No flush - white ash.

As a move to add to the growing empirical (but anecdotal) support for the lack of need to flush when using organic nutes in soil or coco. I just smoked a quick dry tester bud from one of my Shackzilla which has not been flushed, and has been getting 15ml of BioBizz 'Grow' 30ml of BioBizz 'Bloom' and 10ml of 'Bloom Cal/Mag' in 10 litres of water every watering, grown in BioBizz all mix soil. It was smoked through a clean bong bowl, and the ash has burnt down to very light grey and white. The taste was even good, slight tropical haze, even with a quick dry.

I no longer flush, instead I only use the 'Bloom' for the final two feeds - at 20ml per 10 litre for the penultimate feed, and 10ml per 10 litre for the final feed. I harvest when the pot is starting to lighten again after the final feed.

The way I understand it is that the plant does not store the nutrients in the buds (it uses them as part of its growth and development). It can store certain chemicals from nutrients in the buds if you use chemical fertilizer. I use organic so I tested the theory - I am now happy that using the growing media I use, and the nutrients I use mean that without flushing you end up with perfect smoking and tasting weed. The Sugar Punch I've just finished was the tastiest everyone who's smoked it has smoked in years - was more popular than cheese, and in the UK that's saying something. 'Expert' friends couldn't believe it wasn't flushed.

Now I'm sure there are gonna be people that disagree with me. But please, try the method I describe, and tell me if you don't get the same results!

Hey BIGBY.


Glad to hear you've been converted.


Just so you know the plants uptake inorganic ionic forms of nutrients.

With chemical nutes the ions are already available.

With organics they need to be converted by the beneficials.


But in both cases the plant uptakes inorganic ions regardless of how it gets them.

Now there obviously are differences between already available ionic nutes vs organic feeding.


Next time get yourself a small bottle of chem nutes to try on a test case.


Bet you a pound to a pinch of shit you come back with the same conclusion. Lol.


Welcome to the wonderful world of feeding your plants until the end.


Can I hear you say, green leaves and big harvests??? Lol.



J

Bigby said:

As a move to add to the growing empirical (but anecdotal) support for the lack of need to flush when using organic nutes in soil or coco. I just smoked a quick dry tester bud from one of my Shackzilla which has not been flushed, and has been getting 15ml of BioBizz 'Grow' 30ml of BioBizz 'Bloom' and 10ml of 'Bloom Cal/Mag' in 10 litres of water every watering, grown in BioBizz all mix soil. It was smoked through a clean bong bowl, and the ash has burnt down to very light grey and white. The taste was even good, slight tropical haze, even with a quick dry.

I no longer flush, instead I only use the 'Bloom' for the final two feeds - at 20ml per 10 litre for the penultimate feed, and 10ml per 10 litre for the final feed. I harvest when the pot is starting to lighten again after the final feed.

The way I understand it is that the plant does not store the nutrients in the buds (it uses them as part of its growth and development). It can store certain chemicals from nutrients in the buds if you use chemical fertilizer. I use organic so I tested the theory - I am now happy that using the growing media I use, and the nutrients I use mean that without flushing you end up with perfect smoking and tasting weed. The Sugar Punch I've just finished was the tastiest everyone who's smoked it has smoked in years - was more popular than cheese, and in the UK that's saying something. 'Expert' friends couldn't believe it wasn't flushed.

Now I'm sure there are gonna be people that disagree with me. But please, try the method I describe, and tell me if you don't get the same results!

Click to expand...

And the lunatics have finally taken over the asylum. The Organic Tastes Better Show roles on....... Any other lazy excuses? Perhaps if you don't trim the fan leaves off it tastes best. Maybe smoking the fucking soil adds some hippy juice to the flavour.

Anyone notice how, since this "medical marijuana" hijack, the accepted "best practices" have become lazier and lazier? First- hydro started to disappear and soil became the medium of choice...... Then doing away with mixing nutrient solutions according to your plants development and size and, instead "pre-mixing" it all into the soil before even beginning to grow became best....... Now it seems the best practice is now that- you don't even need to flush........ It tastes better don't ya know!!! Jesus H Christ. Between this "Organic is Bestest because a hippy guy says so" and "I only grow feminized"......... Will the last one out please turn off the lights?

Unflushed bud with organics........ Ok buddy. Most organic stuff people grow tastes crap and the buds have no density so this will def help. Maybe some organic unflushed fan leaves will win the comps this year?

This organic is best and I can mix rotting animal matter into my soil and not flush is destroying MJ. If people want to grow a feminized seed in a soil mix that they mixed once at the start of the plants life and not flush that's up to them........ I'll do my own thing and smoke my own buds thanks.

jumpy0ne said:

And the lunatics have finally taken over the asylum. The Organic Tastes Better Show roles on....... Any other lazy excuses? Perhaps if you don't trim the fan leaves off it tastes best. Maybe smoking the fucking soil adds some hippy juice to the flavour.

Anyone notice how, since this "medical marijuana" hijack, the accepted "best practices" have become lazier and lazier? First- hydro started to disappear and soil became the medium of choice...... Then doing away with mixing nutrient solutions according to your plants development and size and, instead "pre-mixing" it all into the soil before even beginning to grow became best....... Now it seems the best practice is now that- you don't even need to flush........ It tastes better don't ya know!!! Jesus H Christ. Between this "Organic is Bestest because a hippy guy says so" and "I only grow feminized"......... Will the last one out please turn off the lights?

Unflushed bud with organics........ Ok buddy. Most organic stuff people grow tastes crap and the buds have no density so this will def help. Maybe some organic unflushed fan leaves will win the comps this year?

This organic is best and I can mix rotting animal matter into my soil and not flush is destroying MJ. If people want to grow a feminized seed in a soil mix that they mixed once at the start of the plants life and not flush that's up to them........ I'll do my own thing and smoke my own buds thanks.

Click to expand...

What???


Are you actually serious about the competitions reference?


You honestly think that " high times cup" " cannabis cup" blah blah etc etc aren't just a joke and people probably pay judges for their herb to win.


How come greenhouse seeds regularly have winners??? Now that's the joke.


I can only presume from your comments that you must be a "flusher"?


Have you personally ever tried feeding your plant right? Without over or under feeding?

In this instance there is no excesses in plant tissues.


Do you see tobacco growers flushing their crops?


J

I don't flush and mine burns clean.

ricky1lung said:

I don't flush and mine burns clean.

Click to expand...

I haven't flushed my chemically fed plants in nearly 2 years.

Clean white ash, no chem taste, no snap crackle and pop etc etc.


Flushing is something OLD SKOOL growers had to do because of over feeding.




J

Same here...couldn't agree more. Jumpyone, go flush your toilet, it's full of shit.

Jumpys tolerance is too high. He forgot entirely why we smoke. I wouldn't have even seen the post if not for the quotation, but I remember now what got him there.

Once I get the hang of this, maybe I'll try organic. Nutes are for new-b's. Organic is orgasmic. lol

jumpy0ne said:

And the lunatics have finally taken over the asylum. The Organic Tastes Better Show roles on....... Any other lazy excuses? Perhaps if you don't trim the fan leaves off it tastes best. Maybe smoking the fucking soil adds some hippy juice to the flavour.

Anyone notice how, since this "medical marijuana" hijack, the accepted "best practices" have become lazier and lazier? First- hydro started to disappear and soil became the medium of choice...... Then doing away with mixing nutrient solutions according to your plants development and size and, instead "pre-mixing" it all into the soil before even beginning to grow became best....... Now it seems the best practice is now that- you don't even need to flush........ It tastes better don't ya know!!! Jesus H Christ. Between this "Organic is Bestest because a hippy guy says so" and "I only grow feminized"......... Will the last one out please turn off the lights?

Unflushed bud with organics........ Ok buddy. Most organic stuff people grow tastes crap and the buds have no density so this will def help. Maybe some organic unflushed fan leaves will win the comps this year?

This organic is best and I can mix rotting animal matter into my soil and not flush is destroying MJ. If people want to grow a feminized seed in a soil mix that they mixed once at the start of the plants life and not flush that's up to them........ I'll do my own thing and smoke my own buds thanks.

Click to expand...

Well done on the ownership of your opinion and the consequent need to attack others to make up for the insecurities in such a philosophy.

Would rather be a lunatic than an underdeveloped archaic throwback. Be happy!

jondamon said:

What???


Are you actually serious about the competitions reference?


You honestly think that " high times cup" " cannabis cup" blah blah etc etc aren't just a joke and people probably pay judges for their herb to win.


How come greenhouse seeds regularly have winners??? Now that's the joke.


I can only presume from your comments that you must be a "flusher"?


Have you personally ever tried feeding your plant right? Without over or under feeding?

In this instance there is no excesses in plant tissues.


Do you see tobacco growers flushing their crops?


J

Click to expand...

He is a colonialized capitalist sheep. Baaaaaaaaa.

With archaic tactics of ridicule and derision which only work on other insecure sheep. Baaaaaaaa.

Yep. You're def right. How dare I argue with the conventionally accepted fake hippy wisdom. How dare I suggest that seed company competition growers are better than anonymous internet organic soil hypesters. Soil is for beginners and then when you come full circle it's for the expert again. But...... For 99% of (serious) growers it's the beginners material.

I wasn't specifically referring to the HIGH TIMES/DEA Cup but......... You're right that the PUBLIC judged (people like you i'm guessing) CoffeeShop Cups do regularly turn out for G'Hse. The trick with the CoffeeShop Cup is to check out 3rd Place....... As for the seed company cup(judged by an anonymous ballot of invited judges expert judges)...... I'll use the year 2011 as a reference........ Kosher won. I'm sure it was hydro. Second was Hortilab's Starbud.Hydro. Third was Tahoe. Hydro. I guess since organic soil is sooo amazing it was too cool to qualify or something.......?? I mean.... Soma was there waving around some fluffy shite on a stick........ You'll have to as him where it placed.......? As for reality....... Occasionally, when a really fucking good grower gets his/her hands on the right strain organics comes close and sometimes wins.

I do like the raw outrage people show when someone suggests that there is some validity in competitions......... I like how the average person is free to assume and imply he/she is better, much better, at growing than the people that grow the competition buds. I bet they are. All of them. Every single on of these soil, organic proponents can out grow the seed company pros. The comparison can be made to sportsfans screaming at Messi on the TV like they could do it better.........

I actually like organics, the taste is great and I rate the sun too ..... There is a time and a place for it. A small handful of good, really good,growers are capable of producing organics comparable to what the Average Joe can do with hydro. Organics is a noble pursuit, but for most people it's total folly. These 20 something's hauling shit and filth into their 9th floor apartments in the name of organics.......... Good on you!

You can take my soil but you'll never take my hydro AAARRRGGGGHHHH (Picture an angry anti-semite with a painted face in a skirt charging at some English fella's)!!!!!!

Great post Bigby, I am glad you found what works for you.
I also do not flush my plants and they are great. I guess others get a little but hurt
when their reasoning for flushing is made null and void by another grower that just took care
of their plant and got the same result.

direwolf71 said:

Same here...couldn't agree more. Jumpyone, go flush your toilet, it's full of shit.

Click to expand...

This guy right here. Are you famous? You should be. My you're funny and clever. How the girls must swoon over you and your organic bud...........

Bigby said:

Well done on the ownership of your opinion and the consequent need to attack others to make up for the insecurities in such a philosophy.

Would rather be a lunatic than an underdeveloped archaic throwback. Be happy!

Click to expand...

No, no good sir. Allow me to congratulate you on the condescending and self absorbed tone you have.

Since when did those placing faith in scientific development of nutrients stop being the cutting edge? Archaic throwback? Is that a joke?

And picking shit and leaves off the floor and stirring them in a pot, not PHing or flushing is the cutting edge! This is the lazy growers upside down world thread I guess.

Shackzilla is really very nice too. Still got an amazing head high well over an hour later from an early quick dry tester. Makes it very easy to float over hateful children and their tactics of bile - regardless of how jumpy a one they may be!

Really looking forward to my delicious harvest of unflushed hazey goodness.

jumpy0ne said:

No, no good sir. Allow me to congratulate you on the condescending and self absorbed tone you have.

Since when did those placing faith in scientific development of nutrients stop being the cutting edge? Archaic throwback? Is that a joke?

And picking shit and leaves off the floor and stirring them in a pot, not PHing or flushing is the cutting edge! This is the lazy growers upside down world thread I guess.

Click to expand...

Thank you very much!

Let's all argue like we understand the other person! Let's all put faith in science! Let's all attack other people whilst high on cannabis! Yippee doodee USA Gay!

jumpy0ne said:

No, no good sir. Allow me to congratulate you on the condescending and self absorbed tone you have.

Since when did those placing faith in scientific development of nutrients stop being the cutting edge? Archaic throwback? Is that a joke?

And picking shit and leaves off the floor and stirring them in a pot, not PHing or flushing is the cutting edge! This is the lazy growers upside down world thread I guess.

Click to expand...

growing in hydro and pumping the plant full of chem nutes, I would flush too.

Bigby said:

Shackzilla is really very nice too. Still got an amazing head high well over an hour later from an early quick dry tester. Makes it very easy to float over hateful children and their tactics of bile - regardless of how jumpy a one they may be!

Really looking forward to my delicious harvest of unflushed hazey goodness.

Click to expand...

Yup, I just had a tester off of a WW and a PE, both are jacked up on high levels of Dyna gro,
yet, they were tasty and clean smokers.