Notorious BIG > Everyone Else.

LeeGullEyes

Member
Oh and to be clear the reason i say Biggie > everyone else is also because he was so good, so young. he died at what...24? he was just getting started. 2 albums and to this day people still listen to him. i know i do. I recently came to the conclusion big > everyone else because when i hear a track or freestyle from him it makes me look down on the rest of the tracks in my playlist by other artists.

pretty much no 1 was murdering shit the way he was. not even 2pac imo.

what makes him good imo is that he didnt have many tracks or verses that were worth skipping over. almost all were good. the only "bad verse" ive ever heard from him i can think of off the top of my head is the 2nd verse on the r kelly/big "im f**kin u tonight" track. thats probably the weakest thing ive heard from him and thats only because of the standard he set for himself. any rapper today would have been happy if they wrote it but for his standard it was lacking.

you hear guys like lil wayne and stuff and you find many more tracks worth skipping than listening to. thats what makes a good musician imo (not just rapper). if you can make people like/listen to more tracks than they skip then you're the real deal imo.
Also Kid Cudi was 25 when his 3rd dropped and it was, in my opinion, his best. Life After Death was dope but not even close to his first, ready to die. I mean like signifigantly worse, but still made by a god.

And if u want to hear freestyles my friend listen to 95 and 98 freestyle by Big L

Before I buck lead and make a lot of blood shed
Turn your tux red, I'm far from broke, got enough bread
And mad hoes, ask Beavis I get nothing Butthead

A freestyle between Biggie and Big L would explode your brain
 

themanwiththeplan

Well-Known Member
What Hendix did was actually make music not just play a guitar. He could do it all. He wrote, played, and sang it. Unlike those other wannabe thugs you mention. Their crap is not music. There is a rap song you should listen to by a group called Itis. Rap with a C.....C-R-A-P.
A grade schooler could write better lyrics than that crap above. ^
Do it then. since jimi did it all and the likes of biggie and 2pac are "wannabe thugs" and rap is crap then do it. if its that bad then anyone should be able to do it right?

make an album and see how well it sells...fuk a album...write a song and see how good it blows over w/ the public...or even just give me 16 bars that makes my jaw drop.

you couldn't, cant, wont, will never. why? because its a relevant art-from/style of music.

remember these artists weren't made by the likes of MTV. Nor were they the product of "really good management" or even ghostwriters. these are 2 guys who are true artists.

I think its funny how someone comes along (not just you several others) and immediately say, "rap is crap" and dismiss it as a form of music simply because they either:
A) Don't understand it
or
B) are jealous of a talent they don't have/cant build on.

were talking about rappers SO good that they could say something...be 3-4 bars further into the track and your brain is just NOW processing what they said and you have to rewind the track to catch what you missed while thinking about what they got done saying...THAT GOOD.

i dont think ive ever heard a guitar riff or solo that i had to rewind because my brain couldn't process it fast enough lol. (not dissing jimi just proving a point...it does take just as much practice as jimi did w/ his guitar. you dont rap that well w/o serious practice)

rapping is a skill. Unfortunately many people these days don't understand that because all they hear and see is the gucci man/lil wayne crap on the radio/mtv and thats all they associate rap with is heavy bass, shitty hooks, and a "look at me im rich, fuck hoes and shoot guns" attitude.

if its crap do better. i dare you.

Any good artist makes their songs about things. In Biggies case look at ready to die and life after death those songs all have themes where as lil wayne talks about how awesome he is in 90% of his songs

The Notorious BIG is limited by Gangsta Rap as theres only so many things he can rap about

Kid Cudi, also in the hip hop category, was poor and made something of himself while avoiding the crack and guns allowing his songs to cover a wider variety of themes

Now im with you I love all the hardcore basically Eminem and everything before, especially biggie. I thought Kid Cudi was like lil wayne drake and anyone on the radio

There are very few albums you can listen to front to back (Illmatic, Ready to Die, Life After Death, Slim Shady Marshall Mathers LP's). And 3 of Kid Cudis albums fit in that Category. Biggie, Eminem, 2pac, Outkast had 2.

He is the TRUTH

Listen to- A Kid Named Cudi, Man on the Moon (1 and 2) They will blow ur mind

Dont forget to smoke some pot first
Also Kid Cudi was 25 when his 3rd dropped and it was, in my opinion, his best. Life After Death was dope but not even close to his first, ready to die. I mean like signifigantly worse, but still made by a god.

And if u want to hear freestyles my friend listen to 95 and 98 freestyle by Big L

Before I buck lead and make a lot of blood shed
Turn your tux red, I'm far from broke, got enough bread
And mad hoes, ask Beavis I get nothing Butthead

A freestyle between Biggie and Big L would explode your brain

I agree w/ pretty much everything you said. today rap is in a "state of emergency" (imo) kind of like where 80s heavy metal was when nirvana came along.

It just saddens me that clowns don't take the time to learn anything about the genre (or the greats of the genre). instead they rather bash it and dismiss it without even taking the time to understand it. if they wont take the time to understand it then dont dismiss it.

oh yeah...btw...BIG L was pretty dope i might say. I thought he was great too. i still play him to this day too. Ive seen some rappers today show promise but for one reason or another they all tend to fall off before getting to the next level with their skill.

Like in the beginning of his mixtape career i thought papoose had potential to be one of the next "great" ones but the longer his mixtape career went the worse he got. but freestyle wise i'd say he's probably top 10-20 alive. his song writing ability = sucky.

thats the other problem with rap today. we have great hitmakers/hook writers that suck at the actual rap part or we have great freestylers who can't write a proper song to save their life. THATS what makes me appreciate our greats that much more (biggie, big L, pac, and so on) as they had the ability to do both. rap and write songs that were actually pleasing to the ears.


lil wayne = great hit maker...shitty rapper overall (not alot of substance and he's repetitive almost like he ran out of things to say after all these mixtapes/albums)...its all "look at me! im so fukin rich!"

and don't get me started on the "gimmick" rappers. i see lots of them these days too. which is sad.
 

themanwiththeplan

Well-Known Member
pretty much...these days rappers will do anything to make a buck and back in the day rappers would rap strictly for the love and skill building freestyling can bring. which is also what happened to heavy metal in the 80s...it became a gimmick to earn money and the song quality sucked and the fans lost interest.

thats whats happening to rap today and thats what happened to emo whenever that fad got popular and dies out...

first it was about the love of the music...then a million copycats came along for a payday and took it to hell. thats how it always works.
 

Sandbagger

New Member
I wouldn't lower myself into pretending that I am a wannabe thug. The crap is NOT music. It is BS aimed at the ghetto and all the wannabe punk thugs eat it up with a spoon because they don't know any better.
 

themanwiththeplan

Well-Known Member
I wouldn't lower myself into pretending that I am a wannabe thug. The crap is NOT music. It is BS aimed at the ghetto and all the wannabe punk thugs eat it up with a spoon because they don't know any better.
has nothing to do with it. talent is talent. rhyme about space and the clouds or the inner workings of a piston. you can rap/rhyme anything...the subject of the rhyme has nothing to do with the talent of the one doing the rhyming.
 

Fight411

Active Member
Los spits shit that explodes my brain. Give em a listen, you won't be sorry. Only downfall is alot of people can't understand the genius he says.
 

themanwiththeplan

Well-Known Member
Not my style but worth a mention. i see potential. he's got flow for sure but the delivery and hooks could use a lil work.

he would fall into that "good freestyle/flow but not a good songmaker."

just saying...he's got it though.
 

zhn0k

Well-Known Member
big L tops biggie... don't get me wrong though -- i ♥ biggie as well.

please listen to this -- because it's lyricism at it's finest right here:

[video=youtube;Hd-0FMhtST4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hd-0FMhtST4[/video]
 

......

Well-Known Member
Big L dont got shit on biggie.
As for biggie vs pac it depends how im feeling that day.There both good in there own way,I dont really think ones better then the other.
Rappers now a days blows up cause the beats are bangers and thats what people wanna hear when there in the club.
 

......

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pac cant make a song like this
[video=youtube;ZzvL4O3uomg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzvL4O3uomg[/video]
 

themanwiththeplan

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big L tops biggie... don't get me wrong though -- i ♥ biggie as well.

please listen to this -- because it's lyricism at it's finest right here:

[video=youtube;Hd-0FMhtST4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hd-0FMhtST4[/video]

you dont have to preach big L to me! i been a big fan. Really its hard to say whos best as everyone in rap has different styles but i definitely have a taste for the best ones.

I can't get into most of todays stuff unless i "forget" about the greats of the late 80s/90s.

I use to be big on jay Z but imo he lost it w/ the more albums he did. Now he's kind of a...joke compared to his first few albums. to this day i still listen to the early albums of his.
 

ҖҗlegilizeitҗҖ

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[video=youtube;s4M8GjgfG9k]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4M8GjgfG9k&feature=BFa&list=PL1994D0D21CEAAC7B&lf=BFp[/video]
[video=youtube;6ihPOTDxMfE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ihPOTDxMfE&feature=BFa&list=PL1994D0D21CEAAC7B&lf=BFp[/video]
 

GarvinStomp

Member
Biggie had some awesome tracks but I think he suffers from Kurt Cobain syndrome where if he was still alive today, you really don't know how much success he would have had. Would he have went with the times or would he have adapted? There's a lot up in the air on whether he had the staying power...but for his time, yes, he was pretty good
 

LeeGullEyes

Member
Biggie had some awesome tracks but I think he suffers from Kurt Cobain syndrome where if he was still alive today, you really don't know how much success he would have had. Would he have went with the times or would he have adapted? There's a lot up in the air on whether he had the staying power...but for his time, yes, he was pretty good
His second album was a SIGNIFIGANT fall off. Hes so immortalized because of ready to die. Him dying was ironically the best thing that ever happened.

If hes still alive... genius
 

rainman36

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[video=youtube;KB7cV3oJQFc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KB7cV3oJQFc[/video]
THIS THREAD COOL AND EVERYTHANG,BUT 2PAC HAD SOME OF THE ILLEST SONGS OF ALL TIME....*WALKS OFF STAGE*
 

FilthyFizzle

Active Member
as i grab the glock, put it to your headpiece
theres on in the chamber the safety is off release straight to your dome homes
i wanna see cabbage
biggie smalls a savage
doin your braincells much damage
Teflon is the material for the imperial
Mic grippa girl strippa the henny sippa
I drop lyrics off and on like a light switch
Quick to grab the white bitch and make her drive the Q
.45s glock and techs are expected when i wreck shit
Respect is collected so check it
I got techniques drippin out my but cheeks
Sleep on my stomach so i dont fuck up my sheets.
My my shit is deep
deeper than my grave g
i'm ready to die and nobody can save me
fuck the world fuck my ma and my girl
my life is played out like a jerri curl
Im ready to die
 
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