Ok, I am genuienly asking for your input. Four foot tall indoor cfl grow.

My arms rubbed up against a few flowers and the ladies smell so sour.

Ive done it your way for 10 years before Ninja then i switched to my method of 2 weeks INTO bloom and then pruning. Works best for me with no mumbo jumbo math.... plants never skip a beat and hit similar numbers as Subcool does with his room. So we can agree to disagree, im fine with that.

BeastGrow said:

cfls will work good i just find it so much work to move all the individual lights... too many potential fall hazards around the plants for me

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precisely why i stopped flowering with those piece of shits. They work; dont get me wrong and i still use em for veg. But that will soon change with an LED.

Ive done it your way for 10 years before Ninja then i switched to my method of 2 weeks INTO bloom and then pruning. Works best for me with no mumbo jumbo math.... plants never skip a beat and hit similar numbers as Subcool does with his room. So we can agree to disagree, im fine with that.

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I have never used the "mumbo jumbo math" to get where I'm at, I was simply putting it on paper for you. My math wasn't very accurate anyway, I think the % of growing time(13%) is actually higher than I figured, I made a mistake by calculating the number of days in a week as 10 days. No sense in arguing about it though if you don't care to keep an open mind to the concept. Your plants obviously do skip a beat based on your methods but if you feel otherwise then more power to you, I'm not trying to bash your technique. Now that you mention Subcool I see clearly where you are coming from... lmao

I agree to disagree.

Keysareme... Sorry for jacking your thread, glad your ladies are smelling nice!

Ninja Mechanics said:

I have never used the "mumbo jumbo math" to get where I'm at, I was simply putting it on paper for you. My math wasn't very accurate anyway, I think the % of growing time(13%) is actually higher than I figured, I made a mistake by calculating the number of days in a week as 10 days. No sense in arguing about it though if you don't care to keep an open mind to the concept. Your plants obviously do skip a beat based on your methods but if you feel otherwise then more power to you, I'm not trying to bash your technique. Now that you mention Subcool I see clearly where you are coming from... lmao

I agree to disagree.

Keysareme... Sorry for jacking your thread, glad your ladies are smelling nice!

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Your ridiculous... when your pruning your plants in veg when there main goal is to grow branches your shocking your plant way more then 2 weeks into bloom when they switch over to producing BUDS and could care less if you trim branchrs off bottom. End of lesson! No more uneducated math or inexperienced info from you anymore Ninja, thank you very much...

Wow. I have no time for ignorance or people who fail to understand what I'm talking about, for those who don't understand and would like to learn, I'm all ears, as for you, just butt out please. Dude who started the thread seems to agree with me somewhat so maybe you should just chill out, smoke some weed why don't ya? Its not the end of the world. I would appreciate it if you would be a bit more respectable about it in any case. You don't see me saying "hey stop talking nobody cares what you have to say", how disrespectful to myself and the others reading along. I'm taking your points as best I can and considering them but I just don't agree with what you have to say. Now that your coming off like a complete asshole about the whole situation I really don't care what you have to say one bit.

Ive done it your way for 10 years before Ninja then i switched to my method of 2 weeks INTO bloom and then pruning.

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Your ridiculous... when your pruning your plants in veg when there main goal is to grow branches your shocking your plant way more then 2 weeks into bloom when they switch over to producing BUDS and could care less if you trim branchrs off bottom.

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^^Contradiction anyone?

So let me attempt to make sense of your argument once more so I fully understand where you are coming from...

You just stated the point of vegging is to grow branches. So how is it beneficial to remove branches during the oh so very sensitive flowering period? Please do explain that one for me, sounds like you just contradicted your main point of argument.

Um your contradiction or attempt is a FAIL. They both say the same thing. 2 weeks into bloom once the plant stretches and starts to bloom is the EXACT time to prune, not that you cant prune some before bloom or right at bloom but final pruning should be done after stretch or around 2 weeks into bloom. So Ninja you think pruning 10 days before bloom doesnt shock the plant when its trying to produce branches but you think trimming branches when the plants main goal is to produce bud is worse? I do understand what your pushing but its not the right information, sorry i may be an asshole but at least my grow information is right. The benefit of removing branches during bloom is to get rid of all the larf branches which gives energy to tops, more air circulation, no low light stress branches(sorry i forgot takes a experienced grower to know that), can take the exact amount branches off based on light penetration. NO shock is caused by pruning the lowers off during bloom unless maybe your plants were unhealthy to begin with Ninja?

Oh yeah and i am a WEED NERD and proud of it!!!

How and where did I contradict myself? PLEASE point that out, I seemed to have missed it. I sure did not miss where you just chased your own tail though. Please point out where I said that pruning 10 days prior to flower does not shock the plant? Please, point that out to me. I seemed to have misunderstood my own words. lmao. You sir, are wasting mine and everyone elses time with your badmouthing and egotistical, illogical pathetic excuse of an argument. Goodbye.

What happened to agreeing to disagree? Obviously you and I will not be seeing face to face anytime soon, I can live with that, why can't you? Don't let your ego get the best of you...

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How and where did I contradict myself? PLEASE point that out, I seemed to have missed it. I sure did not miss where you just chased your own tail though. Please point out where I said that pruning 10 days prior to flower does not shock the plant? Please, point that out to me. I seemed to have misunderstood my own words. lmao. You sir, are wasting mine and everyone elses time with your badmouthing and egotistical, illogical pathetic excuse of an argument. Goodbye.

What happened to agreeing to disagree? Obviously you and I will not be seeing face to face anytime soon, I can live with that, why can't you? Don't let your ego get the best of you...

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Sorry if your feelings got hurt. Your obviously frustrated. You posted 2 of my comments and say there a contradiction and i say there the same thing, you wrote it only few hours ago... Its whatever, i see you on here arguing with everybody in alot of your posts. Ego??? not sure how stating your wrong about some stuff has anything to do with ego...well just leave it at agreeing to disagree.

My feelings are not hurt. There is a difference between arguing and healthy discussion. I am always open to other opinions, thoughts, methods etc, which is why I ask questions and post my opinion in detail.
Seems to me like you are speaking in defense of yourself, as if I was attacking you, which is the exact opposite of how this harmless discussion has turned out, I think you may be the one who got their feelings hurt.

Everybody has an ego, not everybody lets theirs get to their head...

Apologies everybody who is reading this public discussion(what was a discussion). This was not my intention what so ever. Please forgive booms111 and myself.

Now lets break this down just because you still don't see the issues I have with your comments...

Ive done it your way for 10 years before Ninja then i switched to my method of 2 weeks INTO bloom and then pruning.

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^^ Here you state that your experience has led you to this method, more power to you. You trim your plants two weeks after they start flowering, mainly to reduce the "larf buds", correct?

My argument is based on the plants growth hormones which they produce. Those hormones are distributed through out the plant. Cutting plant material off upsets this balance, plain and simple. The more balanced the plant is internally, the better off you are when it come to inducing flower. Why do I think you are better off? Because I have observed plants that are better off doing it this way as apposed to the method you are suggesting is superior. Your method is simply based on trying to reduce the larfy buds. My method is aimed at increasing overall plant performance. To me, plant performance pertains to things such as yields, consistent potency and all around vigor throughout the flowering period, as well as things to a lesser degree like sensitive plants that like to throw bananas due to known and unknown stresses. I know that pruning is a stress factor, there for it makes a lot more sense to me to prune prior to flowering, allowing the plant some recovery time as apposed to pruning during flower which allows for no recovery time, the plant just has to bite the bullet and recover during the most crucial point in a indoor cannabis plants life. Why is it crucial? Because efficiency is the name of the gamer here IMO. The only reason I continue to argue your method is because you keep insisting that it is superior to the method I am trying to lay out for everyone here that is interested in the matter.

Your ridiculous... when your pruning your plants in veg when there main goal is to grow branches your shocking your plant way more then 2 weeks into bloom when they switch over to producing BUDS and could care less if you trim branchrs off bottom.

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^^ Here you call me ridiculous, I must say that is a bit unnecessary for someone who is claiming to be so professional, trying to help people shed light on their curiosity. Secondly, you state the main goal of vegging is to grow branches, cutting them off two weeks prior still stresses them, you state that the stress follows through much longer than two weeks. Here is my point... you are suggesting due to your methods that you prefer the plant be stressed out during flowering? You think chopping branches off during flowering is not upsetting the plants delicate internal balance? That is what you are suggesting, if not, please continue to explain.

Again, more confusion on my part.... If vegging is the time period you want branches to grow, why do you cut those branches off during flower? You just wasted all that energy the plant used to grow those branches. I get why you are cutting the branches off, to reduce the larfy buds. What I don't understand and am trying to comprehend is where on earth you learned it is more efficient to upset the plant during its flower production. I see more cons than pros in your method. I also see some areas of misunderstanding in your explanations of such. Hence the quotes where you contradict your own words and understanding...

On another completely unrelated but crucial point, cutting plant material off causes the plant to have to repair itself. The plant uses nitrogen among other elements and compounds to repair it self. Nitrogen is very crucial during the flowering stage. That is a fact jack. Aside from nitrogen loss, you also open up breeding grounds for disease if you are growing in conditions that favor the spread of various diseases. Again, more cons to add to the list.

EDIT; Oh and please forgive me, I didn't mean to sign up here and start arguing with everyone and disagreeing. I should have signed up to only come here and waste my time by agreeing with every single thing I read. Duh! How stupid of me, I thought this was a place of learning and discussion. Shoot me now...

Ninja you have your opinion i have mine. both of us saying there method is based on experience. im not wasting anymore energy on you, people can read the posts and read other sources and can determine whos right on there own through findings/experiences.

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Wow. I have no time for ignorance or people who fail to understand what I'm talking about, for those who don't understand and would like to learn, I'm all ears, as for you, just butt out please. Dude who started the thread seems to agree with me somewhat so maybe you should just chill out, smoke some weed why don't ya? Its not the end of the world. I would appreciate it if you would be a bit more respectable about it in any case. You don't see me saying "hey stop talking nobody cares what you have to say", how disrespectful to myself and the others reading along. I'm taking your points as best I can and considering them but I just don't agree with what you have to say. Now that your coming off like a complete asshole about the whole situation I really don't care what you have to say one bit.





^^Contradiction anyone?

So let me attempt to make sense of your argument once more so I fully understand where you are coming from...

You just stated the point of vegging is to grow branches. So how is it beneficial to remove branches during the oh so very sensitive flowering period? Please do explain that one for me, sounds like you just contradicted your main point of argument.

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It's not possible, he knows everything .

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hsfkush said:

I've seen huge yields on CFL grows, I don't know what you're talking about. CFL's produce some good solid bud, it's just all about the light penetration.

If the lights are positioned well, like the OP says his/her's are, then as long as you look after the plant, she'll perform to a decent standard.

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What you call huge and what I call huge is two different things.

Yes I do know what I'm talking about I grew with CFL when I started. then went strait to 1,000W grow lights and have not looked back.

You just dont grow buds the size of your arm with CFL.

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It should go ok with the 400w hid. Usually when plants get over 3 foot indoor you need 1000w hid to penetrate the lower branches. Its a nice plant but don't expect a big harvest, you need a 1000w at temps below 80 to get the heavy hard buds.

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That is correct, big lights = big buds. Cant wait till summer and wont need any stinking lights.

Can't y'all get along?

AimAim said:

Can't y'all get along?

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x2,

good job hijacking this thread boys. Im pretty sure the forum has a million threads and posts filled with the same debate over and over... this is not the place. Let this gent grow and show, take your intrusive opinions else where.

Hey I'm all for getting along. On with the show, that is why I'm here.

Listen to Ninja

Hey Keysareme got some updated pics of your girls?

This is what 300 watts of CFL's did for me. 77 days from seed.

I want to see how the 90 watt led is helping out your grow.
Peace

Nice show skinnysmoke. I've never budded with CFL's but your show fits my math. 320 watts of CFL can produce good bud.