Obama addresses the LEGALIZE question today!!

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molokai

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That is true and besides already has more then enough on his plate without trying to convince the house to legalize marijuana. All I can say is tobacco was just a plant and now there are multibillion corporations manipulating the government and I really don't think america needs another superpowerful corporation pulling the strings.
 
w1ckedchowda

w1ckedchowda

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molokai said:
That is true and besides already has more then enough on his plate without trying to convince the house to legalize marijuana. All I can say is tobacco was just a plant and now there are multibillion corporations manipulating the government and I really don't think america needs another superpowerful corporation pulling the strings.
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It's pretty crazy that we can't even take a plant from the wild and do what we want with it, to our own bodies. As long as you impose no threat or harm, what the fuck?
 
Maryjane123

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I think the best way for the usa to go, is to make it available in EVERY state Medically in the usa, I know a few already have but once it's a available in every state, then the publics perception might change, and eventually come around to the idea.

It will take a long time as it is still really early days, however hopefully people are in for the long run in the states and wont give up just yet.
 
Skryptz

Skryptz

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^^^because "they think" its a drug that when u get high an drive you have a chance of wrecking/hurting someone or yourself, an also its a mind altering drug that you do things out of the normal, but all i have to say is deaths off marijuana - 0, deaths off alcohol/tobacco - 879837698436587464876486836 period like this .....lol @ you people who think all of what obama did BEFORE he was president is anything revelant to what he does AS president way diff. scenarios people
 
doc111

doc111

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I think Obama is a politician just like any other politician who only does things that benefit themselves. This guy does not walk on water and is certainly not the answer to America's problems. I wish he was but I think it may be years before we see any real change in the states.
 
smokin1

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i hate to be the 1 to say this, but big biz will never alow it to happen. Think about all the paper companies heavily invested in trees, Bankrupt with hemp paper, dupont bankrupt with hemp seed oil. These companies line the pockets of our state reps and if these companies go, so does their extra bread and butter.
 
w1ckedchowda

w1ckedchowda

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Skryptz said:
^^^because "they think" its a drug that when u get high an drive you have a chance of wrecking/hurting someone or yourself, an also its a mind altering drug that you do things out of the normal, but all i have to say is deaths off marijuana - 0, deaths off alcohol/tobacco - 879837698436587464876486836 period like this .....lol @ you people who think all of what obama did BEFORE he was president is anything revelant to what he does AS president way diff. scenarios people
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that isn't the case though, that's just a bullshit copout by the public and the government. Alcohol related car crashes is the leading deaths of teenagers-early 20s, but it's still legal.

Prohibition didn't work in the past, it's certainly not working now. Hell, we're even losing money trying to prolong it, which just generates even more profit and business for the bad guys! :dunce:
 
w1ckedchowda

w1ckedchowda

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smokin1 said:
i hate to be the 1 to say this, but big biz will never alow it to happen. Think about all the paper companies heavily invested in trees, Bankrupt with hemp paper, dupont bankrupt with hemp seed oil. These companies line the pockets of our state reps and if these companies go, so does their extra bread and butter.
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It's either that or our means of survival are diminishing. Why can't we work from the ground up, come to a group realization that we NEED a more productive, cheaper and resourceful fiber/material. There really is so much you can do with hemp, we could just re-hire all the people to come work at the hemp factories!

Seriously, the country is going into the ground in debt, this is our answer. It doesn't need to be a substitution, but an alternative.
 
IndieGrower

IndieGrower

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Decriminalization? Maybe. Legalization not a snowballs chance in hell. Even one of the most ultra liberal country in Europe, the Netherlands, mj isn't legal. Its tolerated however its not legal. Now if the super liberal countries in europe won't officially legalize it, then there is no way that the US will
 
G33kDro

G33kDro

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YES THERE IS.... PEOPLE JUST NEED EDUCATION!
weed isnt harmful... every other fucking drug approved by the FDA has HARMFUL if not FATAL side affects if used improperly.... FFS if people would open their eyes and not say "oh its illegal so it must be bad" or "it kills braincells"

POINT being we have plenty of other harmful drugs in circulation why cant MJ be one. because a BLACK man decides to have sex with white women when he is a reefered up? thats a good one.
 
Drr

Drr

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Honestly, I just think it is because of the problems it proposes upon the economy (negative possibilites). Think of it this way. A VERY large population of the United States smokes marijuana (obviously behind closed doors). These people pay a large amount of money for marijuana because it is "scarce" so to speak; not in the sense that it is hard to find (even though in a lot of places it is) but in the sense that not everyone is growing it because they are scared of consequences. You take away those consequences and marijuana becomes as cheap as cigarettes due to the fact that every mom and pop are growing it. Aside from the fact that no money would be put into the economy in the long run due to home-growers, the economy goes through a change due to this.

This change is: Marijuana becomes legalized and every home-grower begins to sell at their normal rate to everyone they can. The economy is now stable due to this new cash flow. Now that there is new cash flow and a better economy, there is more money to be put into the pockets of each american. These americans, even grocery store baggers, have an increased wage. Lets say minimum wage goes up from $5 to $6 or even $7. These americans now have more money to spend on, amongst other things, marijuana (which is now taking part in fueling the economy). Again, stability. However, as everyone tries growing their own weed, and previous home-growers are able to better fund their setups and can grow in whole rooms as opposed to stealth boxes: more marijuana is being provided to the community. Therefore, due to supply and legalization, we have more smokers arise, realizing they can put their "oh my gosh MJ is bad" ideals to bed. Still, the economy is stable. Everyone is happy, the economy is doing great, and quite possibly the minimum wage, amongst other forms of payment to the american population, are increased.

You're probably saying, "This guy is nuts. He's just contradicting himself!" However, time changes all things. Production soon outweighs consumption and/or the readily available MJ is now lowered in value due to "Well, I can get the same amount for half the price at Bob's house. Why would I buy from Jim?" "Well, Jim is now selling at 1/2 price also, but if you buy 10% more, he'll sell it for a little less, still."

And now begins the problems of legalizing marijuana. Like I previously said, marijuana becomes near the price of cigarettes (of course it could still be twice as much, but that's a lot less than what we pay.) Market giants begin creating marijuana factories and hell, even Wally world sells an abundance of it. So, you now have the entire nation getting this minimum wage of $8 or $9 an hour, along with the other forms of payments, but marijuana is drastically cheaper. Now the government expenditures slowly begin to outweigh their gains due to the loss of marijuana funding. The US economy begins borrowing more than ever before and our population in all aspects (medical, military, housing, etc.) begins to dwindle as we drop from a "world power" to a "world power supporter."

Just a thought of a stoner.
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you have a good point.. but no matter how cheap the mj gets.. the taxes can stay the same meaning the revenue continues to roll in for the country.. taxes help YOUR country.. why people hate them so much is beyond me.. (that's granted it gets that far.. there could be a low price cap etc) It's not as easy as saying OK go ahead and smoke people.. it's alllllll good.. There's plenty of shit to be worked out.. and in time.. change is the only constant... Just keep fighting for your right... and you won't be wronged...

The health issues of smoking are big too. How can anyone who supports cheaper subsidized health care support SMOKING?? they couldn't if they wanted to stay credible in the health industry that is....

Plus if everyone grew their own.. There would be no need to sell.. or mass produce.. and no corporation will touch it..

That's what it comes down to.. our True RIGHT to grow whatever we want for ourselves.... Simple decriminalization is the Best way to start.. enough for personal use.. and then give out more licenses to produce for anyone who can't themselves..

The big issues are the "drug dealers" and violence associated with them.. WE know it's cocaine and heroine that is at the heart of it.. but people are dumb and can't make their own choices about cannabis.. they just listen and do what they are told..

One day enough people will stand up.. No government and NO corporation will stop them.. People forget.. WE out number them by millions... And numbers win..
 
Drr

Drr

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And lets no forget the industries that it would bring down if we fully utilized the capabilities of this plant.. NOT to mention parts that haven't been studied or researched yet..

Clothing, fuel, plastic, wood.. .. .... . .. .. it's no secret that billions of dollars will continue to fight it..
 
Drr

Drr

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Oh yeah.. the parm companies too.. they don't want you to grow a plant that can replace most of your house hold crap shoot pills..
 
Inkslinger118

Inkslinger118

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I can't believe this thread is still going strong. Way to go guys. But have any of you called your president? Or sent a letter to your congressmen? Give it a try if you can.
 
Inkslinger118

Inkslinger118

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Inkslinger118 said:
I can't believe this thread is still going strong. Way to go guys. But have any of you called your president? Or sent a letter to your congressmen? Give it a try if you can.
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And I have tried to keep up with all the +rep if I havent given you +rep just send me a message and I will be happy to give it to ya.
 
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