Obama admits to mistake

misshestermoffitt

misshestermoffitt

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People always cry about "the children" and then take a big slurp off their martini.

Regulated sales of marijuana would make it more difficult for children to get ahold of it.

So far the message I see children receiving is that fiscal irresponsibility is rewarded with a big fat government check, and white collar crime is something that is not only overlooked, but barely punished when discovered.
 
CrackerJax

CrackerJax

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It's funny to hear from euro's about the US policies. I guess you don't realize that the US has been floating you for 60 years. Any "nice' standard of living you enjoy emanates from the US.

How about Euro's just concentrate on building a serious economy, at least so they can pay for the defense umbrella the US provides for them.

I literally laughed out loud 2 weeks ago when the Hague announced officially it doesn't have the funds for defense of the EU. Not a priority? Independent security? Oh my.... yah keep throwing stones...that's all you can afford.... :mrgreen:

Butch up and pay your own way in the world. That would save the US oodles of do-re-me. Then perhaps your opines might actually carry weight.


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NewGrowth

NewGrowth

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CrackerJax said:
It's funny to hear from euro's about the US policies. I guess you don't realize that the US has been floating you for 60 years. Any "nice' standard of living you enjoy emanates from the US.

How about Euro's just concentrate on building a serious economy, at least so they can pay for the defense umbrella the US provides for them.

I literally laughed out loud 2 weeks ago when the Hague announced officially it doesn't have the funds for defense of the EU. Not a priority? Independent security? Oh my.... yah keep throwing stones...that's all you can afford.... :mrgreen:

Butch up and pay your own way in the world. That would save the US oodles of do-re-me. Then perhaps your opines might actually carry weight.


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Defense umbrella??!! :lol:
Keep fighting that war on terror Jax and I'll keep hitting my bongbongsmilie
 
CrackerJax

CrackerJax

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What, you think you pay for NATO? :mrgreen:

Hey just google it up.... "EU admits it can't pay for its own defense". there's some very recent articles on it and the admissions are quite hysterical.

The engine which truly powers the planet is located in the United States, not because we are smarter (we're not), no, because we give ANYBODY the opportunity to shine and the economic tools to shine with.

Now that engine is being tampered with and you will all feel the difference. The EU socialist model is nothing short of a model of inefficiency. However, Europe has been the main economic benefactor of the relationship between the US., not the other way around.

So when the engine cools (it will), our allies think they can catch the wind which we have lost, but this is a fallacy and a pipe dream. Europe simply doesn't have the economic setup to take advantage of anything. Europe doesn't even have the funds to protect yourself. This is one of the reasons we see the EU grovel at Russia's feet so easily. The ruskies know the truth as well as we do, so no foolies on the eastern front. They wait and they watch. Patience is a virtue, and if the Russians or Chinese are playing a long chess game, u guys are going to be very f*cked.

Please understand that we as Americans get why you complain. It's a feeling of helplessness which drives you. It's easier to point the finger elsewhere. This is something the EU has learned well. But it's ok....those of us who pay attention know it's merely for local consumption. All of your leaders sing like canaries when they come to Wash......with their hat in their hands.

I get your feeling of helplessness..... I really do. You may want to look at your own Govt. economic models for the reason why.


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Spitzered

Spitzered

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If the EU is so great, why do they look to us for anything? Why when we have economic problems do they get it worse, and not the other way around?
I'm not ready to jump on the EU bandwagon just yet.

Why isn't the Euro the monetary standard? That is why there is even a EU to begin with, to give us competition.

Shhh, don't tell anyone its going to be China, does that mean we should emulate them? The EU is doing their fare share of sending wealth that way also, its not just us.

If the UN is so great why is there constant warfare and genocide in Africa, the UN 'peacekeeping' force is always there to witness to it, but never does anything to stop it. True, they will write a letter condemning it, that's about as far as they go.

And who pays the lions share of the UN, duh? it wouldn't be the US would it.

Does anyone here get out much, I mean to all these places you talk about? Like Europe or the middle east or africa? Just curious.
 
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max420thc

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bradlyallen2 said:
That's because mine is based on fact, your's is based on wishful speculation. I bet my right arm Bush can't find South Dakota on a map either :)
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call all them liberal blogs fact? WHY DONT YOU POST SOME CREDIBLE SOURCES OF INFORMATION...i hope i never get to smoke the stupid weed you are smoking..my weed only makes me high..not stupid
 
110100100

110100100

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Excuse me???

You can't buy crude oil with anything other than the US dollar.

Yes the dollar is a fiat currency in that it's not "technically" backed by anything other than US law but you're a fool if you believe the dollars' value is not backed by crude oil.
 
medicineman

medicineman

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Here is one opinion, I'm sure there are many more:
The West is Broke - Deepak Tripathi
9 oct | In the immediate run, individual governments have largely done what is best for their own economies rather than the global system. In Europe, the Irish Republic, Greece, Spain, Germany, and Britain, have taken unilateral action. Their conduct shatters what was left of the idea of unity in the EU, especially among members of the euro currency zone. In the longer run, the era of deregulation of the kind we have seen in recent years is over. Protectionism in trade has migrated to the world of finance. How far the latest measures will succeed remains to be seen.

What we see is the result of a catastrophic loss of trust in the West. It goes well beyond economics and finance. It is the sincerity of political leaders of the West that is at stake. If those in power in Washington, London and elsewhere cannot be trusted on the critical matters of war and peace, law and justice and treatment of different sections of their own populations, their ability in other areas is bound to be questioned. The leaders of America and its allies have simply become captivated by a doctrine that leaves their economies at home, to be run by the large private institutions that they befriend, while they themselves go and fight wars abroad.
Today, America's wars are financed by money borrowed from China and the oil-rich Gulf states which are awash with petrodollars... And countries like China, Russia and Saudi Arabia, which have accumulated huge reserves in U.S. dollars, don't trust the West. The resentment in the Arab world against the treatment of Muslims by the West is strong. And the government of Iceland criticizes its 'friends' for not doing enough to help it and looks towards Russia to bail it out.
The West is simply broke – morally, politically and economically. [More] . . read more

And this even before the collapse,
 
Spitzered

Spitzered

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110100100 said:
Bullets son...bullets
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I knew that would be the response.

Did they fear Clinton?

That should change during the current administration.

What would be the response in the US be if we attacked say.... Saudia Arabia for going with the Euro, would that fly? Or Russia?

I know I know, there would be a 'false flag' attack against all the other oil producing countries.

With all the crap about Iraq and Afgan. it should embolden them to change without fear. Code Pinko and the like would be on their side.

Oil is the simplistic slogan, its more complicated than that.

GNP, purchasing power, international investment in the US, and stability of the Dollar has a lot to do with it.

Even with US military might I don't think we could take over the world if they chose another currency to support.

http://wfhummel.cnchost.com/dollarstandard.html
 
medicineman

medicineman

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Spitzered said:
I knew that would be the response.

Did they fear Clinton?

That should change during the current administration.

What would be the response in the US be if we attacked say.... Saudia Arabia for going with the Euro, would that fly? Or Russia?

I know I know, there would be a 'false flag' attack against all the other oil producing countries.

With all the crap about Iraq and Afgan. it should embolden them to change without fear. Code Pinko and the like would be on their side.

Oil is the simplistic slogan, its more complicated than that.

GNP, purchasing power, international investment in the US, and stability of the Dollar has a lot to do with it.

Even with US military might I don't think we could take over the world if they chose another currency to support.

http://wfhummel.cnchost.com/dollarstandard.html
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There was some speculation before the Iraq war that one of the reasons we went to war was because Sadam wanted to sell his oil in euros. What say you? Btw, that would raise our price of oil about 50%, not a pleasant thought.
 
Spitzered

Spitzered

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medicineman said:
There was some speculation before the Iraq war that one of the reasons we went to war was because Sadam wanted to sell his oil in euros. What say you? Btw, that would raise our price of oil about 50%, not a pleasant thought.
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Yeah I read that too. Also assassination attempts on Hugo Chavez for the same reason. That what Hugo said anyway.

I remember a joke in the 70's.

'Japan is trying to buy America, not to worry tho the Arabs weren't selling'.

The Oil producing nations aren't backing the dollar out of fear, but greed. They have to much invested in us.
 
medicineman

medicineman

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Spitzered said:
Yeah I read that too. Also assassination attempts on Hugo Chavez for the same reason. That what Hugo said anyway.

I remember a joke in the 70's.

'Japan is trying to buy America, not to worry tho the Arabs weren't selling'.

The Oil producing nations aren't backing the dollar out of fear, but greed. They have to much invested in us.
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I think Iran is trying to also, maybe that is the war impetus on Iran?
 
Spitzered

Spitzered

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medicineman said:
I think Iran is trying to also, maybe that is the war impetus on Iran?
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Perhaps, maybe that's why the EU is looking the other way.

I was in a coffee shop in Kuwait City talking to the guy running it, he asked me if the US was going to do something about Iran. I said 'Probably not anything'

He said 'If not the US then who?'

Most of the countries in the Middle East I've been to and talked to people are terrified of Iran with Nukes.

And they were Muslims.

Its almost like they want us to confront Iran with the US as their surrogates.

I'm not so sure if they 'Middle Eastern oil Producing countries' aren't blackmailing us to do something.
 
110100100

110100100

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Sure oil is not the only thing that props up the value of the dollar but if they switched to euros what do you think would happen to the value of the dollar?

When I say bullets what I mean is we've always been willing to do what is necessary to defend the interests of crude oil.

You're statement proves my point. Some of the people in the middle east can speak out against the big bad US all they want but when it comes down to it they all expect us to be the ones doing the dirty work. Hussein called the dollar the currency of an enemy state when he switched to only accepting euros for oil. It was an attempt to undermine the value of the dollar and to a degree it worked. It worked and Iraq produces what something like 5% of the would supply?

The Saudi's don't want to switch that's evident from their remarks from the last OPEC meeting and like you said they have too much invested but they also know they have their own person army whenever they need it. Who's going to protect them if they ever need it? The French? They couldn't even kick their own asses. So sure it's not "fear" per se but knowing they have the full backing of the US army is part of it.

OPEC however IS talking about making changes to other currencies. You can't sit there and tell me that this wouldn't change the value of the dollar drastically in an instant.

I'm not one of these conspiracy guys but you have to wonder why we really invaded Iraq. WMDs? Come on, he gassed his own people in the past and we did nothing about it. Genocide happens all over the globe yet we pick and choose when and where we make a stand and I see little rhyme or reason to it.

So you tell me, why not euros?
 
Spitzered

Spitzered

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110100100 said:
Some of the people in the middle east can speak out against the big bad US all they want but when it comes down to it they all expect us to be the ones doing the dirty work.

So you tell me, why not euros?
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We are the only ones willing and capable of doing the dirty work.

Not with out some justification other than oil.
 
medicineman

medicineman

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Spitzered said:
We are the only ones willing and capable of doing the dirty work.

Not with out some justification other than oil.
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If I were a betting man, I'd take this bet: Iraq was about the money. No more, no less. War profiteers and the oil monopoly were the certain beneficiaries of the conflict. The losers, the US economy, the youth of America (troops) and the Iraqis. It is pretty cut and dried.
 
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