Raspberrykiwi
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No fighting 
it’s bad for the plant!
it’s bad for the plant!
Nitrogen deficiency?
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Dougnsalem
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I'm all for that. I don't appreciate moronic posts aimed at me, when those people just post moronic things....No fighting
From what I've seen, that's all Star Dog is good for.
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Star Dog
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It's hardly crime of the century!
Redskare87
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It’s normal bro, when you pull them off it’ll start pulling from new ones turning them yellow. pull them off when they’re completely yellow. you’re almost half way through nothing to trip about. the whole plant will be yellow in a few weeks and your investment will be worth every cent. If not, I’ll send you a ounce.
BluntMoniker
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Plants look great. Lots of nitrogen visible in the dark green leaves.. no need for more nitrogen.
When plants go into flower, the plant will cannibalize itself naturally. The plant puts a lot of effort into producing and storing energy into leaves, so it can later use that energy when its needed most (flowering).
All your seeing, is the plant utilizing the quickest/easiest access energy it can, nothing to worry about when the rest of your plant is healthy as hell. The plant will cannibalize the leaves that are not able to actively collect and store energy via sunlight, and are essentially useless to the plant for anything other than food. Completely normal. Leave them for the plant to feed on... it will fall off on its own naturally when the plant is done with it.
Great looking plants, keep up the good work!
mistergrafik
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A proper gentleman
Budzbuddha
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ok ... first , you gave way more nitrogen packed in leaf . That is something to be aware of especially during flower as it will impact flower formation and size. Excessive nitrogen can lead to malformed flowering - resulting in smaller buds.
Nitrogen helps during stretch phase and final branch setup , after that nitrogen drops down to help supplement pigment within leaf , cells and photosynthesis.
Your leaf is showing potassium deficiency ( K ) which could be locking out because of other element excess. There is a balance between elements- one goes sideways it impacts other.
Leaf showing margin / serrated edge yellowing which is typical and often is mistaken for burn.
Drop your nitro bump the K.
Nutty sKunK
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To me that looks like magnesium deficiency than N.
note the interveinal chlorosis on the leaves.
Feeding higher amounts of NPK Ca requires more Mag.
I would give Epsom salts at 1teaspoon per gal.
note the interveinal chlorosis on the leaves.
Feeding higher amounts of NPK Ca requires more Mag.
I would give Epsom salts at 1teaspoon per gal.
jimihendrix1
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Its Nitrogen Deficient
Weed wants basically the same amount of Nitrogen, as it does Phosphorous, and 2x the amount for Potassium, as it does Phosphorus. Weed is also one of the biggest consumers of Magnesium.
Its a MYTH to reduce Nitrogen in flowering. The main thing is the Ratio, and PPM.
Weed likes a ratio of 1-1-2. Aint me saying it either. Going by Tissue Analysis by a company thats been producing Plant Specific Fertilizers since the 70s, and fertilizer, and greenhouse supplies since the middle 60s.
All Nitrogen is to a plant is Protein.
Does it make logical sense to limit Protein, when flowering, as flowering causes the plant on average to both Stretch, and produce buds, and make other chemicals??? It makes no logical sense.
If one was to start lifting weights to try and get bigger, and stronger, and a child growing, would you limit their Protein??
Protein in Latin means of First Importance. All metabolic processes rely on Protein. Same for a plant.
Remember Ratio, and Concentration-PPM are what matters, not limiting Nitrogen.
Yes, 4-4-4 would have been better. At that rate, all you would need is a bit more Potassium. but 4-4 is perfect vs 3-9 for the first 2 ratios.
Weed wants basically the same amount of Nitrogen, as it does Phosphorous, and 2x the amount for Potassium, as it does Phosphorus. Weed is also one of the biggest consumers of Magnesium.
Its a MYTH to reduce Nitrogen in flowering. The main thing is the Ratio, and PPM.
Weed likes a ratio of 1-1-2. Aint me saying it either. Going by Tissue Analysis by a company thats been producing Plant Specific Fertilizers since the 70s, and fertilizer, and greenhouse supplies since the middle 60s.
All Nitrogen is to a plant is Protein.
Does it make logical sense to limit Protein, when flowering, as flowering causes the plant on average to both Stretch, and produce buds, and make other chemicals??? It makes no logical sense.
If one was to start lifting weights to try and get bigger, and stronger, and a child growing, would you limit their Protein??
Protein in Latin means of First Importance. All metabolic processes rely on Protein. Same for a plant.
Remember Ratio, and Concentration-PPM are what matters, not limiting Nitrogen.
Yes, 4-4-4 would have been better. At that rate, all you would need is a bit more Potassium. but 4-4 is perfect vs 3-9 for the first 2 ratios.
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mistergrafik
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This was really well written but in regards to Cannabis -
Reducing N at first flip until preflowers appear is like taking a deep breathe. I think your write up might have been correct in some aspects, I.E. the need for Magnesium. The reason being: Magnesium sits in the middle of a chlorophyll Molecule. Hence, Cal Mag was created and used when interveinal chlorosis is detected.
Back to the reduction of N
I do firmly believe making the plant "hold it's breath" until you see pre-flowers, and then adding N back in substantially increases explosive growth.
Try it out.
Reducing N on the flip, adding N back into your mix at pre-flower signs and then reducing it again to near 0 toward harvest.
mistergrafik
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And in regards to your analysis on protein. Look up intermittent fasting, and then a picture of the Wolverine.
mistergrafik
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So looking at the plant - I don't think it's deficient but rather locking out like @Budzbuddha stated earlier. You used EWC, Bioactive Compost, Fed it nutrients, and you transplanted into some of the hottest soil on the market. EWC and compost are a top dress that get watered in. Afterward you added another blend of Dry Amendments of 3-9-4 which is all purpose mix - If you look at the ingredients, that is a blend of almost every single dry amendment they offer combined into an all purpose box for simplicty; Some fast acting some slow release. It is better for Vegetative growth.
Your problem isn't deficiency it is imbalance. Listen to @Budzbuddha
Your problem isn't deficiency it is imbalance. Listen to @Budzbuddha
jimihendrix1
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Been growing since 1972. 1977-78 with HID.
I use calcium Nitrate as m source of Calcium, and Nitrogen. 15.5-0-0 Not cal/mag. Its not logical to withold Protein, when youre trying to grow.
For Hydro, or for what Im doing is using Promix BX, and Hydro - Gardens.
4-20-39 Base Formula
15.5-0-0 Calcium Nitrate which makes the formula 19.5-20-39.
I feed this at around 10%-15% of max suggested feeding, with seedlings/clones, and is 5 gallons water vs 1 gallon, and I feed every watering.
I also supplement with Epsom Salts/ Magnesium Sulfate, each watering, and is always used, which is also a source of Sulfur, and is important in the production or terpenes.
Weekly, if the plants are doing as they should, PPM is slowly increased of every nutrient. I Veg under either 1000w Hortilux HPS, 1150w Gavita DE HID, or a 645w Gavita 1700e. I grow Large plants in 10g-30 gallon containers, ( Plant Limits ) and usually veg 60 days, and bend the plants over. I never top them, and rely on plants that stretch alot. No slow growing, non stretchy plants. If I use 10 gallon containers under 1000w Ill use 4 plants, 6 under 1150w Gavita, and 2 under 1000w if in 20g containers. And if 30g 1 plant, of 2 under 1150w Gavita DE
At flip, and an 8 WEEKS FLOWEIRNG STRAIN, I keep all nutrients PPM going up, and in week 2.5- week 4 I boost the Phosphorus, and Potassium with 0-52-34, which puts my total formula at 19.5-70 - 73.
In weeks 5-6 I discontinue the 0-52-34, but still keep slightly increasing base feed, and Epsom Salts, but in weeks 5-6 I boost is Epsom Salts.
In weeks 7-8 all nutrients are cut back to 40%-60%....
I use calcium Nitrate as m source of Calcium, and Nitrogen. 15.5-0-0 Not cal/mag. Its not logical to withold Protein, when youre trying to grow.
For Hydro, or for what Im doing is using Promix BX, and Hydro - Gardens.
4-20-39 Base Formula
15.5-0-0 Calcium Nitrate which makes the formula 19.5-20-39.
I feed this at around 10%-15% of max suggested feeding, with seedlings/clones, and is 5 gallons water vs 1 gallon, and I feed every watering.
I also supplement with Epsom Salts/ Magnesium Sulfate, each watering, and is always used, which is also a source of Sulfur, and is important in the production or terpenes.
Weekly, if the plants are doing as they should, PPM is slowly increased of every nutrient. I Veg under either 1000w Hortilux HPS, 1150w Gavita DE HID, or a 645w Gavita 1700e. I grow Large plants in 10g-30 gallon containers, ( Plant Limits ) and usually veg 60 days, and bend the plants over. I never top them, and rely on plants that stretch alot. No slow growing, non stretchy plants. If I use 10 gallon containers under 1000w Ill use 4 plants, 6 under 1150w Gavita, and 2 under 1000w if in 20g containers. And if 30g 1 plant, of 2 under 1150w Gavita DE
At flip, and an 8 WEEKS FLOWEIRNG STRAIN, I keep all nutrients PPM going up, and in week 2.5- week 4 I boost the Phosphorus, and Potassium with 0-52-34, which puts my total formula at 19.5-70 - 73.
In weeks 5-6 I discontinue the 0-52-34, but still keep slightly increasing base feed, and Epsom Salts, but in weeks 5-6 I boost is Epsom Salts.
In weeks 7-8 all nutrients are cut back to 40%-60%....
mistergrafik
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This is fuckin epic! However, I think this is far too advanced for the homie trying to fix his plant.
Budzbuddha
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jimihendrix1
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Ive got a degree in nutrition.. Ive known about fasting for decades. Most Bodybuilders dont fast. Not a fan. Unless one has high blood sugar issues.
Only time bodybuilders start cutting stuff out is before a contest, and they will also tell you while they may look their best, they feel like shit.
Look up Tom Platz. I dont think Wolverine has anything on Tom. Though I bet they both use low carbs to get their most ripped. Platz never fasted.
Also Clarence Bass has the healthiest x lowest bodyfat ever recorded at 2.4%, and wrote the book Ripped.
Tom Platz Diet Plan
Tom Platz mostly followed what other bodybuilders ate during the golden era. They skipped egg whites and opted for whole eggs instead. Most of their daily protein came from meat, rather then synthetic whey protein. Golden era bodybuilders like Tom Platz were not afraid to eat fat, like most people are today.
- Breakfast: 6 whole eggs, bacon, fruit, and 1 cup oatmeal
- Lunch: 4 hamburger patties, large salad, and a baked potato
- Snack: 6 whole eggs, bowl of cottage, nuts, and fruit
- Dinner: Steak, 4 pieces of whole grain toast, large glass of milk and vegetables
mistergrafik
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They are definitely using some bloom boosters.. They have to consume massive amounts of food.
I am not doubting you my friend - Just trying to solve the homies plant problem
jimihendrix1
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I said it in my first sentence when I responded long ago.
It needs more Nitrogen. Simple as that.
Needs a good base ratio, thats it. It aint rocket science.
It needs more Nitrogen. Simple as that.
Needs a good base ratio, thats it. It aint rocket science.
mistergrafik
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Well, OP - @Raspberrykiwi Hit her with Nitrogen. Only you can solve this for us now.
jimihendrix1
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No, I said a Balanced Ratio.
Best if he used the 4-4-4 he has on hand. Figuring out how much Nitrogen to add to the 3-9-6, which Nitrogen would need to be taken up to 8.5..... isnt something he needs to do for now, and 4-4-4 is closer to the right balance. The K isnt optimal, but will be enough for them not to show deficiency. Just keep it simple. The plant is in need of a good feeding, of all nutrients, give them to it.
Dont forget Cal/Mag if thats what you use for Ca/Mg source.
When using chemicals I find Calcium Nitrate, 15.5-0-0 and Epsom salts superior, and easier to use than Cal/Mag. Both work though.
Best if he used the 4-4-4 he has on hand. Figuring out how much Nitrogen to add to the 3-9-6, which Nitrogen would need to be taken up to 8.5..... isnt something he needs to do for now, and 4-4-4 is closer to the right balance. The K isnt optimal, but will be enough for them not to show deficiency. Just keep it simple. The plant is in need of a good feeding, of all nutrients, give them to it.
Dont forget Cal/Mag if thats what you use for Ca/Mg source.
When using chemicals I find Calcium Nitrate, 15.5-0-0 and Epsom salts superior, and easier to use than Cal/Mag. Both work though.