NO! On Prop 19

mr2shim said:

Completely true. They just want things to stay the same because they are fine with hit. They do not care about the future of this country or it's people. The NO to prop 19 are a bunch of stupid selfish fucks. They are nothing more than that. They can not come up with one good reason to vote no. Prop 19 NEEDS to pass. I can't say that enough, otherwise we are just putting national legalization of Cannabis on hold again. Dumping water on the fire that's finally burning strong enough to cook something. Whatever analogy you can think of, the "no to 19" aren't helping anything.

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You don't live here.

That makes your opinions worthless.

Go away.

I do my best to communicate.

If you are unable to understand what I say, it isn't my problem.

I think I was pretty clear.

And your opinion doesn't count.

veggiegardener said:

You don't live here.

That makes your opinions worthless.

Go away.

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to all of the out of state people that think they know whats best for us.

veggiegardener said:

You don't live here.

That makes your opinions worthless.

Go away.

I do my best to communicate.

If you are unable to understand what I say, it isn't my problem.

I think I was pretty clear.

And your opinion doesn't count.

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i with you brother,

veggiegardener said:

That's just your inability to understand the big picture, showing.

BTW, I AM legal, and have been, for over a decade.

Why fuck with THAT?

If you aren't, that is just your laziness.

You'll pay a ton more in taxes than the cost of a recommendation, if this piece of shit passes.

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Thank you for your evaluation of my cognitive skills. So noted and duly filed.

I am legal, but I am still trying to figure out the argument that I will pay even a single cent more in taxes because of prop 19...

You seem to be simply saying; "I am fine, fuck you". I am not impugning your character, just stating how I perceive your argument. Medical Marijuana laws did not change the status, they just created an exemption.

Almost the entire "MMJ" system is predicated on a lie, but this is just my observation. I have valid reasons for my recommendation, but when I see 10 perfectly healthy 20 something’s in a dispensary looking for "product" on a Friday afternoon, well...

The plant should be legal, do you agree or disagree...because right now it is not. Sure, we can opt to keep everything the same. The same people will continue to make lots of money off the "prohibited", and lots of innocent people will continue to be fucked with for no reason. The purpose of the original prohibition was based on lie, do you care to do anything to change the unjust laws?

klmmicro said:

Thank you for your evaluation of my cognitive skills. So noted and duly filed.

I am legal, but I am still trying to figure out the argument that I will pay even a single cent more in taxes because of prop 19...

You seem to be simply saying; "I am fine, fuck you". I am not impugning your character, just stating how I perceive your argument. Medical Marijuana laws did not change the status, they just created an exemption.

Almost the entire "MMJ" system is predicated on a lie, but this is just my observation. I have valid reasons for my recommendation, but when I see 10 perfectly healthy 20 something’s in a dispensary looking for "product" on a Friday afternoon, well...

The plant should be legal, do you agree or disagree...because right now it is not. Sure, we can opt to keep everything the same. The same people will continue to make lots of money off the "prohibited", and lots of innocent people will continue to be fucked with for no reason. The purpose of the original prohibition was based on lie, do you care to do anything to change the unjust laws?

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Hear, Hear!!!

I know, I know. Think for myself, right veggie? lol, at you.

klmmicro said:

The same people will continue to make lots of money off the "prohibited", and lots of innocent people will continue to be fucked with for no reason. The purpose of the original prohibition was based on lie

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The only thing about this statement that will change with the passage of prop 19 is that fewer of the same people will be making MORE money.

This is modified prohibition designed to make a very few, very wealthy...It's very purpose is based on a lie as well.

Forcing people to grow indoors, or buy warehouse buds with the associated fees/taxes when the one outdoor plant is gone is NOT legalization.

It is NOT illegal to take any OTC, prescription drug, consume any form of alcohol or tobacco product or eat a nice big juicy tomato in front of your children...WHY??? Obviously...these things are legal (not prohibited).

Not only does prop 19 make it illegal to use Cannabis in the presence of your own minor child...it is a damn felony!!!! And don;t give me any crap about hotboxing and contact highs, or smoking massive amounts that smoke up a room ...this is something that KIDS do, not adults casually smoking.

So this is NOT legalization!

I am certainly not going to vote "yes" for this, making pot a little less legal in California, so that people in other states can be a little closer to the dream...taking one for the team...screw that!

It is often said in these threads that the only people who are against prop 19 are drug dealers that are selling what they grow and will lose money with Dickie's modified prohibition....BS!!!!

The only people FOR prop 19 are out of stater's or those who have already made steps towards the dream of the warehouse grow.

Hayduke said:

The only people FOR prop 19 are out of stater's or those who have already made steps towards the dream of the warehouse grow.

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What? Impossible! Out-of-state people tampering with a local election? Preposterous! You must be a mexican cartel medical grower that just wants to make blood money off of prohibition that hates kittens and senior citizens. You must be a republican that secretly hates marijuana users. You are the scum of the earth because I cant understand your position on this subject because I cant be taught how to think critically! Fuck you Osama Bin Laden Hayduke! Go eat some jew-baby hearts while torturing non-violent drug offenders sitting in prison!

Californians should be thankful for their opportunity to change the future and possibly bring their state back from economic disaster. Instead, We get almost a split decision heavily based on personal gains. Typical materialistic, selfish, thoughtless logic.

budling357 said:

Californians should be thankful for their opportunity to change the future and possibly bring their state back from economic disaster. Instead, We get almost a split decision heavily based on personal gains. Typical materialistic, selfish, thoughtless logic.

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Taxes, fees and assessments collected under Prop. 19 are to be used for regulation and enforcement of the cannabis industry. Typical baseless argument.

baseless?

Lets just start with the hemp industry job opportunities. Or savings within the justice system. Maybe even greener ways of living. Etc.

This is getting redundant. Yes voters continue to point out 19's possibilities for the future of america, shyt, the world for that matter. And the No voters continue to point out their fears and selfishness.

budling357 said:

baseless?

Lets just start with the hemp industry job opportunities. Or savings within the justice system. Maybe even greener ways of living. Etc.

This is getting redundant. Yes voters continue to point out 19's possibilities for the future of america, shyt, the world for that matter. And the No voters continue to point out their fears and selfishness.

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Yes... this is more baseless supposition. At least you're starting to recognize your own fallacies.

Ever felt like you've been cheated? You probably deserved it! Losers usually do....... Winners just get on with it

A man of his own words, eh?

We the 215ers feel we will be cheated, so f the rest.

If 19 effects 215 "You probably deserved it!"

TokinPodPilot said:

Taxes, fees and assessments collected under Prop. 19 are to be used for regulation and enforcement of the cannabis industry. Typical baseless argument.

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The tax revenues will go into a general fund for those cities and municipalities that choose to tax/regulate cannabis. The regulation and enforcement has to be covered somehow which the taxes would be designed to do. How else would you see this being paid for? Most cities in California are broke, so digging in another fund when every other fund is tapped out is not going to get the job done. I don't want to see any more teachers laid off either...I don't want to see ANYONE laid off as we all need to keep food on the table.

If making me seem like the bad guy makes you feel better about your willingness to criminalize young adults and add felonies to the law books, then you do what you gotta do. No matter how you twist things, a Yes vote does exactly that.

drherbalist said:

The tax revenues will go into a general fund for those cities and municipalities that choose to tax/regulate cannabis. The regulation and enforcement has to be covered somehow which the taxes would be designed to do. How else would you see this being paid for? Most cities in California are broke, so digging in another fund when every other fund is tapped out is not going to get the job done. I don't want to see any more teachers laid off either...I don't want to see ANYONE laid off as we all need to keep food on the table.

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Sorry, I could never personally rationalize paying a tax to fund further enforcement, especially since young adults will have been suddenly criminalized for simple possession. The only ones this keeps employed are the ones arresting cannabis users. Thanks, but no thanks.

budling357 said:

Californians should be thankful for their opportunity to change the future and possibly bring their state back from economic disaster. Instead, We get almost a split decision heavily based on personal gains. Typical materialistic, selfish, thoughtless logic.

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Right....

TokinPodPilot said:

Taxes, fees and assessments collected under Prop. 19 are to be used for regulation and enforcement of the cannabis industry. Typical baseless argument.

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Exactly!

The Ruiner said:

What? Impossible! Out-of-state people tampering with a local election? Preposterous! You must be a mexican cartel medical grower that just wants to make blood money off of prohibition that hates kittens and senior citizens. You must be a republican that secretly hates marijuana users. You are the scum of the earth because I cant understand your position on this subject because I cant be taught how to think critically! Fuck you Osama Bin Laden Hayduke! Go eat some jew-baby hearts while torturing non-violent drug offenders sitting in prison!

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Hehe...For the record...I could live without cats!

TokinPodPilot said:

If making me seem like the bad guy makes you feel better about your willingness to criminalize young adults and add felonies to the law books, then you do what you gotta do. No matter how you twist things, a Yes vote does exactly that.

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Yup...And wow!!! They are saying that we are voting Know out of selfishness!?!?!?!?!?

OMFG!!! They are only concerned with their own speaker box grow suddenly being legal under certain circumstances

The easiest way to hide one's profiteering motives is to accuse the opposition of profiteering. I wonder which side of a commercialization bill would have profit motives to hide.... I wonder....

Yeah!!! keep up the good work!!! The most recent reuters/ispos poll show prop 19 down by 10 points!!!
Let's hit this thing hard!! Derail and debunk this horrible legislation!! Leave it by the wayside derailed, abandoned, shipwrecked, forgotten, and defeated!!!

Prop 19 will set us all back decades. Prop 19 enforces all existing marijuana laws and even adds more some of which are serious felonies. It's a Trojan Horse, a fake.

Keep marijuana legal. Vote no on prop 19. Prohibition never worked and prop 19 is prohibition that provides funding allocated to enforce these "new" laws as well as the old laws and prohibitions.

Let's hit em hard and tell the truth about prop 19. Get the word out. Hopefully it will keep going down in the polls and we will win and marijuana will stay legal.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20101006/hl_nm/us_usa_elections_california_marijuana_3

Good news indeed.

growermike666 said:

Yeah!!! keep up the good work!!! The most recent reuters/ispos poll show prop 19 down by 10 points!!!
Let's hit this thing hard!! Derail and debunk this horrible legislation!! Leave it by the wayside derailed, abandoned, shipwrecked, forgotten, and defeated!!!

Prop 19 will set us all back decades. Prop 19 enforces all existing marijuana laws and even adds more some of which are serious felonies. It's a Trojan Horse, a fake.

Keep marijuana legal. Vote no on prop 19. Prohibition never worked and prop 19 is prohibition that provides funding allocated to enforce these "new" laws as well as the old laws and prohibitions.

Let's hit em hard and tell the truth about prop 19. Get the word out. Hopefully it will keep going down in the polls and we will win and marijuana will stay legal.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20101006/hl_nm/us_usa_elections_california_marijuana_3

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Marijuana is currently illegal in all 50 states. With the exception of MMJ card holders. Which is an exception not making it legal. You and the others who are voting no are very sadly misguided and very confused.

Prohibition is what's going on now, how is legalizing something prohibition?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_in_the_United_States

I really feel bad some of you guys are wasting your votes because you've been mislead. Completely illegal as of 10/10/2010

Medical Marijuana is an exception, nothing more. It is still very much illegal to the general population. You aren't helping you are making the problem worse.