Nitrogen Deficiency or lack of light on lower foliage?

It is now more important then ever I recover this plant. After careful investigation it appears as though my blueberry bush is showing female pre-flower's! Her growth is amazing despite the several days of drooping. The drooping is also only affecting the fan leaves. The growth between the main stem and fan leaf stem's is almost at a perfect 45° angle. New growth is also filling in along the bottom of the stem. Yellowing has pretty much stayed with the already yellowed leave's. Another interesting observation is the fact that the stem has S'ed near the top of the stem for no real apparent reason. I will take some photo's here shortly. I was so excited with the recent turn of events I had to tell you guys.

Regrettably my camera wont take clean enough photo's close enough for you guys to see the pre-flower's. I am now 110% sure shes female! Pistils are starting to come out of the calyx's! Oh happy days indeed.

I have also noticed that the nodes are no longer side by side. They are now growing staggered. Is this normal? Not that this is of much concern to me but I don't remember my last plant doing this. By the way I have not topped or FIM'ed this plant or any of my plants. I just let nature run its course best as I can simulate in my closet.

As you can see from the photos my blueberry bush is looking much better then she did a few days ago! Inner node growth has surpassed the fan leafs! This is evident in photo 1 about half way down the plant you see a group of leaves poking out farther then the rest of the plant. This is the inner node growth I was talking about. Its truly amazing how bushy this plant is compared to my previous grow. I can't wait to see it perked up.

Congrats on the female! The staggering of the nodes is a sign of maturity, perfectly normal. I'm wondering if the droopyness has somthing to do with the position of your lights. I see the lights on the side and they are very close, but i dont see any above the plant? The plant will position it leaves so that is gets the light it wants at the angle it wants it (which is straight on obviously). So your plants leaves MIGHT just be positioning themselves to catch the light where you have it coming from. I do LST and its amazing how the fan leaves can, in some cases, twist all the way upside down if thats what they need to do to get light. Light on the side is good but the majority of light should come from above.

I have a 150 watt HPS sitting above. This is the only plant that is drooping. She has perked up significantly since the flush. If you look at my grow journal you can see exactly how my lights are set up.

Thanks for your words of encouragement. I was also thinking of the possibility that the drooping fan leaves may be genetic. I know that this is a hugely remote possibility, but a possibility none the less. I think time will answer the question for us.

Well you're definately not short on light then! I'm following your journal now. TY

hey snyder get a fishpump and aerate your nutes water for 48 hrs WITH MOLASSES.
and dont overwater.

The fish pump is KEY! I aerate my tap water ( 2 days) with it to expedite the process of evaporating off the chlorine in the water. The added oxygen in the water is helpful too. As far as the molasses goes, the first time I used it my plants threw a friggin party! They loved it soo much! I did not mix it with the nutes though. I gave it to them every other feeding at 1 TBLS per gallon. And you MUST aerate this mix for a couple of days. Alot of people using molasses dont aerate the mix and that can cause some problems interfearing with N uptake.
Here we go I found it. This is from Ohsogreen-

Here is how you do it.
First use only unsulphured molasses, like Briar Rabbit or Grandma's Molasses (brands). Mix one ounce to one gallon of chlorine free water. If you only have tap water, let it set for two days & 99% of the chlorine will evaporate. Then you can add the molasses.
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You can bubble (oxygenate) it using a cheap aquarium pump & air stone for at least one day. Or just pour it from one clean container (jug or bucket) to another a couple of times a day, for at least two days.
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This provides extra oxygen to the good micro-beaties, they then eat, mutiply, & kill off - the not so nice micro-beaties. The longer you oygenate this mix, the more good guys you end up with. Their eating & pooping out the NPK (bioconversion) is what make it highly soluble. Over time their bioconversion reduces the N and pumps up the P & K slightly. Not a big shift, just a point or two.
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This makes a good growth stage fertilizer (that's cheap).
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Just mix it light the first time & water in lightly - like one quart per plant.
Start low & build slow. This prevents overfertilizing.
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Use this mix one week & plain water the next.
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You can add nutes to the mix, but remember your adding to a mix with a NPK of about 5-1-3 already.

I will definitely consider buying a cheap aquarium pump. Thanks for the tip guys. I usually do add molasses but not until I go 12/12.

you will wonder what took you so long i guaruntee it dog!

I believe my problem is solved. I want to personally thank everyone who contributed to this thread and hope everyone who has been following it has learned something of value. If not I still appreciate you dropping in.

In closing I do believe the problem was a pH imbalance in the middle of the soil and a salt build up. After flushing considerable recovery has taken place. I plan on flushing it again next week with a nutrient rich solution and a splash of H2O2 (Hydrogen Peroxide) to assist with getting oxygen to the roots and replacing what nitrogen has been lost.

Always, whenever watering your plant, ensure that you are supplying enough water to your soil so it leaks out the bottom of the pot. If you do not do this you may suffer from the same problems I have or possibly worse!

If anyone has any questions, comments, or concerns please feel free to post them here. I will be happy to assist anyone with anything.

snyder007 said:

I believe my problem is solved. I want to personally thank everyone who contributed to this thread and hope everyone who has been following it has learned something of value. If not I still appreciate you dropping in.

In closing I do believe the problem was a pH imbalance in the middle of the soil and a salt build up. After flushing considerable recovery has taken place. I plan on flushing it again next week with a nutrient rich solution and a splash of H2O2 (Hydrogen Peroxide) to assist with getting oxygen to the roots and replacing what nitrogen has been lost.

Always, whenever watering your plant, ensure that you are supplying enough water to your soil so it leaks out the bottom of the pot. If you do not do this you may suffer from the same problems I have or possibly worse!

If anyone has any questions, comments, or concerns please feel free to post them here. I will be happy to assist anyone with anything.

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hey man, congrats on fixin the problem, im havin kinda the same problem tho i am growing in rockwool cubes, my plant is almost dead i guess, im more than sure that its nitrogen def, as the leaves are dieing from bottom to top, from older to newer, not sure wt to do {already started a thread yesterday and havent got any answers or replys that are worth anything.
any ideas??

if u have time have a look at my last thread.

peace...

If you pop a link I'd gladly take a look at it.

snyder007 said:

If you pop a link I'd gladly take a look at it.

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great stuff, thx aot n heres the link :

https://www.rollitup.org/marijuana-plant-problems/194412-yellowing-lower-leaves-sprading-up.html