obama's DOE has better rate of success than bain capital

so, just to point ot one of romney's many, many, many lies last night, let's take this one for example:

You put $90 billion into -- into green jobs. And -- and I -- look, I'm all in favor of green energy. Ninety billion (dollars) -- that -- that would have -- that would have hired 2 million teachers. Ninety billion dollars. And these businesses -- many of them have gone out of business. I think about half of them, of the ones have been invested in, they've gone out of business.

so, this is a lie. how de we know it, besides that it came out of romney's mouth?

empirical data, that's how.

obama had an 83% success rate with his DOE investing in green energy companies.

http://finance.fortune.cnn.com/2012/10/04/mitt-romney-keeps-solyndra-canard-alive/

romney had a 78% success rate at bain capital.

http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/tygrrrr-express/2012/may/23/mitt-romney-and-bain-capital-what-liberals-still-d/

but we have two weeks to dissect the many, many, many lies that came out of willard's mouth last night, which dumbass righties like NLXSK and beenthere no doubt gobbled up as if it were their pastor's shriveled old cock.

If the link didn't come from Mother Jones, I won't read it.

its just the feast of fools. everything romney said was a lie, him and all his supporters just get off on pointing out how shitty obama is, which he kind of is if you sit down and think about it, he can only go so far as his puppet masters allow him, like how he gave a HUGE bail out for the banks, and auto industry, and cut back on social services, that isnt a very people loving, people supporting move, thats a pro-capitalist oligarchy move, and that oligarchy is what is know as the "1 percent" which is also a stupid statement because there are middle class people that get by in the 99 and also homeless, jobless people and immigrants that have nothing, which are two totally different social classes in my opinion, but i agree with the fact that the minority has the majority of the resources of the world.

The New Jim Jones said:

its just the feast of fools. everything romney said was a lie, him and all his supporters just get off on pointing out how shitty obama is, which he kind of is if you sit down and think about it, he can only go so far as his puppet masters allow him, like how he gave a HUGE bail out for the banks, and auto industry, and cut back on social services, that isnt a very people loving, people supporting move, thats a pro-capitalist oligarchy move, and that oligarchy is what is know as the "1 percent" which is also a stupid statement because there are middle class people that get by in the 99 and also homeless, jobless people and immigrants that have nothing, which are two totally different social classes in my opinion, but i agree with the fact that the minority has the majority of the resources of the world.

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Everything? Got evidence? Most of the fact checking articles I've seen have both Obama and Romney sharing in the dishonesty department. But that is the ploy Obama is using on the trail now, and sure, it probably works for someone who just got their ass handed to them. He probably blamed his teachers and professors for any bad grades he made too.

but UB the sum of his investemetns is summed up by its worst one . . . it doesnt matter that 83% worked out . . . .only that the one didint

brotherjericho said:

Everything? Got evidence? Most of the fact checking articles I've seen have both Obama and Romney sharing in the dishonesty department. But that is the ploy Obama is using on the trail now, and sure, it probably works for someone who just got their ass handed to them. He probably blamed his teachers and professors for any bad grades he made too.

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ignoring the snide tone of your post, fact is that romney told many, many lies. i saw obama nowhere near that level.

for every "lie" that obama told in that debate, i will reciprocate 2 romney lies in return.

".......where you put your money is probably where your heart is....." Romney

" expensive things hurt families" Romney

Samwell Seed Well said:

" expensive things hurt families" Romney

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that line stuck out to me. now that you point it out, even more.

a line that out of touch seems like his best attempt at relating to us "common folk" who serve the drinks at his $50k per plate event.

the most expensive things that a family buys, such as a home or a car or a college education, help families.

i am starting to think that there is no way obama was that stupid in that debate. maybe he was just high and shit, but i think he was giving romney every chance to hang himself (rope a dope) and got precious little.

i mean, kill big bird is great, but little gems like "expensive things hurt families" is even more to the point of who this guy is. so out of touch. never punched a clock like a non-silver-spooned person has.

romney talked himslef into a corner, obama let him hang himself

the illogical fallacy applied to who won the debate is luaghable

Obama definitely didn't do well but he didn't do bad either---- neutral in my book

Romney on the other hand just talked and talked and talked . . imho didnt say much of anyhting but "i want the best for you" que smile regan shit . . as even when he was asked about how his plan for health care and Obamas plan for health care were similar but different he listed

his plan excepts previous conditions-like obamas

his plan allows kids to stay on with parents plan- like Obama


then he instantly changed the subject, from the differences in their plans to . . . . . "i want all familes to have affordable inssureance" . . a line that continued to go off topic....he siad nothing

then there was the , voucher for kids to go to school, but he wants to make states pay for education

all he did was contradict himself and agree with Obama, they both did the we agree on this type positions before showing any contrast

if obama wants the election he needs to get serious with solutions to the economic crisis and jobs and not vague and ineffective like Romney's Bush V 2.0 economic plans

The government is not supposed to pick winners and losers. The government is not a venture capital firm borrowing money from China to pay for it's pet projects.

Secondly, much of the money went to companies that had Obama donors as investors. They were typical sleezy Chicago corruption kickback deals.

Notice how Uncle Buck had nothing to say until he went and got his talking points from the liberal media... ROFLMAO!

i wonder who signed most of those loans . . was it a regan . . . .

thats right until the tree falls in sight it never makes a sound . . . . . .even if UB is parroting Liberal media . . how can a sane business man say Obama's presidency was a bad investor when it simply wasnt

what ever the circumstances of the conspiracy's are


oh thats right you mow lawns . . . . .

NLXSK1 said:

The government is not supposed to pick winners and losers. The government is not a venture capital firm borrowing money from China to pay for it's pet projects.

Secondly, much of the money went to companies that had Obama donors as investors. They were typical sleezy Chicago corruption kickback deals.

Notice how Uncle Buck had nothing to say until he went and got his talking points from the liberal media... ROFLMAO!

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You recite talking points so damned well man, seriously you should pursue a career as a GOP spokesperson.

Our government has invested in the private sector for a long damned time man. It hardly started when Obama took office. The government has invested in emerging technology for a while.

The beginings o f the national rail system, NASA Apollo program, etc. etc.

dont bring up the obvious, please ink

ink the world said:

You recite talking points so damned well man, seriously you should pursue a career as a GOP spokesperson.

Our government has invested in the private sector for a long damned time man. It hardly started when Obama took office. The government has invested in emerging technology for a while.

The beginings o f the national rail system, NASA Apollo program, etc. etc.

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(1) Just because the government has been investing in the private sector for some time now, does this mean it is right to do in a bad economy when we are deep in debt, particularly when the ROI is nebulous?
(2) Since when was NASA in the private sector?

UncleBuck said:

ignoring the snide tone of your post, fact is that romney told many, many lies. i saw obama nowhere near that level.

for every "lie" that obama told in that debate, i will reciprocate 2 romney lies in return.

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Tits or GTFO. In other words, prove it.

If Obama told 50% of the lies, its because Obama barely spoke on anything of substance. He came unprepared.

Obama lies...

"I will reduce the deficit by half by the end of my first term* (he has doubled the deficit...)

To find out who shaded the truth most, TIME asked each campaign for a list of its rival’s worst deceptions. After examining those claims and consulting independent fact-checking websites, we selected some of the most prominent falsehoods and prevarications of the 2012 campaign*—at least so far. Compared with the Obama campaign’s, the Romney operation’s misstatements are frequently more brazen. But sometimes the most effective lie is the one that is closest to the truth, and Obama’s team has often outdone Romney’s in the dark art of subtle distortion. On both sides, the dishonesty is “about as bad as I’ve seen,” says veteran journalist Brooks Jackson, director of FactCheck.org.

(Cover Story: The Fact Wars — Blue Truth, Red Truth)
The lying game unfolds on many –levels. Campaigns obfuscate, twist the truth and exaggerate. They exploit complexity. Most of all, they look for details—real or unreal—that validate our suspicions. There was no Obama “apology tour,” but the canard flourished because some voters are wary about his sense of American exceptionalism. If you read the whole paragraph, the President’s “You didn’t build that” riff seems a lot more reasonable, but context fell victim to a perception that Obama disdains free enterprise. Bain was never the beneficiary of a taxpayer bailout, and yet 75% of Americans believe the contrary, partly because Democrats have cast Romney as the kind of plutocrat for whom the rules are rigged.
Even for the most open-minded and informed voters, truth is often subjective. Discerning it is that much harder when the campaigns cater to two different groups of voters who seem to prefer two very different sets of facts.
* These quotes come from the candidates or campaign ads they personally approved, with the exception of the Obama team’s claim about Bain Consulting, which was repeated by Vice President Biden

brotherjericho said:

(1) Just because the government has been investing in the private sector for some time now, does this mean it is right to do in a bad economy when we are deep in debt, particularly when the ROI is nebulous?
(2) Since when was NASA in the private sector?

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1. The ROI is jobs, money being pumped into the economy and the taxes paid by all involved. 2. The Apollo program utilized private sector companies, many of which only existed because of government investment. Its a pretty well documented fact man.

The Question of Character
The great irony in this curious chapter in American politics is that both campaigns have made telling the truth a central message and a core qualification in each man’s case to be President. In the run-up to the first of three debates in October, both campaigns charged that deceptions by the other guy would be a window into his essential character. “He’s trying to fool people,” Romney told reporters on his plane. “Facts will matter,” said Obama aide David Axelrod in a memo in response.
As a strategic matter, this makes sense; the best defense is often a strong offense. But when politicians speak of truth telling in such high-minded terms, they risk hypocrisy. In the final weeks of September, Obama seemed to acknowledge this risk by admitting in an interview with CBS News that his campaign sometimes goes “overboard” and that this is something that “happens in politics.” Romney has refused to waver. “We’ve been absolutely spot on,” he told

Read more: http://swampland.time.com/2012/10/03/blue-truth-red-truth/#ixzz28QbiO0LO

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being able to admit your in the wrong is a must . . .Romney fails . .as usual

ink the world said:

1. The ROI is jobs, money being pumped into the economy and the taxes paid by all involved. 2. The Apollo program utilized private sector companies, many of which only existed because of government investment. Its a pretty well documented fact man.

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1) How many US jobs have resulted from green investments?
2) Yes, there are many private companies involved with the government. They are called "contractors". But NASA itself is not a private company, so all you are telling me is that the government is leading the charge and paying contractors to do the real work.