Novel coronavirus introduced to humans in exotic animal meat market.

DIY-HP-LED

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I'm laying this out line by line because facts are facts. I'm not trying to cause alarm. If facts alarm anyone, sorry, not sorry.
Not saying your causing a panic, just that there appears to one underway in Asia at least over this. We are gonna have pandemics, it is just a question of time and how serious they are in terms of mortality and virulence. I can see the public health concern about this bug, measles killed a lot of people recently and has a high mortality rate among some populations.
 

abandonconflict

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Not saying your causing a panic, just that there appears to one underway in Asia at least over this. We are gonna have pandemics, it is just a question of time and how serious they are in terms of mortality and virulence. I can see the public health concern about this bug, measles killed a lot of people recently and has a high mortality rate among some populations.
Measles also has a deleterious effect on the immune system, making people susceptible to viral infections to which they had been previously vaccinated. Measles has one of the highest R0 (rnot) factors of any disease, up there with them pox if I'm not mistaken again.
 

abandonconflict

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Wikipedia lists the R0 of this virus "2019 ncov" as 2.3 to 5. That's much higher than H1N1 which is the 1918 strain that still kills thousands annually. Coupled with its ability to transmit several days before symptoms show, this makes it particularly virulent. This virus is much worse than H1N1.

The only reason H1N1 killed so many people in 1918, according to recent research, was secondary bacterial pneumonia, because the lungs were full of phlegm and doctors knew fuck-all a century ago. SARS and MERS, both recent, are examples that show how much the sciences of virology and epidemiology have advanced.
 

abandonconflict

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Hong Kong experts indicate that number of ncov-infected likely in the tens of thousands.

Mongolia closed its border with PRC.

Germany confirms first case.

Several more Chinese cities are on lockdown.

Suspected case in New Jersey.

Two suspected cases in New Hampshire.

Sri Lanka confirms first case.

19 suspected cases in Ontario.

Confirmed cases in Washington state and in Illinois.

Cambodia confirms first case.

Suspected case in Ivory Coast.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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As Virus Spreads, Anger Floods Chinese Social Media
The sheer volume of criticism of the government, and the sometimes clever ways that critics dodge censors, are testing Beijing’s ability to control the narrative.

SHANGHAI — Recently, someone following the coronavirus crisis through China’s official news media would see lots of footage, often set to stirring music, praising the heroism and sacrifice of health workers marching off to stricken places.

But someone following the crisis through social media would see something else entirely: vitriolic comments and mocking memes about government officials, harrowing descriptions of untreated family members and images of hospital corridors loaded with patients, some of whom appear to be dead.

The contrast is almost never so stark in China. The government usually keeps a tight grip on what is said, seen and heard about it. But the sheer amount of criticism — and the often clever ways in which critics dodge censors, such as by referring to Xi Jinping, China’s top leader, as “Trump” or by comparing the outbreak to the Chernobyl catastrophe — have made it difficult for Beijing to control the message.

In recent days, critics have pounced when officials in the city of Wuhan, the center of the outbreak, wore their protective masks incorrectly. They have heaped scorn upon stumbling pronouncements. When Wuhan’s mayor spoke to official media on Monday, one commenter responded, “If the virus is fair, then please don’t spare this useless person.”

The condemnations stand as a rare direct challenge to the Communist Party, which brooks no dissent in the way it runs China. In some cases, Chinese leaders appear to be acknowledging people’s fear, anger and other all-too-human reactions to the crisis, showing how the party can move dramatically, if sometimes belatedly, to mollify the public.

Such criticism can go only so far, however. Some of China’s more commercially minded media outlets have covered the disease and the response thoroughly if not critically. But articles and comments about the virus continue to be deleted, and the government and internet platforms have issued fresh warnings against spreading what they call “rumors.”

“Chinese social media are full of anger, not because there was no censorship on this topic, but despite strong censorship,” said Xiao Qiang, a research scientist at the School of Information at the University of California, Berkeley, and the founder of China Digital Times, a website that monitors Chinese internet controls. “It is still possible that the censorship will suddenly increase again, as part of an effort to control the narrative.”

When China’s leaders battled the SARS virus in the early 2000s, social media was only just beginning to blossom in the country. The government covered up the disease’s spread, and it was left to journalists and other critics to shame the authorities into acknowledging the scale of the problem.

Today, smartphones and social media make it harder for mass public health crises to stay buried. But internet platforms in China are just as easily polluted with false and fast-moving information as they are everywhere else. During outbreaks of disease, Beijing’s leaders have legitimate reason to be on alert for quack remedies and scaremongering fabrications, which can cause panic and do damage.

In recent days, though, Beijing seems to be reasserting its primacy over information in ways that go beyond mere rumor control. At a meeting this past weekend between Mr. Xi and other senior leaders, one of the measures they resolved to take against the virus was to “strengthen the guidance of public opinion.”

Wang Huning, the head of the Communist Party’s publicity department and an influential party ideologue, was also recently named deputy head of the team in charge of containing the outbreak, behind only China’s premier, Li Keqiang.

Chinese officials seem to recognize that social media can be a useful tool for feeling out public opinion in times of crisis. WeChat, the popular Chinese messaging platform, said over the weekend that it would crack down hard on rumors about the virus. But it also created a tool for users to report tips and information about the disease and the response.

Internet backlash may already have caused one local government in China to change course on its virus-fighting policies. The southern city of Shantou announced on Sunday that it was stopping cars, ships and people from entering the city, in a policy that echoed ones in Wuhan. But then word went around that the decision had led people to panic-buy food, and by the afternoon, the order had been rescinded.

Nowhere has the local government been the target of more internet vitriol than in Hubei Province, where Wuhan is the capital.

After the Hubei governor, Wang Xiaodong, and other officials there gave a news briefing on Sunday, web users mocked Mr. Wang for misstating, twice, the number of face masks that the province could produce. They circulated a photo from the briefing of him and two other officials, pointing out that one of them did not cover his nose with his mask, that another wore his mask upside down and that Mr. Wang did not wear a mask at all.

On Monday, social media users were similarly unrelenting toward Wuhan’s mayor, Zhou Xianwang.

During an interview Mr. Zhou gave to state television, commenters in live streams unloaded on him, with one writing: “Stop talking. We just want to know when you will resign.”

Top authorities may be deliberately directing public anger toward officials in Hubei and Wuhan as a prelude to their resigning and being replaced. Many other targets within the Chinese leadership seem to remain off limits.

This month, as news of the coronavirus emerged but Mr. Xi did not make public appearances to address it, people on the social platform Weibo began venting their frustration in veiled ways, asking, “Where’s that person?”

But even those comments were deleted. So some users started replacing Mr. Xi’s name with “Trump.” As in, “I don’t want to go through another minute of this year, my heart is filled with pain, I hope Trump dies.”

Other people hungering to express frustration have taken to the Chinese social platform Douban, which has been flooded recently by user reviews for “Chernobyl,” the hit television series about the Soviet nuclear disaster.

“In any era, any country, it’s the same. Cover everything up,” one reviewer wrote on Monday.

“That’s socialism,” wrote another.

Some Chinese news outlets have been able to report incisively on the coronavirus. The influential newsmagazine Caixin has put out rigorous reporting and analysis. The Paper, a digital news outlet that is overseen by Shanghai’s Communist Party Committee, published a chilling video about a Wuhan resident who couldn’t find a hospital that would treat him and ended up wandering the streets.

Mr. Xiao, the Chinese internet expert, said the central authorities long gave such outlets special leeway to cover certain topics in ways that official media cannot. But the outlets should not be viewed as independent of the government, he said, calling their coverage “planned and controlled publicity” from the authorities.

Even outside the digital realm, it is not hard to find people in China who remain unsure of whether to trust what their government is telling them about the outbreak.

Chen Pulin, a 78-year-old retiree, was waiting outside a Shanghai hospital recently while his daughter was inside being tested for the virus. When word of the disease first began trickling out, he immediately had doubts about whether officials were being forthcoming about it.

“Even now, the government seems to be thinking about the economy and social stability,” Mr. Chen said. “Those things are important, but when it comes to these infectious diseases, stopping the disease should come first.”
 

abandonconflict

Well-Known Member
As Virus Spreads, Anger Floods Chinese Social Media
The sheer volume of criticism of the government, and the sometimes clever ways that critics dodge censors, are testing Beijing’s ability to control the narrative.

SHANGHAI — Recently, someone following the coronavirus crisis through China’s official news media would see lots of footage, often set to stirring music, praising the heroism and sacrifice of health workers marching off to stricken places.

But someone following the crisis through social media would see something else entirely: vitriolic comments and mocking memes about government officials, harrowing descriptions of untreated family members and images of hospital corridors loaded with patients, some of whom appear to be dead.

The contrast is almost never so stark in China. The government usually keeps a tight grip on what is said, seen and heard about it. But the sheer amount of criticism — and the often clever ways in which critics dodge censors, such as by referring to Xi Jinping, China’s top leader, as “Trump” or by comparing the outbreak to the Chernobyl catastrophe — have made it difficult for Beijing to control the message.

In recent days, critics have pounced when officials in the city of Wuhan, the center of the outbreak, wore their protective masks incorrectly. They have heaped scorn upon stumbling pronouncements. When Wuhan’s mayor spoke to official media on Monday, one commenter responded, “If the virus is fair, then please don’t spare this useless person.”

The condemnations stand as a rare direct challenge to the Communist Party, which brooks no dissent in the way it runs China. In some cases, Chinese leaders appear to be acknowledging people’s fear, anger and other all-too-human reactions to the crisis, showing how the party can move dramatically, if sometimes belatedly, to mollify the public.

Such criticism can go only so far, however. Some of China’s more commercially minded media outlets have covered the disease and the response thoroughly if not critically. But articles and comments about the virus continue to be deleted, and the government and internet platforms have issued fresh warnings against spreading what they call “rumors.”

“Chinese social media are full of anger, not because there was no censorship on this topic, but despite strong censorship,” said Xiao Qiang, a research scientist at the School of Information at the University of California, Berkeley, and the founder of China Digital Times, a website that monitors Chinese internet controls. “It is still possible that the censorship will suddenly increase again, as part of an effort to control the narrative.”

When China’s leaders battled the SARS virus in the early 2000s, social media was only just beginning to blossom in the country. The government covered up the disease’s spread, and it was left to journalists and other critics to shame the authorities into acknowledging the scale of the problem.

Today, smartphones and social media make it harder for mass public health crises to stay buried. But internet platforms in China are just as easily polluted with false and fast-moving information as they are everywhere else. During outbreaks of disease, Beijing’s leaders have legitimate reason to be on alert for quack remedies and scaremongering fabrications, which can cause panic and do damage.

In recent days, though, Beijing seems to be reasserting its primacy over information in ways that go beyond mere rumor control. At a meeting this past weekend between Mr. Xi and other senior leaders, one of the measures they resolved to take against the virus was to “strengthen the guidance of public opinion.”

Wang Huning, the head of the Communist Party’s publicity department and an influential party ideologue, was also recently named deputy head of the team in charge of containing the outbreak, behind only China’s premier, Li Keqiang.

Chinese officials seem to recognize that social media can be a useful tool for feeling out public opinion in times of crisis. WeChat, the popular Chinese messaging platform, said over the weekend that it would crack down hard on rumors about the virus. But it also created a tool for users to report tips and information about the disease and the response.

Internet backlash may already have caused one local government in China to change course on its virus-fighting policies. The southern city of Shantou announced on Sunday that it was stopping cars, ships and people from entering the city, in a policy that echoed ones in Wuhan. But then word went around that the decision had led people to panic-buy food, and by the afternoon, the order had been rescinded.

Nowhere has the local government been the target of more internet vitriol than in Hubei Province, where Wuhan is the capital.

After the Hubei governor, Wang Xiaodong, and other officials there gave a news briefing on Sunday, web users mocked Mr. Wang for misstating, twice, the number of face masks that the province could produce. They circulated a photo from the briefing of him and two other officials, pointing out that one of them did not cover his nose with his mask, that another wore his mask upside down and that Mr. Wang did not wear a mask at all.

On Monday, social media users were similarly unrelenting toward Wuhan’s mayor, Zhou Xianwang.

During an interview Mr. Zhou gave to state television, commenters in live streams unloaded on him, with one writing: “Stop talking. We just want to know when you will resign.”

Top authorities may be deliberately directing public anger toward officials in Hubei and Wuhan as a prelude to their resigning and being replaced. Many other targets within the Chinese leadership seem to remain off limits.

This month, as news of the coronavirus emerged but Mr. Xi did not make public appearances to address it, people on the social platform Weibo began venting their frustration in veiled ways, asking, “Where’s that person?”

But even those comments were deleted. So some users started replacing Mr. Xi’s name with “Trump.” As in, “I don’t want to go through another minute of this year, my heart is filled with pain, I hope Trump dies.”

Other people hungering to express frustration have taken to the Chinese social platform Douban, which has been flooded recently by user reviews for “Chernobyl,” the hit television series about the Soviet nuclear disaster.

“In any era, any country, it’s the same. Cover everything up,” one reviewer wrote on Monday.

“That’s socialism,” wrote another.

Some Chinese news outlets have been able to report incisively on the coronavirus. The influential newsmagazine Caixin has put out rigorous reporting and analysis. The Paper, a digital news outlet that is overseen by Shanghai’s Communist Party Committee, published a chilling video about a Wuhan resident who couldn’t find a hospital that would treat him and ended up wandering the streets.

Mr. Xiao, the Chinese internet expert, said the central authorities long gave such outlets special leeway to cover certain topics in ways that official media cannot. But the outlets should not be viewed as independent of the government, he said, calling their coverage “planned and controlled publicity” from the authorities.

Even outside the digital realm, it is not hard to find people in China who remain unsure of whether to trust what their government is telling them about the outbreak.

Chen Pulin, a 78-year-old retiree, was waiting outside a Shanghai hospital recently while his daughter was inside being tested for the virus. When word of the disease first began trickling out, he immediately had doubts about whether officials were being forthcoming about it.

“Even now, the government seems to be thinking about the economy and social stability,” Mr. Chen said. “Those things are important, but when it comes to these infectious diseases, stopping the disease should come first.”
I like the timelines too, all the big media outlets are doing them now and they really have no choice but to link other sources. Anyway, in regard to this one, it points out how the CCP actually ensured that this would spread globally by trying to cover it up and then by completely locking down Wuhan, they turned it into a petri dish for the outbreak to culture and metastasize while creating an irresistible economic opportunity for anyone willing to break the blockade, ensuring that it will continue to spread. They couldn't possibly have handled it in a worse manner than they did. Or better, depending on what they had intended.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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I like the timelines too, all the big media outlets are doing them now and they really have no choice but to link other sources. Anyway, in regard to this one, it points out how the CCP actually ensured that this would spread globally by trying to cover it up and then by completely locking down Wuhan, they turned it into a petri dish for the outbreak to culture and metastasize while creating an irresistible economic opportunity for anyone willing to break the blockade, ensuring that it will continue to spread. They couldn't possibly have handled it in a worse manner than they did. Or better, depending on what they had intended.
They and their families can catch this bug too...
 

CountryFriedPotHead

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If mainland Chinese people are so prosperous, why do they eat bats and dogs?

This mutation of the coronavirus is like a bad flu case times two and has an rnot between 1.5 and 2.5. The common cold is caused by a coronavirus. An rnot of 1.5 means that ten sick people will infect an additional fifteen. This is actually very bad, especially considering that an infected individual is highly contagious for several days before any symptoms are presented.

The CCP spent a month covering it up out of concern for trade so it's now a phase 5 pandemic. Thanks to the annual exodus called Chinese New Year, it's spreading in multiple countries. Thanks China!
You’re a smart man. Funny how 2019-nCoV went “undetected” in the export capital of the world for anywhere from 3-4 weeks! Hahahaha No one is taking this seriously enough because of Meme culture.
 

Lucky Luke

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Cray fish has dropped in price due to the Carona Virus. nearly all ours go straight to China but due to the virus they are not ordering the numbers they used to.
I had a flight to Thailand soon. That got canceled. I have a bad feeling about this. Being asymptomatic for 2-14 days and having a very high R0. This could spread like wild fire. I think its worse but they won't say because it will cause the markets to crash. Thailand alone would lose over 50 billion bhat just from Chinese tourism. The WHO needs to get some balls and stop flights out of China.
Markets have started to decline already. But thats not unusual.
 

Grandpapy

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I like the timelines too, all the big media outlets are doing them now and they really have no choice but to link other sources. Anyway, in regard to this one, it points out how the CCP actually ensured that this would spread globally by trying to cover it up and then by completely locking down Wuhan, they turned it into a petri dish for the outbreak to culture and metastasize while creating an irresistible economic opportunity for anyone willing to break the blockade, ensuring that it will continue to spread. They couldn't possibly have handled it in a worse manner than they did. Or better, depending on what they had intended.
You be careful:

While the Philippines remains free of the novel coronavirus, at least 11 individuals are still placed under investigation for suspected infection of the respiratory illness, the country’s top health official said.

DoDirty does spectacular work. I have a feeling they are gonna get hit hard.
 

abandonconflict

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It's already turning public opinion completely against him and his CCP overlords. It's a scary disease, but I'm very healthy and strong enough to survive. It's hard to stay hydrated when you have diarrhea and are vomiting but I'll give myself an IV if I have to. I'm sure I'll catch it.

Plenty of people catch coronavirus all the time, that's why it's called the common cold, but this mutation is pretty fuckin terrifying. Not as bad as MERS though, that one had a fatality rate around one in three.
 

abandonconflict

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The new data; 4515 confirmed cases in China with 106 fatalities, indicates significantly faster spread than previously thought with slightly lower fatality rate.
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abandonconflict

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Shanghai and Beijing are both now "level 1 alert", basically on complete lockdown. CCP has shut down the stock market to prevent massive selloffs.
 

Budley Doright

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I use to play a game called “infection” where you are a virus and pick different ways to spread and mutate with the goal of killing the world......ya I know huh lol. The point is that it generates headlines seen worldwide as it spreads, these headlines are freakishly similar to exactly what we are seeing now re travel bans, stock market closures, etc. :(
 
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