og or kush

are og and kush the same thing I see a lot of og strains and a lot of kush strains are they the same?

OG refers to a group of cuts and S1's and probably some F1's that originate from the late 80's/early 90's and were prolific in Southern California. "OG Kush" became a widely used misnomer for these plants. Nobody really knows the origins of OG, so the "Kush" part likely got added because it sounded cool, rather than the plants actually containing any Kush genetics. OG's are not Kush, despite the name.

Kush refers to either Hindu Kush, or Bubba Kush type plants.

Bubba Kush plants share a similar squat stance and bud structure, and usually turn purple, and have a calming effect. They are easily recognized I think.

Hindu Kush plants... I'm really not sure. True Hindu Kush plants are more of an indica landrace sort of thing. SoCal Master Kush is an example of this? When I think Hindu Kush, I'm thinking about those 80's/90's releases from SSSC/Nevil. Old school, more landrace type stuff.

But yes the names are completely f***ked for these plants, and cause a lot of confusion.

It gets even more confusing when you throw "headband" into the mix. Some headbands are OG's and others are chem crosses, and no one seems to know the true backstories.

There's 2 types really in the "kush" realm, thin leaf og kush or broad leaf og kush
OG usually refers to viney, 3-5 fingers, spear shaped cola plants (triangle kush)
Kush is a squat broad leaf, 7-9 fingers, dense compact buds plants (bubba kush, purple kush)
But there's so much in between

fishwater said:

are og and kush the same thing I see a lot of og strains and a lot of kush strains are they the same?

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“OG Kush” is a clone-only strain that came from Florida in the early 90s and became popular in LA in the late 90s/ 2000s, it was originally dubbed “kush” in the early 90s but later renamed “OG kush” by the group that originally propagated it to distinguish it from all the other knock-offs floating around at that time. There are many variations and/ or s1s such as Tahoe and SFV and many OG kush crosses that’s why there so many strains with OG in the name.

Strains with the word “kush” in the name have been around for a long time perhaps since the 80s but definitely since 1991 with Sensi Seeds “Hindu Kush” strain.

The confusing part is that because The mountain range in Afghanistan is called Hindu Kush people associate the term Kush with pure Indica or Afghani genetics when arguable the most popular “kush” strain of all, “OG kush” is usually estimated to be a 60/40 hybrid.

fishwater said:

are og and kush the same thing I see a lot of og strains and a lot of kush strains are they the same?

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No the OG kush is a kush hybrid the only real true kushes are plants from the hindu kush region and that spans many countries hence the kush name if used correctly which it is often not like in the case of OG anyway supposedly OG kush and triangle kush have a little of sensis Hindu kush in them but it's not a pure kush nor does og grow anything like it the best bits of it however do come from that side of things imo

fishwater said:

are og and kush the same thing I see a lot of og strains and a lot of kush strains are they the same?

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No.

Before Bubba and OG Kush there were strains named Kush that came from the Kush geographical region, a lot of Afghani strains were referred to as Kush. The folks who came out with OG Kush and Bubba Kush threw in the name Kush because it sounded cool. OG and Bubba may have some genes from that region but are not true Kushes or the original Kush strains.

budtoker221 said:

“OG Kush” is a clone-only strain that came from Florida in the early 90s and became popular in LA in the late 90s/ 2000s, it was originally dubbed “kush” in the early 90s but later renamed “OG kush” by the group that originally propagated it to distinguish it from all the other knock-offs floating around at that time. There are many variations and/ or s1s such as Tahoe and SFV and many OG kush crosses that’s why there so many strains with OG in the name.

Strains with the word “kush” in the name have been around for a long time perhaps since the 80s but definitely since 1991 with Sensi Seeds “Hindu Kush” strain.

The confusing part is that because The mountain range in Afghanistan is called Hindu Kush people associate the term Kush with pure Indica or Afghani genetics when arguable the most popular “kush” strain of all, “OG kush” is usually estimated to be a 60/40 hybrid.

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Kush has been around a long time. There is a mountain range in India that is named Hindu Kush Mountain Range. That is where the Hindu Kush strain comes from that was bred into the OG effectively making it OG Kush.

That OG/triangle cola shape is very distinct though.. can spot it a mile away when growing a strain.

Mumbeltypeg said:

That OG/triangle cola shape is very distinct though.. can spot it a mile away when growing a strain.

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It's like a spear tip!

SouthFloridaGenetics said:

Kush has been around a long time. There is a mountain range in India that is named Hindu Kush Mountain Range. That is where the Hindu Kush strain comes from that was bred into the OG effectively making it OG Kush.

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From what I gather the parents of OG Kush are unknown, except that it was started from a bag seed of a strain called “Supernaut” Crippy from Miami in 1992. This is what they say if you listen to the interviews of the OG Kush crew they’ve done podcasts in recent years, they say if Sensi’s Hindu Kush is a parent than that’s coincidental and apparently just speculation.

Everyone is on point with their responses. Unfortunately many of the older strains have a vague history because it was risky to archive data that could incriminate you.

I loved smoking OG Kush when I was a teen. I remember it was very popular back then. These days I stay away from strains that are "trending".

Yea the history of these old strains and genetic lineage is always a bit vague haha …
..and there are at least several different varieties from around or near the Hindu Kush region AFAIK such as Mazar, Kandahar, Chitral..

Sensi Seeds says their “Hindu Kush” is a pure indica and their marketing makes it sound like a landrace or heirloom indica..
However it looks like they just renamed The Seed Bank’s “Northern Lights #2” seed line which they said they had been inbreeding and backcrossing for a number of years.

Here is the description of Northern Lights #2 from The Seed Bank catalogue 1990:

Northern Lights #2 F-3
The progress in the N L # 2 line has been tremendous this year. The backcrossing and inbreeding has now produced an F-3 of remarkably pure Hindu Kush phenotype, with just a hint of sweet piney Sativa mixed with the rich Kush pungency. We find the NL#2 to have surprising vigor for an inbred line, the quality is unsurpassed. It has become one of our favorite smokes, every generation is a new delight. Wonderfully potent, but usually not devastating, the bright Sativa notes also come through in the high. An absolute must for the connoisseur or the collector. Adapted for quick indoor flowering, but also does well outdoors with a long season.

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…Here’s the Sensi Seeds 1991 catalogue description for “Hindu Kush”:

HINDU KUSH
After years of inbreeding and backcrossing the Hindu Kush is now available as a pure strain. The seedlings are very even and consistent, an excellent indoor variety for crops from seed. Wonderfully potent, but not devastating, very mild for an indica.

PenisBuilt said:

Don't worry, all these strains have been categorized very well by a very large company. It's only hobby growers and drug dealers who are confused.

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I don't know if you're talking about the dna sequencing places. I think the only thing we learned from that was there wasn't actually any chemdog in og kush, which is what people assumed for the longest time.

budtoker221 said:

From what I gather the parents of OG Kush are unknown, except that it was started from a bag seed of a strain called “Supernaut” Crippy from Miami in 1992. This is what they say if you listen to the interviews of the OG Kush crew they’ve done podcasts in recent years, they say if Sensi’s Hindu Kush is a parent than that’s coincidental and apparently just speculation.

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According to the tk guys it's in there listen to the podcast episode they talk about it

MtRainDog said:

I don't know if you're talking about the dna sequencing places. I think the only thing we learned from that was there wasn't actually any chemdog in og kush, which is what people assumed for the longest time.

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Did one of those places not say that chem and OG share relation through rob Clarke's Afghani at somepoint it could be bs but I think I remember reading it somewhere

conor c said:

Did one of those places not say that chem and OG share relation through rob Clarke's Afghani at somepoint it could be bs but I think I remember reading it somewhere

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Yeah I think I've read that common ancestry claim before. Who knows though right? I mean hell, any plant bred in the 80's was likely to have some ghani in it, since that was the overwhelming trend to shorten flower times.

I've read lots of speculation over the years about what the actual parentage is. I think something like afghani/NL/sensi star/hindu kush genetics are likely a part of it, but that's like half a million other strains too. Just the right mash-up and secret sauce of those old lines.

MtRainDog said:

Yeah I think I've read that common ancestry claim before. Who knows though right? I mean hell, any plant bred in the 80's was likely to have some ghani in it, since that was the overwhelming trend to shorten flower times.

I've read lots of speculation over the years about what the actual parentage is. I think something like afghani/NL/sensi star/hindu kush genetics are likely a part of it, but that's like half a million other strains too. Just the right mash-up and secret sauce of those old lines.

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True that mate some of the best are still a mystery