No more OIL?

So a couple of my friends and I were talking about automotive technology. Why haven't we moved away from oil dependent technology?

So the questions are posed:

1) What fuel source would we substitute?

2) How do you implement the change without being assassinated?

My response was to hire some minds to compose a "Global Economic Strategy" that makes it feasible to stop buying oil WITH OUT crippling the global economy.

And hydrogen or alcohol for fuel...

Or cannabis of course (diesel engines)

afrawfraw said:

Or cannabis of course (diesel engines)

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Diddo, hemp could flatten the petrol oil market. Thats why THE newspaper/lumber company and THE chemical company (oils) aka hearst and dupont, rallied so hard in the 1930's for hemp to be made illegal. With the help of their propoganda (def. helped to own the newspaper) and Anslinger (Federal bureau of narcotics Head), it was easy for hemp to suffer the clutches of capitolism. I know Hemp, and all its byproducts could save the energy crisis and maybe even the planet.

afrawfraw said:

My response was to hire some minds to compose a "Global Economic Strategy" that makes it feasible to stop buying oil WITH OUT crippling the global economy.

And hydrogen or alcohol for fuel...

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Probably not going to happen since the USA and, as a result, it's allies have and still are spending trillions of dollars on a war for oil and monopoly over oil.....the Money(oil and its corporate allies) that control these governments will continue to choke the citizens into depending on oil without another option.

drumbum3218 said:

Probably not going to happen since the USA and, as a result, it's allies have and still are spending trillions of dollars on a war for oil and monopoly over oil.....the Money(oil and its corporate allies) that control these governments will continue to choke the citizens into depending on oil without another option.

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I agree, but if a plan was devised to keep the fat cats fat, I know they wouldn't care. I know a couple that went from oil to nursery's..It's all about the bottom line with them, of course. LOL

drumbum3218 said:

Diddo, hemp could flatten the petrol oil market. Thats why THE newspaper/lumber company and THE chemical company (oils) aka hearst and dupont, rallied so hard in the 1930's for hemp to be made illegal. With the help of their propoganda (def. helped to own the newspaper) and Anslinger (Federal bureau of narcotics Head), it was easy for hemp to suffer the clutches of capitolism. I know Hemp, and all its byproducts could save the energy crisis and maybe even the planet.

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It would, of course. Costs alone would make it more profitable. Now how to get the timber corps to grow...Hmmmmmm

Most people do not realize the diesel engine was originally designed to run on bio-diesel. Hempseed bio-diesel was one of the fuels originally used.

Unfortunately, petroleum was becoming popular as a fuel source at around the same time. I believe a major petroleum discovery like Spindletop was made shortly he patented the engine. So petroleum diesel became the standard rather than bio-diesel.

http://www.hempcar.org/diesel.shtml

Johnnyorganic said:

Most people do not realize the diesel engine was originally designed to run on bio-diesel. Hempseed bio-diesel was one of the fuels originally used.

Unfortunately, petroleum was becoming popular as a fuel source at around the same time. I believe a major petroleum discovery like Spindletop was made shortly he patented the engine. So petroleum diesel became the standard rather than bio-diesel.

http://www.hempcar.org/diesel.shtml

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I believe peanut oil or something was used for testing. The crude oils were thick, but diesel used compressed air to compensate...It's a shame we can't move in that direction yet.

Don't quote me on this but when I did research into small scale hydrogen production for use in car I found some information that lead me to believe around the time of the automotive boom, a huge scientific discovery that you could spilt water by simply applying an electric current was being researched. Which eventually lead to the development of the internal combustion engine that was designed to run on water. When this was seen as unprofitable, or even impossible petroleum based fuels began to flourish in the market.

There is actually a guy, name is escaping me at the moment, who designed a BMW to run on was feed into the regular fuel port. This car was a moving vehicle, when reports of his death started to surface people began to speculate assassination. I guess his hotel room did explode into a indistinguishable mess.

Peace

Fossil fuels are by far the most cost effective and practical fuels. That is why they are used - it has nothing to do with any conspiracies. Hydrogen or other gases are difficult to store in significant quantity and until recently electric vehicles were not viable. Hydrogen fuel cells are a great technology but too expensive. The most promising technology seems to be electric plug in vehicles. As electric motor technology and battery technology improves, these will become more practical.

At any rate, make no mistake about it. The stumbling blocks are the practical and cost limitations of the various fuel sources and lack of technology. There is no conspiracy.

were in a pointless war for oil right now. putting ourselves so deep into debt so that our country has stakes on the last few drops of oil. we will never kick our oil addiction untill it is all gone and trust me the withdrawals from oil are going to cripple this planet

afrawfraw said:

I believe peanut oil or something was used for testing. The crude oils were thick, but diesel used compressed air to compensate...It's a shame we can't move in that direction yet.

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You mean move in that direction again.

Peanut oil was only one of the fuels tested in the beginning.

Many different bio-diesels were tested because Mr. Diesel imagined his engines run on locally-produced fuel.

Johnnyorganic said:

You mean move in that direction again.

Peanut oil was only one of the fuels tested in the beginning.

Many different bio-diesels were tested because Mr. Diesel imagined his engines run on locally-produced fuel.

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I wasn't referring to technology, but rather the ability to use it. Hybrids and electrical cars are ancient, but it isn't until now that auto makers can sell it...

this problem cant be solved over night and we all now that, so a real plan must be drawn up and thinking in a capitalist way is proably a good idea because money is important. we all see ethanol was a joke. we must think biodiesel this seems the most logical answer for several reasons. it can be mass produced from many different materials my favorite is algae, very cost effective.solar and wind should be high on the list along with battery technology. only a combination of this will make it all work. all of these creat new jobs, new farms would grow again. hell we pay farmers not to grow crops now with goverment subsidies, i just saved millions right there. and created a new market. these new biodiesel plants could be powered by solar and wind, not oil. thus that will give large scale solar and wind farms a industry to build on.

when gas goes up above 3.50 this economic recovery will stall and stall hard. we must drill to bridge the gap or the gap just gets bigger and bigger.

afrawfraw said:

I wasn't referring to technology, but rather the ability to use it. Hybrids and electrical cars are ancient, but it isn't until now that auto makers can sell it...

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The very first sentence of your thread began, and I quote, "So a couple of my friends and I were talking about automotive technology. Why haven't we moved away from oil dependent technology?"

You are either referring to technology or you are not....

So what exactly are you referring to?

Who Killed the Electric Car=good movie

Johnnyorganic said:

The very first sentence of your thread began, and I quote, "So a couple of my friends and I were talking about automotive technology. Why haven't we moved away from oil dependent technology?"

You are either referring to technology or you are not....

So what exactly are you referring to?

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Technology AS IT APPLIES to everyone.

Yes, we CAN change...But how... REALISTICALLY!

Just because we can do something, doesn't mean we will.

Yes, you can grow fields of corn and process them yourself, and buy a diesel truck, and convert it, and maintain it...

But when will a LAWYER go to a BMW dealer and get a RELIABLE bio-diesel car because he HAS to?

And I want a Wankel Hydrogen engine, not a diesel!!!

Look in to it. Then get ready to be labeled as a conspiracy theorist.

afrawfraw said:

So a couple of my friends and I were talking about automotive technology. Why haven't we moved away from oil dependent technology?

So the questions are posed:

1) What fuel source would we substitute?

2) How do you implement the change without being assassinated?

My response was to hire some minds to compose a "Global Economic Strategy" that makes it feasible to stop buying oil WITH OUT crippling the global economy.

And hydrogen or alcohol for fuel...

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