Next Spring legislation will be put forth to legalize cannabis: Philpot

Gmack420

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It is like crickets in this post, all of a sudden know one has anything to say now that we have been given a timeline??? lol smh.
Well I hope for the best but plan for the worst. I still don't think legal weed is going to be what we all want it to be. I hope to be wrong on this one.
 

VIANARCHRIS

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Well I hope for the best but plan for the worst. I still don't think legal weed is going to be what we all want it to be. I hope to be wrong on this one.
Legal weed won't be perfect for everybody, no matter what it looks like, especially in it's infancy. Cannabis users will think laws are too restrictive, anti-pot folk will think they're too lenient, but they will strike a balance everyone can live with. I'm sure there will need to be changes along the way and maybe some court fights to get to where everyone is happy, but it will happen. I watched a news segment tonight about a mj breathalyzer prototype. That will be one of the first big post-legal court challenge...proving impairment while driving. A newbie with 5 nanograms in their system may very well be impaired, but a long-time daily user like me is not affected.
 

Gmack420

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Legal weed won't be perfect for everybody, no matter what it looks like, especially in it's infancy. Cannabis users will think laws are too restrictive, anti-pot folk will think they're too lenient, but they will strike a balance everyone can live with. I'm sure there will need to be changes along the way and maybe some court fights to get to where everyone is happy, but it will happen. I watched a news segment tonight about a mj breathalyzer prototype. That will be one of the first big post-legal court challenge...proving impairment while driving. A newbie with 5 nanograms in their system may very well be impaired, but a long-time daily user like me is not affected.
No I'm really more concerned with them restricting where we can get it from. Lp only you watch. You can be high as I kite and still not be "impaired" currently. they will likely follow Washington state and put a firm level of thc in your blood as DUI. And that will of course be a total shitshow and go back to the Supreme Court for a charter challenge years down the road.
 

TheRealDman

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Approx 18 months to repeal 70 years of MJ prohibition, all things considered, that's pretty quick ...IMO. Next battle will be to stop the fukin simple possession charges ffs!

It will be interesting to see what MMJ Reg's are for homegrows in Aug?? Gonna be pretty hard for the Libs to say only sick peeps can grow their own. I'm sure there will be growing pains, and not everyone will be happy. But ya gotta admit, the Libs are holding true to their word, and setting Canada as the prime example to follow.
 

VIANARCHRIS

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No I'm really more concerned with them restricting where we can get it from. Lp only you watch. You can be high as I kite and still not be "impaired" currently. they will likely follow Washington state and put a firm level of thc in your blood as DUI. And that will of course be a total shitshow and go back to the Supreme Court for a charter challenge years down the road.
I'm hoping they allow the small guy access to growing for profit. I'm pretty confident personal gardens will be allowed.
 

JungleStrikeGuy

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That's the dream but I just don't see it going down like that.
Yep, we're very far from that.

Given the outcomes document and Philpott's speech it's likely the whole UN treaty thing is now gone, so the next step is progression on the task force. The head (now former) of Health Canada's marijuana office has stepped down and will be on the task force, but that's about it as far as who's on it (that I know of).

Once that's named and in progress, then the LPC will have to contend with the leadership of each province, the problem ones will be Manitoba (newly elected majority PC government), BC (Christy Clark's basically a conservative) and Saskatchewan (Brad Wall's a crazy conservative). It may work out that different provinces have different regulations, but it's more likely there will be a unified act federally. So this is opportunity #1 for the legislation to be diluted.

Once all the consultations are done, then Raybould will proceed to drafting the legislation and tabling it in the house (I'd bet on May or June). Not really any issue here with a LPC majority, but I'm hoping the NDP will hold the LPC to account if they try any shenanigans. I don't know how long it takes the average bill to be debated but I'd bet on 1-2 months.

Then the final bit through the Senate, and here's where opportunity #2 is for the legislation to be diluted, or killed completely. The best case scenario is JT has filled all Senate vacancies by then, but there' s no guarantee the independents will all vote in favour, but it's at least more likely than a CPC dominated Senate. Recently both LPC and CPC Senators have given up a spot each so independents can sit on committees so there's at least a hope of non-partisanship.

The usual loons like Linda Frum will kick and scream but that's to be expected, the CPC leadership vote will also play a role here given how the party is split on legalization. I see them going along with it since they're trying to at least appear like they're not assholes anymore.

So it's great they have a definitive timeline (in theory), the next milestone will be the MMPR changes in response to Allard. The home growing details, if allowed, will likely be very similar if not the same, and we may even get a preview of what the LPC is thinking on retail distribution, it wouldn't make any sense for medical users to have to mail order or grow when rec users have more accessible cannabis.

It's a good sign, but it is far, far from party time. There's a good chance the CPC will demand unreasonable concessions to get it passed in the Senate, so we'll see what happens during the debate in the House. As far as the middle ground argument though : http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/middle-ground.html
 

buckets

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This entire subject(s) has really made me aware of how politics work in this country and various processes people go through to get things done. Still to slow for my liking but it is a date. We're living in history making times. Keep up the energy folks. We need to keep them accountable.
 

CalyxCrusher

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Yep, we're very far from that.

Given the outcomes document and Philpott's speech it's likely the whole UN treaty thing is now gone, so the next step is progression on the task force. The head (now former) of Health Canada's marijuana office has stepped down and will be on the task force, but that's about it as far as who's on it (that I know of).

Once that's named and in progress, then the LPC will have to contend with the leadership of each province, the problem ones will be Manitoba (newly elected majority PC government), BC (Christy Clark's basically a conservative) and Saskatchewan (Brad Wall's a crazy conservative). It may work out that different provinces have different regulations, but it's more likely there will be a unified act federally. So this is opportunity #1 for the legislation to be diluted.

Once all the consultations are done, then Raybould will proceed to drafting the legislation and tabling it in the house (I'd bet on May or June). Not really any issue here with a LPC majority, but I'm hoping the NDP will hold the LPC to account if they try any shenanigans. I don't know how long it takes the average bill to be debated but I'd bet on 1-2 months.

Then the final bit through the Senate, and here's where opportunity #2 is for the legislation to be diluted, or killed completely. The best case scenario is JT has filled all Senate vacancies by then, but there' s no guarantee the independents will all vote in favour, but it's at least more likely than a CPC dominated Senate. Recently both LPC and CPC Senators have given up a spot each so independents can sit on committees so there's at least a hope of non-partisanship.

The usual loons like Linda Frum will kick and scream but that's to be expected, the CPC leadership vote will also play a role here given how the party is split on legalization. I see them going along with it since they're trying to at least appear like they're not assholes anymore.

So it's great they have a definitive timeline (in theory), the next milestone will be the MMPR changes in response to Allard. The home growing details, if allowed, will likely be very similar if not the same, and we may even get a preview of what the LPC is thinking on retail distribution, it wouldn't make any sense for medical users to have to mail order or grow when rec users have more accessible cannabis.

It's a good sign, but it is far, far from party time. There's a good chance the CPC will demand unreasonable concessions to get it passed in the Senate, so we'll see what happens during the debate in the House. As far as the middle ground argument though : http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/middle-ground.html
No need to think of the worst all the time. Jeez, gotta be exausting sometimes. Fact: they have already missed the opportunity for an extension, so regardless of how "awkward" or "icky" the subject, they still have a sworn duty to uphold in the best interest of Canadians. Not themselves. Which means they still only have until August 24

Seems like some are having a hard time adjusting to the new govt and what theyve stated. Besides, we're all medical here no? Patients forum n all, why worry so much about Rec if it doesnt apply to us?
 

VIANARCHRIS

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I don't see that for the simple fact that there are no small guys growing the legal shit now...
There are plenty of small guys supplying dispensaries operating with municipal approval. The mmpr era LP's have been given a head start at the expense of the sick, but once removed from the cdsa, cannabis becomes the same as any other product. There is nothing in our laws that would allow government restrict a legal business enterprise to a dozen players not to mention they don't have the capacity to supply a national rec market. Alcohol is controlled and restricted, but legal. We have the big players like Labbatt's, but within a few km's of my place there is a small distillery, several wineries and a brewery. Many growers will have a hard time adjusting to government regulations, inspections, etc, after years of black market 'no rules' growing but it'll get there. Rules change - people adjust...my 89 year old father-in-law likes to compare this to the end of alcohol prohibition. His dad was 20 in 1918 when alcohol was illegal in BC but cannabis was legal.
 
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JungleStrikeGuy

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No need to think of the worst all the time. Jeez, gotta be exausting sometimes. Fact: they have already missed the opportunity for an extension, so regardless of how "awkward" or "icky" the subject, they still have a sworn duty to uphold in the best interest of Canadians. Not themselves. Which means they still only have until August 24

Seems like some are having a hard time adjusting to the new govt and what theyve stated. Besides, we're all medical here no? Patients forum n all, why worry so much about Rec if it doesnt apply to us?
I've laid out the reality of the path to legal legislation, do with that information as you will :)
 

CalyxCrusher

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And thats fine. Either way, we get to grow as patients and Im sure the same will apply for legalization. Im sure the two will differ in plant counts but never the less, still speculation on everyones behalf at this point.

Logic dictates home grows will be allowed much like home brewing, being that there are no longer any valid arguements as Allard was won and proved all the usual boogey men to be completely non factual
 
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