New Zealand to change gun laws

Will the US ever get serious about effective gun control?

  • Yes, the will of the majority of people demands it

    Votes: 8 25.8%

  • No, the NRA and the gun lobby will never allow it

    Votes: 23 74.2%
  • Total voters
    31
Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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Jimdamick said:
She's Italian (that's all that the Irish male will marry because the Irish women remind them of their miserable mothers :) ), so she showed me the straight Razor that had been handed down thru the generations in her Family, given from each mother to their daughter on their Wedding Night, to show the poor fool that married her, that she would, with glee, do a Bobbitt on him.

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that's a beauty, Donovan straight razors are $175.00 and up, new, and that looks like an antique....
 
Lucky Luke

Lucky Luke

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Rob Roy said:
So you favor using some guns to enforce regulating some other guns then ?
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Why would they need guns to enforce laws for? I've been booked for speeding and traffic offences over the decades and no officer has ever pulled their gun on me.
 
scumrot derelict

scumrot derelict

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Rob Roy said:
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"Anyone who is being investigated by the FBI isn't qualified to be President." - Donald Trump
Lucky Luke said:
Why would they need guns to enforce laws for? I've been booked for speeding and traffic offences over the decades and no officer has ever pulled their gun on me.
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Hello, your honor, I'd like to turn myself in for speeding. I was doing 68 in a 65!
 
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Fogdog

Fogdog

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crimsonecho said:
The laws are the morality of the people who created them. Universal law, domestic law. These are not entities that exist seperate from humanity. These laws are not everlasting and are in no way placed by a fictional character like god. We humans thru ages distilled a brew which we call civilization. The concept of civilization includes in itself, our sense of right and wrong.

You know no action in the world is inherently right of wrong. The universe and everything in it just exists. When people tried to create some order out of this chaos they created rules. These rules are the morality of that community. I’m really talkin about morality in a much broader sense. Morality is made up but, after a lot of generations and great philosopher and shitty politicians and countless atrocities, we arrived at a definition of what civilization is so, if we want to live in a truly civilized world we should lift the treat of violence over the people. That should be the next step. Thats my views on the subject.
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Laws and public policy based upon morality are fine, I guess. Just as long as I'm the one making it all up and everybody just goes along.

If you are going to enforce your beliefs upon me then you had better be ready to explain why it makes sense or you'll have a fight on your hands.

This is why public policy based upon facts and reason makes for a better society. You can't give a good reason why hunters and ranchers in remote areas must give up their guns. You simply insist upon it because it's the right thing to do. You are failing to make a good argument and simply repeating circular logic.
 
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crimsonecho

crimsonecho

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Fogdog said:
Laws and public policy based upon morality are fine, I guess. Just as long as I'm the one making it all up and everybody just goes along.

If you are going to enforce your beliefs upon me then you had better be ready to explain why it makes sense or you'll have a fight on your hands.

This is why public policy based upon facts and reason makes for a better society. You can't give a good reason why hunters and ranchers in remote areas must give up their guns. You simply insist upon it because it's the right thing to do. You are failing to make a good argument and simply repeating circular logic.
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Still not what i’m saying and this conversation has become incredibly repetitive to me. Maybe if i ever get this shit on paper, i’ll send it to you and you can read. These bits and pieces may not create a meaningful structure in your mind as we don’t share a brain and for me to explain my every sentence referencing to the philosophy or the theory its is based upon, would be very time consuming in this case. So i will tolerate your point of view and you will tolerate mine. Thats it. No one needs to change their opinions to suit mine. I’m fine with it.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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crimsonecho said:
Still not what i’m saying and this conversation has become incredibly repetitive to me. Maybe if i ever get this shit on paper, i’ll send it to you and you can read. These bits and pieces may not create a meaningful structure in your mind as we don’t share a brain and for me to explain my every sentence referencing to the philosophy or the theory its is based upon, would be very time consuming in this case. So i will tolerate your point of view and you will tolerate mine. Thats it. No one needs to change their opinions to suit mine. I’m fine with it.
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Like I said. I'm all for morality as the basis of public policy just as long as I'm calling the shots.

 
Lucky Luke

Lucky Luke

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Herb & Suds said:
Nope I just point to failed countries like Russia and rejoice
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You do realize that Russia is very, very old..and is also very, very rich. The under ground railroads are beautiful.Its far from a failed country.
Old countries have swings and roundabouts.. Look at every country that's once been a world superpower. Just they way it goes.
 
Lucky Luke

Lucky Luke

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
sure....you did see where i said ten million people own half the guns...how do you "just take away" 10 million armed people's weapons? some of them may comply, but even if 90% willingly give them up, you still have a million heavily armed individuals to disarm...that's where the "Viable" thing comes into play...try harder.
it's easy to be glib...just do this...just do that....except this and that are stupid and will never work...come up with a VIABLE ANSWER
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Same way Australia did. .
It might be why the aussie went to NZ to do the attack- It was simply easier to get hold of a legal weapon their than an illegal one here.
 
Lucky Luke

Lucky Luke

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Kipn said:
guns are not bad. people are bad. preventing people from legally owning them this is a good thing but i will never stop people for getting them. in Australia most people cant legally own or buy guns but people still get shot so clearly its only a prevention not a solution
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I don't know what planet you are on but we don't want to stop people legally owning guns or make it hard or costly.
Guns are fairly easy to own in Australia. Its just Assault type weapons and large mags etc are illegal. Logical stuff. Weapons must also be stored in certified gun lockers and spot inspections can and do happen. usually without a fine in the advent of a failed visit. Vast majority of gun owners know they have a responsibility to keep the weapon secure. My fire arm owning friends all seem to support the rules and most think the storage regulations should be better in regard to securing lockers etc.
A friend of mine drove from Canberra to Tasmania a few weeks ago with quiet a few weapons in the car, easy paper work which is free of cause and into lock up on the ferry. He is happy they are safe and secure for the trip and got to bullshit gun stuff with the people who checked them in.
Hindering legal owners and weapons is bad- They are not doing anything wrong.
 
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Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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Lucky Luke said:
Why would they need guns to enforce laws for? I've been booked for speeding and traffic offences over the decades and no officer has ever pulled their gun on me.
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So you are saying that the enactment of a law carries such mystical power that once the law is on the books it becomes self enforcing and guns will never be used to enforce the law ?

That's really cute.
 
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