newb right here growing with thr spydrx plus led.need help

needynate

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My plants are 8days in veg and this is what they currently look like .ive only fed twice last time i fed was two day ago should i water again? They're in three gallon smart pots and the medium is hp pro mix and virmiculite . Any tips on freding schedules with that medium and three gallon smart pots? Medium seems a lil moist not dry but not wet . How much should i water when i water? Did i nute burn these ? Not enough nitrogen? Any help is greatly appreciated. The strain is sunset sherbert and the yellow bushy one is original gsc
 

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Apical Bud

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Are they all clones except for the lower right? It looks like they haven't recovered from the cloning process yet. The new growth doesn't look good and that's your real indicator man. For whatever reason your roots aren't working.
Usually roots stop working due to pH issues, which are caused by aggressive feeding.

To answer your question, a liter or quart of water should be good enough for those until the plants get about two feet tall, assuming you're using 3 gallon pots and assuming you water in small increments. Once they get bigger try a half gallon.

If I walked into my grow room one day and found my plants like this I would test the soil for moister and pH. I say test for moister because roots need oxygen to metabolize so if they sit in wet soil they can only pull nutes for so long before they run out of energy. If you over water, the roots aren't functioning most of the grow week so they can't keep up. Adding fertilizers changes the pH of the soil. Since you're growing in pro mix, which I think is a soilless media, you don't want to worry about microbes and humates and all that fun stuff, but you also don't have much of a buffering capacity so you have to keep an eye on your pH.

I don't think you need to be nuting them very much right now. Remember, their roots haven't spread into the soil very much yet so most of what you feed them just sits there until you flush it out. But once they are about a foot and a half tall give them a single dose of some organic veg fertilizer. There isn't really anything special about veg fertilizers except for the labels so look for something that has more N than K or P, and about as much K as P. pH your watering solution, water twice a week with a half gallon max, and be patient!

As far as schedules go, you can either feed lightly every watering or feed moderately every other watering. Just don't be the guy who feeds the maximum dose every time, doesn't water his plants enough for run off, then wonders who he has a nute build up a week before flower!
 

needynate

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They are all clones but the lower right is a clone that was in veg longer than the others. Thatnk you very much
Are they all clones except for the lower right? It looks like they haven't recovered from the cloning process yet. The new growth doesn't look good and that's your real indicator man. For whatever reason your roots aren't working.
Usually roots stop working due to pH issues, which are caused by aggressive feeding.

To answer your question, a liter or quart of water should be good enough for those until the plants get about two feet tall, assuming you're using 3 gallon pots and assuming you water in small increments. Once they get bigger try a half gallon.

If I walked into my grow room one day and found my plants like this I would test the soil for moister and pH. I say test for moister because roots need oxygen to metabolize so if they sit in wet soil they can only pull nutes for so long before they run out of energy. If you over water, the roots aren't functioning most of the grow week so they can't keep up. Adding fertilizers changes the pH of the soil. Since you're growing in pro mix, which I think is a soilless media, you don't want to worry about microbes and humates and all that fun stuff, but you also don't have much of a buffering capacity so you have to keep an eye on your pH.

I don't think you need to be nuting them very much right now. Remember, their roots haven't spread into the soil very much yet so most of what you feed them just sits there until you flush it out. But once they are about a foot and a half tall give them a single dose of some organic veg fertilizer. There isn't really anything special about veg fertilizers except for the labels so look for something that has more N than K or P, and about as much K as P. pH your watering solution, water twice a week with a half gallon max, and be patient!

As far as schedules go, you can either feed lightly every watering or feed moderately every other watering. Just don't be the guy who feeds the maximum dose every time, doesn't water his plants enough for run off, then wonders who he has a nute build up a week before flower!
Thanks you helped me out a lot, my ph is at 6.1 when i feed and ec at0.3 wich is less than 300 ppms i believe . .where should i be ?
 

Apical Bud

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I think 1 ec is 700 ppm. That's just fine.
What brand mix is it?
How many times have you watered?
How slowly did you water, and how much water ended up at the bottom of your watering trays?
What nutes have you been using, and what fraction of the recommended dosage have you been using?
How did you test your soil pH? (<--- Important question)
I would assume with a pro mix and smart pots your soil shouldn't get water logged unless you're watering every other day. But if you've only watered twice in 4 days I'd say you're probably fine on that end.
 

needynate

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I watered when i firsttransplanted clones and thatwas a very lite watering , no nutes i only watered the middlearea not whole pot.on third day i gave light water feeding again but the thing is when i firt watered i had no ph up or down so i water with ph of 8.0. On fourth day iwatered again andfed at about ph of 7.1 and ec of 0.2 ..on seventh day i waterdthem and fed with ph of 6.1 and ec at0.3 .today is tenth day in veg and ive yet to water or feed again.i ended up using half strength. I use dyna grow protekt , dyna grow silica and floralicious plus .i plan onfeeding every watering. And fornow i have no tray to set me pots

I think 1 ec is 700 ppm. That's just fine.
What brand mix is it?
How many times have you watered?
How slowly did you water, and how much water ended up at the bottom of your watering trays?
What nutes have you been using, and what fraction of the recommended dosage have you been using?
How did you test your soil pH? (<--- Important question)
I would assume with a pro mix and smart pots your soil shouldn't get water logged unless you're watering every other day. But if you've only watered twice in 4 days I'd say you're probably fine on that end.
 

Apical Bud

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I hope some more experienced members get on this thread. But as far as my opinion goes I'd say it sounds like your watering schedule is fine. It doesn't look obvious to me that they needed a watering in that picture, to be honest. That promix usually doesn't have much in the way of nutes. In my experience promix is good only if you water with nutes frequently, and since you do that I wouldn't worry about nute burn or a lack of nutes in the soil. Maybe they still aren't over transplant shock?
What is your lighting situation, and how far from the lights are the plants?
What is the temperature of your room in the day and at night?
 

needynate

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The highest temp iill let them get is 85degrees and its never colder then 70 but my heat averages in the 80's. I have my light dimmed and 50/100 and about four to five feet from plants . I run co2 in a non vented room , i literally have no way to vent other than opening my door .my set up is a 4x4x8 gorilla grow tent in a 6x6x10 room with no ventsat all.i run co2 to give them oxygen but i never exhange my air .i wwasn't exchanging because i read if u have co2 that u dont need too but im re add ing somewhere else that i need to atleast exchange air atleast every two hours .do u think thats why my plants might not be to their full potential? Should i vent my ac into tent and connect exhaust to my scrubber to exit the tent, ?
 

Apical Bud

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CO2 is useful only if your plants are healthy, the temps are high, and the lights are pressed. You can save it for later at this point.

At 12 inches from my 600 watt metal halide bulb my lux meter reads about 30,000, or about 2800 foot-candles. If you didn't know these are the units of light intensity at distance. I try to keep my 600 watt about 12 inches from the canopy unless I have co2 going then I'll get em as close as possible until they burn but that's usually around 50,000 for me. I've read that you can go much higher in intensity in that but it does the trick for veg for me. My guess is, if you have a 600 watt bulb, HP's or MH, your light intensity would read around 2000 lux. Now that's based off my 600 watt light. Lights vary but within an envelope. Even if you have a kilowatt light 4-5 seems pretty high and could be responsible for your lack luster growth. But your plants look fine they just aren't being all they can be :)

If you do press the lights, give them deeper waterings but don't increase the nutes for awhile. How does that sound?
 
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