No, lower budsites DO NOT need light to develop! Get educated.

Hazydat620 said:

I know it pisses you pompous fucks off too much to not do it. Still doesn't change the fact that your a joke, and your "advanced" techniques are really just basic's that you find in any beginners guide to cannabis. Why would you only want 4 tops, when you can have as many as you like. those aren't "lower" buds in those pictures, that's lower side branching on a main cola. You are probably the most basic grower on RIU UB.

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I'm a simple man that sticks to basic botanical principles.

You're just another rude RIU prick.

Now that we have that new paradigm out of the way, next question please.

UB

I'm always amazed at how the people who think they have it all figured out are the first ones to ignore the most commonly known fact when it comes to horticulture- leaves are where the Photosynthesis takes place, not the flowers. I'll go out on a limb here and suggest the growers not having luck with under-canopy bud production are the same folks assuming the leaves below the canopy are useless because they're not receiving the direct light at the same levels as the tops and proceed to clip them. It's proven light will penetrate even the thickest of canopy directly through the leaves to the lower growth. The two pics I attached show a sativa strain growing under CFL's in a small closet. I never took a single leaf from this plant, only trained it to stay low. As you can see, the smaller growth that started below the canopy migrated to the outsides to reach more light. The leaves reaching for the light are what's responsible for those lower bud sites flourishing. Had I removed leaves from the lower part of this plant during its veg period, those buds wouldn't exist and would have considerably lowered my yield on this plant. Now, please don't get all hateful and think I'm trying to prove anything here. All I've proven is for this particular plant, under these particular conditions, with the soil I used and the lights I chose, the plant responded with massive growth, no yellowing of under-growth. Sadly, this beautiful plant only made it to the sixth week of flowering before being frostbitten and killed. It almost made me puke watching it die.

Uncle Ben said:

I'm a simple man that sticks to basic botanical principles.

You're just another rude RIU prick.

Now that we have that new paradigm out of the way, next question please.

UB

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Then why is your thread called "advanced" ? LOL, you act like that avatar pic should be the standard for what all plants should look like. A real prick is the one who has his own thread to spew his garbage, but still feels the need to roam others threads and give his condescending input. If they want your advice they will seek it, your worst than Mormons walking door to door, never knowing when they aren't welcome. If I'm a prick cause I'm not buying you pile of shit that your selling as a bowl of ice cream, than so be it, I'll own it.

I don't PH or defoliate....I'm a noob using 7-7-7 Dynagrow. I use to be addicted to grow books and snake oil until UB changed my whole perspective on shit. Yeah, I hated UB at first too... no way could growing weed be that simple. the 20 year old at the Green Garden Hydro shop has to know what he's talking about, right?! I mean I bought 1000$ worth of nutrients and equipment off of him so he has to be honest! right? .....UB isn't selling any of you a fucking thing... he is just trying to rescue noobs from the snake oil salesmen.

Ya its not a perfect grow but its gonna be bomb and a decent yield too I bet. So like 40$s of nutrients for 75 plants... and my soil was so cheap its not funny. 50$ for a yard but I only needed half a yard.

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Then why is your thread called "advanced" ? LOL, you act like that avatar pic should be the standard for what all plants should look like. A real prick is the one who has his own thread to spew his garbage, but still feels the need to roam others threads and give his condescending input. If they want your advice they will seek it, your worst than Mormons walking door to door, never knowing when they aren't welcome. If I'm a prick cause I'm not buying you pile of shit that your selling as a bowl of ice cream, than so be it, I'll own it.

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Didn't you just roam his thread with your condescending input and bad grammar ?

chuck estevez said:

Didn't you just roam his thread with your condescending input and bad grammar ?

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If you learned how to read you would have saw that I owned up to it, what else are you looking for? Have you seen Oscars defoliation thread? Uncleben is nothing but a troll.

Rocketman64 said:

I'm always amazed at how the people who think they have it all figured out are the first ones to ignore the most commonly known fact when it comes to horticulture- leaves are where the Photosynthesis takes place, not the flowers. I'll go out on a limb here and suggest the growers not having luck with under-canopy bud production are the same folks assuming the leaves below the canopy are useless because they're not receiving the direct light at the same levels as the tops and proceed to clip them.

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I would agree. As mentioned in all the other defol threads, FR light penetrates leaf tissue.

Sorry you lost your plant, it was beautiful. Mother nature is brutal. I've been humbled (crushed) a thousand times. Good example is my peach crop. Late frost got most blossoms and hail the size of hens eggs pretty much finished it off. I now have winds gusting into the 30's tearing up my grapevines.

Hazydat620 said:

If you learned how to read you would have saw that I owned up to it, what else are you looking for? Have you seen Oscars defoliation thread? Uncleben is nothing but a troll.

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While you may think so, I learned plant botany and how to double my yields and quality from UB's teachings. Unlike you, I Like his condescending attitude. People generally are stupid and repeat shit like parrots. They buy anything marketed that they think will help them grow bigger better plants. Instead of looking past someones online attitude and reading what it is He keeps trying to teach.
If the people that are growing better and cheaper could send UB all the money he saved them, UB would be a millionaire.

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I don't PH or defoliate....I'm a noob using 7-7-7 Dynagrow. I use to be addicted to grow books and snake oil until UB changed my whole perspective on shit. Yeah, I hated UB at first too... no way could growing weed be that simple. the 20 year old at the Green Garden Hydro shop has to know what he's talking about, right?! I mean I bought 1000$ worth of nutrients and equipment off of him so he has to be honest! right? .....UB isn't selling any of you a fucking thing... he is just trying to rescue noobs from the snake oil salesmen.

Ya its not a perfect grow but its gonna be bomb and a decent yield too I bet. So like 40$s of nutrients for 75 plants... and my soil was so cheap its not funny. 50$ for a yard but I only needed half a yard.

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Good on ya! My outdoor growing is practically free with little to no maintenance. SCROG? You've got to be kidding me.

I mix my own soil from bulk materials that I stockpile, I'm gifted with $100's of "stuff" like the 3 gallons of Dyna-Gro products (PLUS a free T-shirt), I start with my own free crosses, I drop a 3 gal. pot with a foot high plant into a 3" deep hole in the field, run a 1 gph emitter on a 1/4" line from a irrigation line, add a nickel's worth of 10 month encapsulated plant food to the top of the soil and let mother nature take care of the rest. I'm not some government control freak trying to impede my plant's freedom to do its own thing with all kinds of restrictions - I stay out of its way and allow it to flourish.

chuck estevez said:

If the people that are growing better and cheaper could send UB all the money he saved them, UB would be a millionaire.

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Well....if you insist.

Address is 420 Bendejo Lane, Hazywood, Texas, 50420.

VISA, Mastercard and lean chicks with big funbags gladly accepted.

Uncle Ben said:

Well....if you insist.

Address is 420 Bendejo Lane, Hazywood, Texas, 50420.

VISA, Mastercard and lean chicks with big funbags gladly accepted.

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Wait, you have 420 in your address twice?

Hazydat620 said:

Uncleben is nothing but a troll.

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And you're not? Don't mind you trolling my thread, but drop the hate just a notch and contribute just a little something, OK?

Since you're way off into off-topic-never-never-land...... the difference between me "trolling" his thread and you trolling this thread is I gave some valuable considerations and valid contributions, some thoughts based on experience.... a few being to refute Oscar's lack of understandind plant processes.....for starts his insistence that budsites need light to produce which this thread has refuted. It is a typical newbie feel good paradigm not unlike flushing. He's taken the easy way out, a false explanation without any merit, as a cover up for failing to produce decent lower buds. Thinking that removing the very unit that produces those buds is hilarious! Who would waste their time?

I also tried to post pix showing my position but he was too cowardly and petty to allow them to stay and had them removed.

I pointed out that his is NOT a scientific experiment. It can not be confirmed by any one credible, any one with a phD for example who is well versed and seasoned regarding plant field studies. Any one with the least amount of higher education understands the strict parameters required for a bonafide, non-partisan experiment. Whose gonna certify the results, some hamburger flipper from McDonalds because they sell McNuggets?

He claims to be a botanist. Right.....

UB

mmjmon said:

Wait, you have 420 in your address twice?

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A clock hits the same time twice a day.

Uncle Ben said:

\ add a nickel's worth of 10 month encapsulated plant food to the top of the soil and let mother nature take care of the rest.

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May I ask what kind of 10 month encapsulated plant food you like to use?
Thanks.

If you despise UB and his material, what are you even still doing here? Readers want perspective and info, only some come with popcorn to see a drama.

mmjmon said:

May I ask what kind of 10 month encapsulated plant food you like to use?
Thanks.

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NP.

UncleReemis said:

If you despise UB and his material, what are you even still doing here? Readers want perspective and info, only some come with popcorn to see a drama.

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We have lots of popcorn, apparently, because none of us can grow as well as Uncle Ben and his gang

a senile fungus said:

We have lots of popcorn, apparently, because none of us can grow as well as Uncle Ben and his gang

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nice.

And why don't you guys just mainline at the first node, if you don't already, for optimal hormone distribution? That's as good a way as any to reduce on the popcornish results.

UncleReemis said:

nice.

And why don't you guys just mainline at the first node, if you don't already, for optimal hormone distribution? That's as good a way as any to reduce on the popcornish results.

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When I removed specific leaves I found that my popcorny branches would stretch up and through the canopy and compete with the other tops. I also found that my buds seemed to have more leafy material in them, I'm assuming because I had removed some fan leaves. Difference in yield? I think a positive difference in yield. Larger bugs from the bottom of the plant.

Why can't we discuss how removing leaves is a way of redirecting hormones in the plant as well?

Get a stronger light, removing leaves removes the process of photosynthesis.