Newbie here... Nutrients help PLEASE

CaseyJones84

CaseyJones84

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What nutrients does everyone use?? I’m using Fox Farms trio. So far I’ve had no issues but I’d like to explore. I grow in soil and indoors.
 
CaseyJones84

CaseyJones84

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Oh ok. I’ve seen FloraNova, sensi and few other nutrients and wondered what people’s experience was like.
 
Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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most of them work, but they're mostly water. you're paying a lot for tap water with some nutrient salts in it.
i use Jack's dry salts, get 1000 gallons worth for 20 bucks...
they have all kinds of formulations, i've found a couple of good dealers on amazon, they seem to sell fresh product.
https://www.amazon.com/Peters-52524-Classic-20-10-20-Fertilizer/dp/B00FSI2J30/ref=sr_1_12?crid=3J3U838P1087T&keywords=jack's+fertilizer&qid=1556729113&s=gateway&sprefix=jack's+,aps,168&sr=8-12
for veg
https://www.amazon.com/JR-Peters-51324-Classic-12-15-30/dp/B01C9WRH0M/ref=sr_1_5?keywords=JR+Peters&qid=1556729152&s=gateway&sr=8-5
for flower
https://www.amazon.com/Peters-Classic-10-30-20-Blossom-Fertilizer/dp/B00JDRWFF4/ref=sr_1_5?crid=3J3U838P1087T&keywords=jack's+fertilizer&qid=1556729113&s=gateway&sprefix=jack's+,aps,168&sr=8-5
what i use as "PK BOOST"
 
Resin_pheasant

Resin_pheasant

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CaseyJones84 said:
What nutrients does everyone use?? I’m using Fox Farms trio. So far I’ve had no issues but I’d like to explore. I grow in soil and indoors.
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Go to the Organics section and look at what they have. I’m not even going to answer your question because bottled nutes are a no beuno to earth and it’s time to chill with em. Learn about living soil and you’ll be rewarded rather than hurt by the chemicals use forcing into ur plant.
 
homebrewer

homebrewer

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
most of them work, but they're mostly water. you're paying a lot for tap water with some nutrient salts in it.
i use Jack's dry salts, get 1000 gallons worth for 20 bucks...
they have all kinds of formulations, i've found a couple of good dealers on amazon, they seem to sell fresh product.
https://www.amazon.com/Peters-52524-Classic-20-10-20-Fertilizer/dp/B00FSI2J30/ref=sr_1_12?crid=3J3U838P1087T&keywords=jack's+fertilizer&qid=1556729113&s=gateway&sprefix=jack's+,aps,168&sr=8-12
for veg
https://www.amazon.com/JR-Peters-51324-Classic-12-15-30/dp/B01C9WRH0M/ref=sr_1_5?keywords=JR+Peters&qid=1556729152&s=gateway&sr=8-5
for flower
https://www.amazon.com/Peters-Classic-10-30-20-Blossom-Fertilizer/dp/B00JDRWFF4/ref=sr_1_5?crid=3J3U838P1087T&keywords=jack's+fertilizer&qid=1556729113&s=gateway&sprefix=jack's+,aps,168&sr=8-5
what i use as "PK BOOST"
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No offense but I see the 'you're paying a lot for water' statement a lot around here which is an insanely stupid thing to say. It's like buying a soda at lunch and the annoying girlfriend says 'wow, you sure are paying a lot for sugar'.

With liquid foods you're paying for the convenience of not having to weigh grams of food out in different amounts depending on what side of your garden you're feeding. You're paying to not wait around on your dry salts to fully mix with your water. You're paying for the luxury of not having to mix multiple dry foods together because the tub you're using doesn't contain any calcium.

Consider the cost of food that it take to grow a pound of herb. The price difference between liquid and dry foods is about a Big Mac and a half over the course of 2 months.

And don't get me wrong, Jacks is solid if you know what you're doing, but it's not that easy to work with.
 
Johnny Lawrence

Johnny Lawrence

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homebrewer said:
No offense but I see the 'you're paying a lot for water' statement a lot around here which is an insanely stupid thing to say. It's like buying a soda at lunch and the annoying girlfriend says 'wow, you sure are paying a lot for sugar'.

With liquid foods you're paying for the convenience of not having to weigh grams of food out in different amounts depending on what side of your garden you're feeding. You're paying to not wait around on your dry salts to fully mix with your water. You're paying for the luxury of not having to mix multiple dry foods together because the tub you're using doesn't contain any calcium.

Consider the cost of food that it take to grow a pound of herb. The price difference between liquid and dry foods is about a Big Mac and a half over the course of 2 months.

And don't get me wrong, Jacks is solid if you know what you're doing, but it's not that easy to work with.
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You grow in soil? I thought you were a hydro guy.
 
xtsho

xtsho

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Nutrients contain the same basic things. Macro and micro nutrients. Some are more expensive than others. Some have fancier labels and cooler sounding names. Some split everything into a ridiculous amount of bottles and have feeding charts that have you measuring out different amounts of a dozen bottles at different times. Some are a one part mix and water. The inexpensive simple to use nutrients will grow just as good of weed as the overpriced fancy nutrient lines. If what you're using is working fine then stay with it.

You are not going to find magic in a bottle. Focus on the grow environment, lighting, etc... That's where you will improve your grow. Not some nutrients in a shiny bottle. Cannabis is not some special plant with special requirements despite what nutrient companies want you to believe. I use the same stuff to grow cannabis that I use in the garden and on my houseplants. It's not rocket science. Nutrient companies spend more on marketing and labeling than they do on the product they put in the bottle. Focus on good horticulture practices and you'll grow good weed. Just look at the Marijuana Plant Problems sub-forum and see all the people using a dozen bottles of fairy dust having nothing but problems.

I buy enough salts to last me for years for the price of a couple shiny bottles with cool sounding names. For years all I've been using is calcium nitrate, a micronutrient blend, and monopotassium phosphate. I never have deficiencies or any other issues. It's just that simple. Feed the plant what it wants and let it grow. There is no need to be measuring out milliliters of a dozen bottles just to feed your plants.
 
Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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homebrewer said:
No offense but I see the 'you're paying a lot for water' statement a lot around here which is an insanely stupid thing to say. It's like buying a soda at lunch and the annoying girlfriend says 'wow, you sure are paying a lot for sugar'.

With liquid foods you're paying for the convenience of not having to weigh grams of food out in different amounts depending on what side of your garden you're feeding. You're paying to not wait around on your dry salts to fully mix with your water. You're paying for the luxury of not having to mix multiple dry foods together because the tub you're using doesn't contain any calcium.

Consider the cost of food that it take to grow a pound of herb. The price difference between liquid and dry foods is about a Big Mac and a half over the course of 2 months.

And don't get me wrong, Jacks is solid if you know what you're doing, but it's not that easy to work with.
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add it to water, stir, walk away 5 minutes, then check ppm...add more if you need, then set your ph...taint rocket science, mcgee, just very simple math and even simpler botany...
 
Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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xtsho said:
Nutrients contain the same basic things. Macro and micro nutrients. Some are more expensive than others. Some have fancier labels and cooler sounding names. Some split everything into a ridiculous amount of bottles and have feeding charts that have you measuring out different amounts of a dozen bottles at different times. Some are a one part mix and water. The inexpensive simple to use nutrients will grow just as good of weed as the overpriced fancy nutrient lines. If what you're using is working fine then stay with it.

You are not going to find magic in a bottle. Focus on the grow environment, lighting, etc... That's where you will improve your grow. Not some nutrients in a shiny bottle. Cannabis is not some special plant with special requirements despite what nutrient companies want you to believe. I use the same stuff to grow cannabis that I use in the garden and on my houseplants. It's not rocket science. Nutrient companies spend more on marketing and labeling than they do on the product they put in the bottle. Focus on good horticulture practices and you'll grow good weed. Just look at the Marijuana Plant Problems sub-forum and see all the people using a dozen bottles of fairy dust having nothing but problems.

I buy enough salts to last me for years for the price of a couple shiny bottles with cool sounding names. For years all I've been using is calcium nitrate, a micronutrient blend, and monopotassium phosphate. I never have deficiencies or any other issues. It's just that simple. Feed the plant what it wants and let it grow. There is no need to be measuring out milliliters of a dozen bottles just to feed your plants.
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i don't even use calcium nitrate since i found the Jack's tomato blend with the added calcium...i've been using it up on the pumpkins and tomatos...
 
Axion42

Axion42

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homebrewer said:
No offense but I see the 'you're paying a lot for water' statement a lot around here which is an insanely stupid thing to say. It's like buying a soda at lunch and the annoying girlfriend says 'wow, you sure are paying a lot for sugar'.

With liquid foods you're paying for the convenience of not having to weigh grams of food out in different amounts depending on what side of your garden you're feeding. You're paying to not wait around on your dry salts to fully mix with your water. You're paying for the luxury of not having to mix multiple dry foods together because the tub you're using doesn't contain any calcium.

Consider the cost of food that it take to grow a pound of herb. The price difference between liquid and dry foods is about a Big Mac and a half over the course of 2 months.

And don't get me wrong, Jacks is solid if you know what you're doing, but it's not that easy to work with.
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Speaking of nutrients, when you gonna run that MC? I'm getting ready to start up this coming weekend and gonna give the mega a run and see how it performs for me.
 
xtsho

xtsho

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
i don't even use calcium nitrate since i found the Jack's tomato blend with the added calcium...i've been using it up on the pumpkins and tomatos...
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That particular Jack's product from JR Peters has calcium nitrate in it. Jacks is a good value for a product that is as good as others costing much more. I like calcium nitrate for the main nitrogen source. I grow in coco and despite what people say about the need for calmag I don't use it. The calcium nitrate I use provides all the calcium needed and the micronutrient blend I use provides magnesium. The nutrient companies sure have a racket leaving things out so they can sell another bottle to customers. Calmag is just calcium nitrate and magnesium sulphate. It only costs pennies for what they sell for $10 - $20 in a bottle with a fancy label.
 
Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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an occasional foliar feeding with epsom salts and you'll never need cal mag...i find 200 ppm once every two weeks clears up the mag issues, and the sulfur doesn't fuck up the calcium in your nutes, so the plant doesn't have any problems absorbing it the way it should
 
getogrow

getogrow

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xtsho said:
Nutrients contain the same basic things. Macro and micro nutrients. Some are more expensive than others. Some have fancier labels and cooler sounding names. Some split everything into a ridiculous amount of bottles and have feeding charts that have you measuring out different amounts of a dozen bottles at different times. Some are a one part mix and water. The inexpensive simple to use nutrients will grow just as good of weed as the overpriced fancy nutrient lines. If what you're using is working fine then stay with it.

You are not going to find magic in a bottle. Focus on the grow environment, lighting, etc... That's where you will improve your grow. Not some nutrients in a shiny bottle. Cannabis is not some special plant with special requirements despite what nutrient companies want you to believe. I use the same stuff to grow cannabis that I use in the garden and on my houseplants. It's not rocket science. Nutrient companies spend more on marketing and labeling than they do on the product they put in the bottle. Focus on good horticulture practices and you'll grow good weed. Just look at the Marijuana Plant Problems sub-forum and see all the people using a dozen bottles of fairy dust having nothing but problems.

I buy enough salts to last me for years for the price of a couple shiny bottles with cool sounding names. For years all I've been using is calcium nitrate, a micronutrient blend, and monopotassium phosphate. I never have deficiencies or any other issues. It's just that simple. Feed the plant what it wants and let it grow. There is no need to be measuring out milliliters of a dozen bottles just to feed your plants.
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Spot on info. Food is food. Know what your using and you wont go wrong with ANY label.
organic food and chemical food are the only 2 types of food they make, they just split them all into 37 bottles and claim you need them all. If your looking for plant soluble food then the fox farm your using is just fine.
 
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