Nutrient Lockout? Newbie here

Cx2H

Cx2H

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Mtsfour said:
Any recommendations with botonicare line? I would like to do a tea/ botonicare feeding schedule next grow with me clones.
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I only use silica blast and their cal: mg
Right now my entire feed stack is
Maxibloom
Ca:mg
Myco tea
Guano/casting tea.

Some like all synthetics I am stripping them out. True you can use only maxibloom but if you read that link you see you can megaload the soil with pk with the myco and not burn or get yellowing..
 
nfhiggs

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chemphlegm said:
but, if plant is already getting these, and is locked out, adding more will not help aye?
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Yes, that's true. Two things generally cause lockout - PH being too high or too low, or excess of other nutrients. The usual remedy there is to correct PH and flush the soil with 2-3x the container volume, then restart nutes at 1/2 strength
 
chemphlegm

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nfhiggs said:
Yes, that's true. Two things generally cause lockout - PH being too high or too low, or excess of other nutrients. The usual remedy there is to correct PH and flush the soil with 2-3x the container volume, then restart nutes at 1/2 strength
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bravo. so many give and take the advice to ADD nutrients when they see a deficiency, you'd think they all work for the grow stores around here
 
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Not really a fan of synthetic anything for the plants. At least after my experiences. Mostly freebie shit the hydro shop gave me for not using Amazon. Not new to growing but new to these flowers. Though I wouldn't really call it natural when my grow room looks like time machine. I was givin roots organic guano liquids one for veg/ roots and other for bloom. Also roots organic nitro powder to premix in soil. Noticed nute burn through out grow following schedule. Also givin Mamoth P microbes, essentially what the Tea's are I guess. Didn't notice anything from using Mamoth p. Can't deny the kelp folier spray, they respond great to that, especially when sprayed with clean water later to clean leaves. Flushing and kelp spray improved them greatly, watered them with casting tea last night but haven't been able to check on them yet.
 
Cx2H

Cx2H

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Mtsfour said:
Not really a fan of synthetic anything for the plants. At least after my experiences. Mostly freebie shit the hydro shop gave me for not using Amazon. Not new to growing but new to these flowers. Though I wouldn't really call it natural when my grow room looks like time machine. I was givin roots organic guano liquids one for veg/ roots and other for bloom. Also roots organic nitro powder to premix in soil. Noticed nute burn through out grow following schedule. Also givin Mamoth P microbes, essentially what the Tea's are I guess. Didn't notice anything from using Mamoth p. Can't deny the kelp folier spray, they respond great to that, especially when sprayed with clean water later to clean leaves. Flushing and kelp spray improved them greatly, watered them with casting tea last night but haven't been able to check on them yet.
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Gonna take 3 days to see anything, going through root zone. Foliar is 8x faster absorption by plant.

Mam p is just myco in a nice package from CSU@ 750a gallon. It works tho but benefits can be had cheaper.

P loading a plant is the sheet. Some have no clue how to but watching fat stalk plants face plant is special.

Kelp/seaweed has natural PGR's and a base/secret ingredient in many boosters and over priced additives. Gotta love cytokinins, auxins and gibberellins.

:-)
 
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Been busy last week. But since have flushed plants, following with worm casting/kelp tea, three days later, then another round of plain water with 5ml of cal/mg and tbs of kelp, and last watering with plain water last night. Removed LED Lights and installed 600 watt hps. Newest growth seems to be unaffected, still plenty of yellowing and black spotting though. Growth rate is good roughly a half inch to an inch a day for the past 72 hours since installing the lights. They smell dank as ever though!
 

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I guess my question would be should I wait to do 12/12? They are right at 24" in height and the max they can grow is 5 1/2' until they would be in the danger zone of the hps.
 
Cx2H

Cx2H

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Mtsfour said:
I guess my question would be should I wait to do 12/12? They are right at 24" in height and the max they can grow is 5 1/2' until they would be in the danger zone of the hps.
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Greetings, got pH meter/drops/monitoring yet? I wouldn't flower yet untill it's had.

As for vertical. Hard to say. I have indica's that don't really stretch and I have hybrid's that try and go through the top of the room like bean stalks.

Plants need to be in proper pH zone. The teas are about 8-9pH when dropped hot. I adjust them to 6-6.2.

Honestly you need some balanced feeding, anything. Learning organic is great and plants love it but they need some p right now as well in veg.

Maxibloom (5-15-14) is 11-13$ a kilo and will last mortal men years. I saw some sheet at home depot yesterday that would work was 5$ a bottle and was (5-5-5).

#Random
 
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Mtsfour

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Cx2H said:
Greetings, got pH meter/drops/monitoring yet? I wouldn't flower yet untill it's had.

As for vertical. Hard to say. I have indica's that don't really stretch and I have hybrid's that try and go through the top of the room like bean stalks.

Plants need to be in proper pH zone. The teas are about 8-9pH when dropped hot. I adjust them to 6-6.2.

Honestly you need some balanced feeding, anything. Learning organic is great and plants love it but they need some p right now as well in veg.

Maxibloom (5-15-14) is 11-13$ a kilo and will last mortal men years. I saw some sheet at home depot yesterday that would work was 5$ a bottle and was (5-5-5).

#Random
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Not yet, I've been toying with getting the material. Stuffs you can get in Home Depot? At least the testers? I've seen them online there but not in stores. Might have some time tonight to pick em up. They are looking better this am. Spreading is coming to a halt.
 
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Mtsfour

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Cx2H said:
Greetings, got pH meter/drops/monitoring yet? I wouldn't flower yet untill it's had.

As for vertical. Hard to say. I have indica's that don't really stretch and I have hybrid's that try and go through the top of the room like bean stalks.

Plants need to be in proper pH zone. The teas are about 8-9pH when dropped hot. I adjust them to 6-6.2.

Honestly you need some balanced feeding, anything. Learning organic is great and plants love it but they need some p right now as well in veg.

Maxibloom (5-15-14) is 11-13$ a kilo and will last mortal men years. I saw some sheet at home depot yesterday that would work was 5$ a bottle and was (5-5-5).

#Random
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Do you have meter you would recommend for the water (theres like a million). Ive been reading up on happy frog causing issues with plants,ph out of wack. Going to pick up some soil test strips and test it out. Thanks!
 
Cx2H

Cx2H

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Mtsfour said:
Do you have meter you would recommend for the water (theres like a million). Ive been reading up on happy frog causing issues with plants,ph out of wack. Going to pick up some soil test strips and test it out. Thanks!
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Sent you a link to a list on Amazon with lowest prices I could find. I order from this list and update it constantly. Covers all the different styles I use so it's a big random list.

The pH meter is on it at 6$.
 
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