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iHearAll

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never heard anyone so adamantly against perlite...
any reasoning behind it?.
and I wouldn't really say it retains much water.. damn near floats
I don't prefer perlite either but can't see any reason to be against it
and your analogy for the jungle is true, but not really relative..
where do plants get perfect mixes of peat moss, fish bone meal, neem meal, guano etc..?
that NEVER happens in nature.
what we do is in no way a replication of nature, when you really think about it.
eh mostly i just don't like the white speckled soil. tbh i think plants near volcanoes could get perlite rich soil naturally. oh and i also dont like buying anything and unless i was next to this volcano i just made up then i wouldnt be finding a natural source for perlite. i use decomposed forest floor that i may or may not pass through a hanging screen as a fluffy carbon rich water retainer. but, i live in the woods a bit so this makes sense for my purposes. i do have to move into an apartment in the city in fall so, i may grow to appreciate perlite or whatever is available.
 

greasemonkeymann

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eh mostly i just don't like the white speckled soil. tbh i think plants near volcanoes could get perlite rich soil naturally. oh and i also dont like buying anything and unless i was next to this volcano i just made up then i wouldnt be finding a natural source for perlite. i use decomposed forest floor that i may or may not pass through a hanging screen as a fluffy carbon rich water retainer. but, i live in the woods a bit so this makes sense for my purposes. i do have to move into an apartment in the city in fall so, i may grow to appreciate perlite or whatever is available.
forest floor litter is great stuff, pure humus.
I also live in a forest, a big ass redwood one
I can appreciate the not liking the color..
i'm a bit neurotic myself
 

MistaRasta

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eh mostly i just don't like the white speckled soil. tbh i think plants near volcanoes could get perlite rich soil naturally. oh and i also dont like buying anything and unless i was next to this volcano i just made up then i wouldnt be finding a natural source for perlite. i use decomposed forest floor that i may or may not pass through a hanging screen as a fluffy carbon rich water retainer. but, i live in the woods a bit so this makes sense for my purposes. i do have to move into an apartment in the city in fall so, i may grow to appreciate perlite or whatever is available.

Apartment? In the city?

Unless you plan on lugging things around you'll be using perlite ;)
 

iHearAll

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Apartment? In the city?

Unless you plan on lugging things around you'll be using perlite ;)
Coco coir! Or I'll be in the woods with heavy black trash bags collecting the decomposed level of the floor. Which seems more likely.... I'm more often looking for an adventure than shopping lol
 

Midwest Weedist

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KNF may be what you're looking for. Google Korean natural farming. Fermented plant extracts are the bees knees man. It's my next step as the costs are stupid low and the returns are crazy high.
 

iHearAll

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KNF may be what you're looking for. Google Korean natural farming. Fermented plant extracts are the bees knees man. It's my next step as the costs are stupid low and the returns are crazy high.
https://www.rollitup.org/t/spring-flowers-fkg-indoor-outdoor.888371/page-3#post-12479199
my current kimchi garden. i'm a few days from choppings.
I'm actually certified/accredited in sustainable agriculture specifically practicing korean kimchi farming. (bokashi, probiotics, fermentation, etc.) Now, this doesnt mean im an A+ cannabis grower, but i'm certainly way more cost effective than most growers and have exceptional results.
 

Midwest Weedist

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No, to the op :)
https://www.rollitup.org/t/spring-flowers-fkg-indoor-outdoor.888371/page-3#post-12479199
my current kimchi garden. i'm a few days from choppings.
I'm actually certified/accredited in sustainable agriculture specifically practicing korean kimchi farming. (bokashi, probiotics, fermentation, etc.) Now, this doesnt mean im an A+ cannabis grower, but i'm certainly way more cost effective than most growers and have exceptional results.
That's awesome!! May I ask where your credentials were aquired?
 

iHearAll

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No, to the op :)

That's awesome!! May I ask where your credentials were aquired?
Palawan, Philippines
I doubt the actual facility would want me to claim them as my teacher here on RIU and this training facility is very very very family friendly. Ill give you a few pictures from years ago. Many more hectares now. I couldn't find any of the gigantic aquaponics/duckponics that didnt have the owner standing in them haha. Great guy and crew but i dont want to get them related to things they dont stand for. (Like cannabis)
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Midwest Weedist

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Palawan, Philippines
I doubt the actual facility would want me to claim them as my teacher here on RIU and this training facility is very very very family friendly. Ill give you a few pictures from years ago. Many more hectares now. I couldn't find any of the gigantic aquaponics/duckponics that didnt have the owner standing in them haha. Great guy and crew but i dont want to get them related to things they dont stand for. (Like cannabis)
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Totally understand and agree! That's even more awe inspiring than I imagined! Truly a living dream right there :)
 

cannakis

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ok.. so first..
30 gallons isn't nearly enough for an outdoor water-only
we ran like 100 gallons and they got rootbound in those even.
i'd go a minimum of at least 50 gallons (two 45 gals?)
concentrate on building a soil with SLOW release amendments.
avoid highly soluble nutrients also.
and with pro-mix as the base i'd source as much wormcastings or quality humus as you can find.
you'll need longterm liming agents too
Interesting you plant outside In pots. I see people do it All the time. Of Course it will be bound. Why not just dig a whole throw your mix in and let the plant Dig Deep in the ground to get all your local surrounding nutrients as well?! If I could go outside I wouldn't Ever pot mine. One plant per 5 square feet, just like Ole Jack Herer said.
 

cannakis

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Palawan, Philippines
I doubt the actual facility would want me to claim them as my teacher here on RIU and this training facility is very very very family friendly. Ill give you a few pictures from years ago. Many more hectares now. I couldn't find any of the gigantic aquaponics/duckponics that didnt have the owner standing in them haha. Great guy and crew but i dont want to get them related to things they dont stand for. (Like cannabis)
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Beautiful garden! I mean Farm really. And also very respectable and honorable of you brother. Blur his face out...
 

cannakis

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I'd love to grow outside, it's not an option here, legally or temperately, maybe in light supplemented greenhouses or with really fast indica, I'm not sure. I am interested though because I've started growing some fruit and veg, mainly in containers at the moment, but hopefully with somewhere more permanent to start growing soon.

My question is............if you're growing outdoors, would it not be better to actually grow in the ground? Obviously it'd massively depend on the quality of your ground soil. But even if you did a raised bed on the ground, with some of your own mixed soil/compost, poor soil underneath would start turning into good soil and give you multiple benefits over containers. ie instant access to IMO's, vastly increased space for roots, free nutrients?
Exactly.! This is what I'm talking about.
in a perfect world, yea.
the issue I've seen with in-ground grows is the water drainage, the type of ground/soil I have is too thick, too clay'ey
I've dug out a BUNCH of soil and then filled with an amended soil, and that works ok, but you need good drainage on the native soil too.
Depending on the ground, it's possible, but you need "normal" groundsoil.
We have this thick ass clay that is WAY too thick
you need to start adding organic matter to counter the clays compaction. You have to start sometime or it will never happen...
Sorry dude I have very little selection that list was the only amendments I can get can we work with it I'm pretty sure I have almost everything subcool uses in his mix could be wrong tho lol
yes you can DEFINITELY use whatever you want! I personally Like blood and bone...
 

cannakis

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ummm well...
it's going to be difficult.. all those are soluble, all those increase the ph, and all those are washed away LONG before the outdoor grow needs it.
bovine bone meal can kill you, not to mention the ph required to get it even useable is acidic, well beyond the liking of cannabis.
So use the FBM instead.
I suppose bloodmeal is your nitrogen input, i'd keep the guanos for topdress or teas later, cuz they'll need the nitrogen in those smaller pots..
still don't need half of those ingredients though, more isn't always better
careful with the potassium inputs
More definitely is Not better for some of this Four Shore, trust me I didn't listen to him for--haha well GM will still say I don't listen to him--a while, and fucked up my shit bad.!

Sulfur and Cottonseed Meal are acidic and will lower your pH, I use them to balance my soul, because like GM said they are mainly Basic/Alkaline.
So ur saying my medium should contain more perlite than anything ????
If you're using ProMix I would NOT add More pearlite or more peat. Unless you're trying to increase the Amount of soil then follow what he said and mix the three together Then mix with ProMix Then add your amendments.

I'm actually going to cut my super soil with ProMix and start light amending and using BioBizz organic liquid nutes.

On contrary i wouldn't use perlite. Ever. For any reason. Waste of money. Only retains water and there are actual organic methods to do that for free. In what jungle does perlite fall from the trees and mix into the soil......?

Sry bout the ranting
I was and still Am about this, it does come from mineral deposits which are depleted. But at the same time it is Nice for potting soil and a more precise drainage that retains water at the same time.
 

cannakis

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KNF may be what you're looking for. Google Korean natural farming. Fermented plant extracts are the bees knees man. It's my next step as the costs are stupid low and the returns are crazy high.
Awesome I'm going to have to check this out! See that's why I'm going to start supporting BioBizz because they Make organic fermented plant extracts...
https://www.rollitup.org/t/spring-flowers-fkg-indoor-outdoor.888371/page-3#post-12479199
my current kimchi garden. i'm a few days from choppings.
I'm actually certified/accredited in sustainable agriculture specifically practicing korean kimchi farming. (bokashi, probiotics, fermentation, etc.) Now, this doesnt mean im an A+ cannabis grower, but i'm certainly way more cost effective than most growers and have exceptional results.
That is awesome and I really do love tgat Philippines farm.!

Anyone read the "Art of Fermentation" by Sandor Katz?

Haha not that I've read the whole thing but the very little I have is Filled with crazy good information!
 

iHearAll

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Awesome I'm going to have to check this out! See that's why I'm going to start supporting BioBizz because they Make organic fermented plant extracts...

That is awesome and I really do love tgat Philippines farm.!

Anyone read the "Art of Fermentation" by Sandor Katz?

Haha not that I've read the whole thing but the very little I have is Filled with crazy good information!
Ha yep. I have that book in my very limited bookshelf. Seems like everything is on the interwebs but the books i do own are Art of Fermentation, Medicinal Herbs (DK), solar gardening, and then some ayn rand books, and religious texts cuz there's not much more "trippy" than transcendental themes. I made their ginger brew, yogurt, and sauerkraut so far. Iv got a pack of mesophilic starter for some cheese. I gotta get practicing my artisan cheese making. Ha Wooo. If a pack of mesophillic starter culture defrosts, can it be refrozen? Im going to google it as well...... ...
 

cannakis

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Ha yep. I have that book in my very limited bookshelf. Seems like everything is on the interwebs but the books i do own are Art of Fermentation, Medicinal Herbs (DK), solar gardening, and then some ayn rand books, and religious texts cuz there's not much more "trippy" than transcendental themes. I made their ginger brew, yogurt, and sauerkraut so far. Iv got a pack of mesophilic starter for some cheese. I gotta get practicing my artisan cheese making. Ha Wooo. If a pack of mesophillic starter culture defrosts, can it be refrozen? Im going to google it as well...... ...
I know I love google! You can discover whatever pops in your mind at that moment. But even with the Instant gratification of the Internet I still feel that we as a people know MUCH less than those before us. Especially Common sense and Ingenuity. But even the writing and books 2-300 years ago were better in my opinion the language is more comprehensive and precise, and you learn what two pages of rambling nonsense of today's books and especially internet posts, and gives you precisely what you need in one or two Sentences.!
 

Midwest Weedist

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I know I love google! You can discover whatever pops in your mind at that moment. But even with the Instant gratification of the Internet I still feel that we as a people know MUCH less than those before us. Especially Common sense and Ingenuity. But even the writing and books 2-300 years ago were better in my opinion the language is more comprehensive and precise, and you learn what two pages of rambling nonsense of today's books and especially internet posts, and gives you precisely what you need in one or two Sentences.!
That's because those who were able to write books then are far outnumbered by those who can write them and other types of literature today. Our language has been under assault for a while now too; dumb the cattle down via their language so they're easily deceived therefore controlled. Damn these modern times.. At least we have the internet right?

Awesome I'm going to have to check this out! See that's why I'm going to start supporting BioBizz because they Make organic fermented plant extracts...

That is awesome and I really do love tgat Philippines farm.!

Anyone read the "Art of Fermentation" by Sandor Katz?

Haha not that I've read the whole thing but the very little I have is Filled with crazy good information!
Glad to hear it! I would imagine though that if you start fermenting yourself you'll ditch any bottles. If you have IG search around the knf hashtag, lots of great nobottle knf grows.
 

cannakis

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That's because those who were able to write books then are far outnumbered by those who can write them and other types of literature today. Our language has been under assault for a while now too; dumb the cattle down via their language so they're easily deceived therefore controlled. Damn these modern times.. At least we have the internet right?


Glad to hear it! I would imagine though that if you start fermenting yourself you'll ditch any bottles. If you have IG search around the knf hashtag, lots of great nobottle knf grows.
Nice I like that. I Am eventually going to do just that, but I have decide id rather support a company who has been doing it for 20+ years and specifically for Cannabis. Then when I build up my own shit I can Make my own.

I just spent Years trying to make my own stuff like my Own fish emulsion and ACV and yada yada, but I just do Not have time to focus on it right now. So I'd rather spend the money instead of time and get it Right!

And what you said about Language and Intelligence is Absolutely right! Thank GOD for the Internet!! Haha I love chasing rabbits down holes Learning new things you never have then you find something new and again and again! I can literally get lost for hours...:)))!
 
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