rkymtnman
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sounds like that would work to me although i've never tried it. and the sulfur would be great to help bring out the smells at the end
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StareCase
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I thought that gypsum was more of a soil amendment / conditioner as opposed to a fertilizer. If you want to add a little sulfur in the last few weeks, I would recommend dissolving a small dose of Epsom Salts in your feed water - 1/2 tsp. into 1 gallon - and feed your girls every other week.
Missouri Green
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I was a Pure Blend Pro guy for a while .... always switching between grow and bloom or just running bloom straight through.
then i went to canna coco A+B plus rhizotonic cannazym calimagic and silica in tap water (ppm 400 ph9 ish)
there is just one formula veg and flower with canna coco... seemed to work out just fine.
Canna coco in Tap with water figured in 1.6 ec.
137N
64P
110K
50Mg
167Ca
76S
now Im in RO with jacks 321
at 1.6ec we get
121N
42P
171K
75Mg
100Ca
102S
my plant looks good at 6 weeks...I've been abusing it quite a bit lately... only running it at 1.1ec 750ppm .7 conversion factor as temps and Rh have been on the low side the last couple weeks. corrected now...and she's looking pretty perky considering all the cutting she's taken, i feel like i topped it about 8 days ago.. not long.
Jacks 4,2,0 in RO at 1.6 ec
128N
53P
216K
63Mg
95Ca
85S
whats 2/3 of the recommended dose for the flower fuel? just wondering. i can add that to my hydrobuddy calulator and spit out the numbers..
i will have the jacks 10-30-20 bloom and the jacks finish and i might do the bloom for a week at 12/12 onset and the finish right before flush or weeks 7 ish on a 10 weeks strain, then again i might not use the bloom,finish or flush this time? maybe flush for just a week? . but pretty sure that doesn't need to be done.
right now my theory is keep a happy and stable plant and the results will be just fine. just ran across some research in a thread and the gist was 150N 60P straight through was the magic #s and K between 50-350 did not matter. i can't seem to run an ec that high yet, maybe when she's bigger.
i might just run jacks 321 straight to the end considering this run is experimental. would be a good baseline. we'll see
then i went to canna coco A+B plus rhizotonic cannazym calimagic and silica in tap water (ppm 400 ph9 ish)
there is just one formula veg and flower with canna coco... seemed to work out just fine.
Canna coco in Tap with water figured in 1.6 ec.
137N
64P
110K
50Mg
167Ca
76S
now Im in RO with jacks 321
at 1.6ec we get
121N
42P
171K
75Mg
100Ca
102S
my plant looks good at 6 weeks...I've been abusing it quite a bit lately... only running it at 1.1ec 750ppm .7 conversion factor as temps and Rh have been on the low side the last couple weeks. corrected now...and she's looking pretty perky considering all the cutting she's taken, i feel like i topped it about 8 days ago.. not long.
Jacks 4,2,0 in RO at 1.6 ec
128N
53P
216K
63Mg
95Ca
85S
whats 2/3 of the recommended dose for the flower fuel? just wondering. i can add that to my hydrobuddy calulator and spit out the numbers..
i will have the jacks 10-30-20 bloom and the jacks finish and i might do the bloom for a week at 12/12 onset and the finish right before flush or weeks 7 ish on a 10 weeks strain, then again i might not use the bloom,finish or flush this time? maybe flush for just a week? . but pretty sure that doesn't need to be done.
right now my theory is keep a happy and stable plant and the results will be just fine. just ran across some research in a thread and the gist was 150N 60P straight through was the magic #s and K between 50-350 did not matter. i can't seem to run an ec that high yet, maybe when she's bigger.
i might just run jacks 321 straight to the end considering this run is experimental. would be a good baseline. we'll see
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michojay
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That was my thoughts. I’m curious what Athena did for their Fade. I guess it is essentially Core without the Nitrogen.
michojay
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Two third’s strength is about. 0.17 teaspoon per gallon or 0.7 grams
michojay
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There’s already plenty mag sulfate in the jacks though
Missouri Green
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40g Jacks 5-12-26, 20g cal-nit, 7g flower fuel into 10 gal RO diluted to 1.6 ec yeilds
117N
71P
238K
57Mg
86Ca
80S
StareCase
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OK ... then there's no need to add anymore then if it's already in the Jack's line.
michojay
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michojay
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I guess my thought is I’m not opposed to more sulfur but I don’t see the benefit of bringing the mag up any higher so if I could eliminate some nitrogen while keeping the calcium at a suitable level if the sulfur rises with that so be it
StareCase
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S is not needed in great amounts throughout the grow. If it's already in the Jack's feed then there should be no need to add any more.
The plants do still need some N until about the final 1/3 of flowering. In the Remo line, their MagNiFiCal product contains the N and their recommendations are to cease with using any Cal/Mag in the final 3 weeks.
michojay
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I do realize that. I wouldn’t want to completely eliminate N as I said earlier. I’m more looking at the last week or so. My concern is by eliminating the cal/nit you are essentially eliminating the calcium as well which is still needed to help prevent bud rot etc. does that make sense? I’m sorry if I’m not doing a good job at communicating what I’m trying to figure out and I really appreciate your input
StareCase
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MICRO contains 3% calcium. All of them contain low levels of N. Except the GROW which is their VEG feed and has a higher level of N.
No worries ... I can help with the schedule should you switch to Remo.
I was using the FF Trio with Botanicare's Cal/Mag prior to trying out GROW, MICRO, BLOOM and MagNiFiCal. In the summer of 2021 I went the full kit which includes AstroFlower, Nature's Candy and VeloKelp. Bottom line - I ain't going back to the FF/Botanicare combo ...
michojay
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I’ve used a lot of different bottled nutes. Canna was good GH trio all the usual suspects. I am really trying to get away from the over priced bottle brands and simplify. So far I really like it but I have a lot to learn
Missouri Green
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i've been learning a lot lately myself. the big thing for me was downloading hydrobuddy from scienceinhydroponics.com . GreenGene has 25min a video on downloading it and getting started... between that and getting microsoft office 365 free version with excel spreadsheets... i can sorta work my way through were i've been and were i wanna go.. fwiw I just put all my chemicals into the used column (there may be a limit or reverse calculations where you have the program adjust figures to reach a desired ppm profile) i use the other setting where i adjust the components and it tells me what i get (concentrations from weight setting). anyway it takes a second but I already feel a lot smarter.
Oh right and I started with the Jack's 321 because i was running what amounted to and outdoor hydroponic farm of superhot chilies .... i was eating through GH bottles in no time flat, so i figured i'd give jacks a try. anyway i deciced i would use hot water and mix up gallon jugs of stock at a 3,2,1 ratio A)720g PartA, B)480g CalNit, and C)240g MgSO4 in separate gallon jugs. this makes life so much easier on you its not funny, just pay attention and don't F up the numbers.. now when you go to mix up nutes its equal parts A then C then B (as jug A is already 3x jug B is already 2x and C is 1x by weight).... check it with your ec meter ... too strong dilute not strong enough add equal parts of each. i think for a 10 gal mix at 1.4ec im using something like 85ml of each, just measure it with a 50ml conical tube or somesuch
easy peasy, just make sure you get the concentrated mix right.. should last you a whole show or more.
Bud man 43
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I thought the GH trio was pretty reasonable- 3 gallons for under $80 if I recall- lasted 3 runs - nearly a year- results were very good but i did have salt buildup and some lockout at the very end. I think the Complete Crop has resolved this as I am not seeing the salts on the fabric pots. Time will tell.
michojay
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I get salt buildup if I don’t get enough run off.