Nitrogen deficiency??!

The plant in the back looks a little light green. It is on day 43 of veg. 5 gallon bucket with Happy Frog and perlite. The strain is Critical Kush. Feeding with the Fox Farms Trio.
The 2nd pic is a top view of the CK.
The 3rd pic is the CK up front. I gave the light green one a good feeding of grow big. Hopefully that's all it is. What are your guys thoughts??
 

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JohnySmith1

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It's hard to say, you should have made pictures closer to the plant. From what I can see, it looks like a nitrogen toxicity and very beginning of magnesium deficiency. I would leave it as it is until next watering, and than give it cal/mag at 200 PPM concentration, and silicon at 100 PPM and nothing else. Also collect run-off and take PPM readings, don't bother about pH, as run-off does not show the exact pH at the root zone! At this stage nutrients concentration should not be more then 600 PPM. Also your plants look a little over watered, only water when your pot is light to lift, or when at least inch of the soil is dry.
 

az2000

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They look fine. I don't see any deficiency. Be sure to get good (20%) runoff when feeding. It's common to get salt build up in the soil that you'll discover a couple weeks into flower. Good runoff can reduce this. Tracking your runoff ppm can inform you that it's happening before you see as a symptom in the plant.
 
Thanks for the quick responses guys. I'm going to get some cal-mag in the morning. I water once a week. Usually half a gallon. Is that to much?
 

az2000

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Thanks for the quick responses guys. I'm going to get some cal-mag in the morning. I water once a week. Usually half a gallon. Is that to much?
I don't think you need calmag. What kind of water do you use? Tap water or RO? If it's the latter I could see adding 2ml/gal calmag to replace the lost minerals from filtering. But, I wouldn't add calmag just because it's common. If you don't have a ca nor mg def, there's no reason to increase them.

When (not if) you have ca or mg def, you can treat them specifically with gypsum and epsom salt, respectively. The only time you'd want to use calmag to treat a deficiency is when you have both ca and mg def. If you have gypsum and epsom salt on hand to treat individual deficienies, you can use both to treat ca/mg if they occur together.

Most calmag products contain N (due to the calcium supplied as calcium nitrate). Your plants might benefit from more N. But, you can supply that more naturally (supporting the soil biology which contributes to the plant's uptake of nutrients) with Alaska Fish Emulsion (home depot, lowes).

Calmag's not necessary in soil if you amend dolomite in the soil and your water has some ppms (not RO water).

Regarding quantity to feed. Once a week sounds infrequent to me. I'd improve drainage to your next grow. Try to get down to 3 days. Feeding with 20% runoff is always a good idea. It's either that or flush (heavy) when switching to flower. I think the infrequent "mini flush" each feeding is less stressful to the plant.

Whether you feed a half gallon or more is up to you. You just want it to be enough that it produces runoff that's about 20% of the container's volume. (A 3gal container? Get 3 qts of runoff. Mix enough nutrients to do that.).
 
az2000 thanks for the informative response. I still have a ton of learning to do, this is my first run. The first month or so is pretty easy. I'm going to go up to the hydro store and get cal mag and a few other supplements. Also the Alaskan Fish emulsion. I won't use anything until I know for sure. I'll wait a few days and see if my Grow Big feeding did the trick. It's Scary when the plants aren't happy. Again, thank all of you guys for your input!!
 
It's hard to say, you should have made pictures closer to the plant. From what I can see, it looks like a nitrogen toxicity and very beginning of magnesium deficiency. I would leave it as it is until next watering, and than give it cal/mag at 200 PPM concentration, and silicon at 100 PPM and nothing else. Also collect run-off and take PPM readings, don't bother about pH, as run-off does not show the exact pH at the root zone! At this stage nutrients concentration should not be more then 600 PPM. Also your plants look a little over watered, only water when your pot is light to lift, or when at least inch of the soil is dry.
Here are some closer pics, I fed it about 14 hours ago with 600ppm Grow Big. Everything is perky it's just light green. In the picture with the temps and humidity those two are the same strain. See the difference.
 

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Update: Plant is looking better now. Starting to get its green color back. All I did to it was add 1 pt of 600ppm grow big water. Seems to have done the job for now. Check out the pics.
 

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Dr. Who

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Fish emulsion,,,,works but stinks and contains undo amounts of heavy metals!

I would have upped the feed with a (little) bit of blood meal and used a foliar for quick N to the leaves.
 

az2000

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Fish emulsion,,,,works but stinks and contains undo amounts of heavy metals!

I would have upped the feed with a (little) bit of blood meal and used a foliar for quick N to the leaves.
All the organic stuff seems to suffer in some way. I've read blood meal is frowned upon by purists because it comes from slaughterhouses and is "loaded with antibiotics, hormones and steriods". Organic Gardening Magazine is reported to have advised against its use.

It's hard to know what's religious passion and what's reasonable caution. I tend to dismiss most of it as overreaction.
 
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