Nitrogen deficiency? Nutrient lockout? Help pls!

getogrow

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You mean to not measure the PH and use it as it comes out of the tap? For what I've read from all of he sources I consulted, they strongly advice to measure pH for growing with soil.
I agree. there is no need to measure ph in soil. You cannot change it with "ph down" or up.
 

myke

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I’m trying to translate his nutrients. No luck. He says there organic. But there liquid? I have no experience with organic liquid nutes. I’d imagine there’s not much food in them. Or there slow release maybe?
 

Wattzzup

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I’m trying to translate his nutrients. No luck. He says there organic. But there liquid? I have no experience with organic liquid nutes. I’d imagine there’s not much food in them. Or there slow release maybe?
Well Fox farm claims to be organic and it’s liquid bottles. So who knows for sure. Even those bottles when dosed properly usually end up around 6.8. I’m sure they have some buffer as well.
 

getogrow

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Well Fox farm claims to be organic and it’s liquid bottles. So who knows for sure. Even those bottles when dosed properly usually end up around 6.8. I’m sure they have some buffer as well.
The only bottle in the fox farm line up thats organic is the big bloom , the rest is 100% chemicals.
 

myke

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you can. just not with a few drops, but guess what newbies do when the pH probe goes unnoticed outta whack...

and soil buffers can be deplete, from that point onwards one has to treat a soil (a "0-soil") just like soilless.
As I said already
 

Wattzzup

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you can. just not with a few drops, but guess what newbies do when the pH probe goes unnoticed outta whack...

and soil buffers can be deplete, from that point onwards one has to treat a soil (a "0-soil") just like soilless.
What I’m saying is at his stage he shouldn’t be ph’ing or adding nutrients.

I only ph when I feed liquid nutrients. But even then most of the time those have buffers and my ph ends up ~6.8
 

Kassiopeija

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What I’m saying is at his stage he shouldn’t be ph’ing or adding nutrients.
Correct, especially since his water @ EC 0.1 is extremely soft - that is a good water for plants but warrants a handful of dolomite or algae chalk to the substrate, and then one is good to go (or CalMag with every feed...)

The pH 5 feeds are causing me a headache. Especially since I have no clue if he did really soak these pots completely full with pH 5.0 water full or just did add half a cup to these pots...?
I also feel he's not watering correctly, and that is a huge can of worms on soil, esp. with small plants under somewhat weak lights...

BTW @OP
as for your light's ppfd - it's ok if you grow forself but don't expect huge colas - rule of thumb for Cannabis in flower is 700-1000ppfd. But your ~500 are going to work as well, you'll see.
 

Kassiopeija

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When transplanted, I started irrigating 500ml once a week but the plants were showing signs of over-watering, so i decided to irrigate 250ml twice a week instead of 500ml until they grow a little bit to avoid drowning their roots. I will take your advice and will water 500ml once a week again, as they grew 12 cm since I took that decision.
you need to water as much so that all soil is moist. This is usually 1/4th to 1/3 of the total volume of earth that is within each pot. After that, allow for a longer time where you don't irrigate.
If you just give water in small dosages, you'll get alot of dry spots and roots therein will die, and roots are not going to be able to explore the dry regions.
 

Kassiopeija

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NPK is a good veg formulae, but your fertilizer is missing:
- Calcium
- Sulfur
- Magnesium
... so it's designed to work together with soft-to-medium-hard tapwater, where you have about 200ppm in these minerals mostly.

Epsom Salt & Calcium Nitrate, or a CalMag is needed.
 

descon0c1do

Member
Ok i see,those look like cannabis specific fertilizer.So mix some to get target EC to 1.
Your pots have slots in them? makes it hard to water ?.so pour slowly so it all gets water.

I thought you were growing organic but since your adding fertilizer im not sure.
Hi again! Yes, it is organic! Black Gold is made with algae Ascophyllum Nodossum and humic acids derived from Leonardite.
 

descon0c1do

Member
Do you have epsom salts? Your wife/mom should have some. unscented.
I don't have neither epsom salts nor a wife haha. I'm checking at a local greenhouse if they have CalMag solution.

You have EC meter right?

Your plants need food but we dont know what is in your pots now.So mix up some food to .7 EC pour enough in to get some runoff.We need to remove whats in your pots now.I have a feeling your not watering enough to remove all the fertilizer youve given them in the last two weeks.So its starting to build up.
Yes I do! I will try this. I measured the soil pH just now with an analog meter i borrowed and it gave somewhere between 6.5 and 7.
 

descon0c1do

Member
NPK is a good veg formulae, but your fertilizer is missing:
- Calcium
- Sulfur
- Magnesium
... so it's designed to work together with soft-to-medium-hard tapwater, where you have about 200ppm in these minerals mostly.

Epsom Salt & Calcium Nitrate, or a CalMag is needed.
I'm trying to get some CalMag from a local greenhouse. I'll know later in the afternoon.
 

descon0c1do

Member
Look at his pots? Super tall and skinny. Or is it just the photo angle
This pots are designed to make the roots go deep down (more than with normal pots) and generate a strong stem. The windows are made to attract the roots, and once they get there, they create a callus and start throwing new arms in different directions to colonize the whole substrate, instead of getting the roots to stay on the border.

This may clear it out:

Translation:

1 - 2 - 3 - Totally colonized - Empty of roots

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