutes. Heavily ammended soilless mix + ACT's and i really don't need any bottled nutes in veg. Flower i alternate teas with nute feedings + Aptus.

I was strictly plant based for about a year, delicious buds but nothing i hadn't experienced when using blood/bone/guanos and i couldn't get the yields i needed (a little less sweet without the guanos).

Kushman's nute lines seems to be indefinitely held up....

blue j you seem to have your stuff down but you are hardly organic...i looked into aptus but they are not organic (despite the label). I heard an interview with their science guy and he said multiple times they are not organic. I'm not really into the veganics thing (im an omnivore) but I am definitely really strict on what I put into my plants making sure it's organic. The one thing about the GO line that bothers me is molybendum which is toxic

It's european organic LOL, but yes you are right and i'm still messin' around with it and only continue to do so because so little is used per 5gal. Here's what the socal rep Rob told me: ....aw shit i lost that email lol, basically came down to being "organo-mineral based" and is listed OMRI in europe but not in US because of the minerals. There brocures will read like this :100% active ingredients, fully organic & organo-mineral, no artificial/synthetic ingredients, built to mimic natural biological processes.

It's all about their L-amino acids & high bio-availability, their fasilitor & bloomboost have molybdenum, i don't use either (i use protekt & GO bio-bud in place), but i think some products in the GO line also have molybdenum?

Making FPE's (which is what veganic lines are doing) is an extremely cheap process... if you have a little time and patience to experiment you can no doubt replicate what is done with a veganic line...

That being said, the lines are expensive, and still aren't perfect for every plant.. which make no sense considering how much is invested into the line...

The practice of veganics itself is extraordinary. It's supposed to increase animal husbandry with longterm use as well as improve soil conditions in areas that were known to be difficult to grow in. The effective microorganisms used within veganics are really the backbone.. from there you can compost, you can create fertilizers, you can create pesticides, (you can clean up nasty septic problems) etc... once these relationships are established farmers can actually maintain their farms at a more efficient cost and time per acreage than you can by relying on animal waste and tilling techniques.

Veganics is a deep rabbit hole to delve into... the French have been known to use the practice for centuries on their grapes (French wine anyone?) and it's been used in eastern cultures (Koreans mainly), but has mainly come into the main stream in the last 60 years.

biocanna has been around for a longtime and makes a consistent reliable product, so know that you will not be buying into some practice that doesn't work. You will spend for it though, when in reality FPE are supposed to be the most cost efficient way of doing agriculture.

I don't even think ProteKt is Euro-organic LOL. Straight up synth, but still vegan. Oh I see GO is organo-mineral, sounds like ionic nutrition to me still. Its easy to see why so many are getting confused when everyone is blurring the lines with key-word marketing campaigns and calling not 100% organic cultivation loosely organic still. My focus is still and will remain 100% organic first then everything else past that seems to be a mix of preference and ethics both VERY personal things to define.

Yeah there's a big (and often confused) difference in the gardening world between organic and organic-based. Almost to the point of needing a sub-forum

I use BioCanna still, even though I am looking at some other alternatives. By itself, it is too weak to use alone. I ended up coming off the Veganic bandwagon. I use mostly veganic with a few other supplements, mostly budswell, nn nitrogen, and a few other things that I'm trying out. With higher levels of phos and nitrogen though... it works fucking awesome, lol. I brew just started brewing a simple EWC Tea for my seedlings, and I add 1 cup/gal into my nutes I feed my other plants. They love it a lot. Gonna slowly start buidling up my tea to suit my needs, but I tell you what, everything loved the EWC tea, especially the seedlings, lol.

Trying out Age Old organics in a test grow to see how they compare. It has a lot higher levels of phos in flowering so hopefully it will excell where BioCanna fails, lol. If it does, say bye bye to BioCanna, lol.

I decided to give the plant based regimen a go & ran the Natures Nectar line along with AACT's, Hygrozyme, and for a bloom boost, Soluble Seaweed and Humboldt Bloom 0-10-0... Results were awesome and more than i was expecting; yield, flavor, potency, and resin production were stallar!! Brix levels and flavanoids are flowing!! I got $40/ gals of the NN N P and K and still have plenty left, so i don think the price was that bad.

Gonna dilute my teas this round at around 1-3 since i use them every other feeding till mid flower; other than that things will stay the same in my garden!!

Plants were green as can be all the way till the end too!! Soil life was proper!! Happy Gardening!!

The hype is that vegaic plants are hipsters and wear deep cut v neck t-shirts. They will also grow ironic mustaches and drink PBR.

Im using the earth juice line. Couldn't be happier. What turned me away from NN is the fact they add inorganic compounds into their ingredients. But i used a gallon of NN(potassium) before and it always foamed up really nice when i added it to my teas or water. I Bought a gallon of the maxicrop liquid seaweed and im not sure i like it as much yet. Gonna have to use it some more to see.

Da Almighty Jew said:

Im using the earth juice line. Couldn't be happier. What turned me away from NN is the fact they add inorganic compounds into their ingredients. But i used a gallon of NN(potassium) before and it always foamed up really nice when i added it to my teas or water. I Bought a gallon of the maxicrop liquid seaweed and im not sure i like it as much yet. Gonna have to use it some more to see.

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I'm trying out maxicrop liquid for the first time... used the dry in the past with no problems. Just trying to find out what's cheaper than liquid karma ; ;