New smart meter can easily detect large grows.

This is all really old news. Several communities have successfully had them banned for a variety of reasons including gross innaccuracy and because they emit RF that can either cause cancer or interfere with Fri night Smackdown

bass1014 said:

so i have been reading the issue's here about "smart meters" they are just a way to stop sending out meter readers that arent doing there jobs and not reading the meters properly and charging customers out the ass for power.. so all of these meters are to the power company can send one truck out with a meter reader on top the truck.. saves on people walking for days and not being able to read them and getting shot at for being on private property.. so when you see the power truck ride through your area they are more than likely just picking up your meters signal and it sends the usage to the trucks signal and then to the power co..
i live in va and the population is unreal so to save money ,time and people the use the satalite trucks..this also guarantees a proper bill to each customer.. soon every electric co. will go to these. as they are alot harder to steal power.. so when you see power people driving in the trucks just relax

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I wouldnt be too hasty there......
http://stopsmartmeters.org/
http://www.dailyfinance.com/2010/07/19/the-california-smart-meter-revolt/
http://www.agriculturedefensecoalition.org/?q=pg-and-e-smart-meters
http://stopsmartmeters.com.au/how-t...t-contract-law-requires-consent/#comment-2346

Just a few tidbits from my own personal collection

But I bet she doesn't dry her hair for 12 hours, lol........


no scratch that, she's female, she probably could spend that long on her hair, haha j/k.

lowrider2000 said:

i dont think that cfl growers have anything to worry about my girls hair dryer uses 1875 watts.....

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Jack Harer said:

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I wouldnt be too hasty there......
http://stopsmartmeters.org/
http://www.dailyfinance.com/2010/07/19/the-california-smart-meter-revolt/
http://www.agriculturedefensecoalition.org/?q=pg-and-e-smart-meters
http://stopsmartmeters.com.au/how-t...t-contract-law-requires-consent/#comment-2346

Just a few tidbits from my own personal collection

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Well they are installed and in full force here, mandatory also.

Let me explain NALM (or NILM) for those of you who didn't understand it again. So as the one guy said, oh no 300watts, I could be leaving on a... No you couldn't, they know EXACTLY what the appliance is.

Appliances are mass manufactured and tested, every appliance has its own appliance load signature. So say you're turning on a 1000watt light. It doesn't use all 1000watts instantly, or evenly. Maybe it goes 100watts, then spikes to 900w, then increases to 1000w over 3 seconds, then drops to 800watts of constant usage. You'd have a very clear signature of a switch being turned on, and an appliance going, 100, 900, 1000, 800.

The timing and amount of wattage used gives them their SIGNATURE. They don't look at your house anymore and go "hmmm it looks like a spike came up for 12 hours" no that's old news. 90's, or even older.

Now they look at the signature, and go "Oh! This person just turned on a blablabla model blablabla, see the manufacturers data matches the signature off that meter, and this computer program here just told us all of this in a second, without any more work having to be done on our part, thank god for faceless computer programmers!"

How much of this technology is in use depends on your area. BUT IT EXISTS! AND SO SHOULD BE ASSUMED TO BE USED! Unless you're one of those people who likes to boast about how not paranoid they are, until that day they're in jail.

I have read here and there that new appliances will, or are, being built with like a transponder ID in them that identifies what it is by a factory ID. Electric oven fires up, it sends to the smart meter, "I am an electric oven, built by XXXX, max wattage is XXX. Same for other items. I am a TV, I am a dryer, I am a dishwasher.
This really won't mean much for a decade or two until all existing appliances wear out and need to replaced. After that, every electrical item could be ID'd with start and stop times. The question is will the ballast makers be forced to also include the transponder that says, "I am a MH or HPS light"...or not install anything and the meter could see it as an "Unidentifiable device"?

Dirty Harry said:

I have read here and there that new appliances will, or are, being built with like a transponder ID in them that identifies what it is by a factory ID. Electric oven fires up, it sends to the smart meter, "I am an electric oven, built by XXXX, max wattage is XXX. Same for other items. I am a TV, I am a dryer, I am a dishwasher.
This really won't mean much for a decade or two until all existing appliances wear out and need to replaced. After that, every electrical item could be ID'd with start and stop times. The question is will the ballast makers be forced to also include the transponder that says, "I am a MH or HPS light"...or not install anything and the meter could see it as an "Unidentifiable device"?

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Oh yes the electrical transponders for the E-grid. I forgot about those. I thought they were mainly for high wattage appliances, like the fridge, stove, tv, and maybe computer. I did see a documentary where they talked about putting them in everything, with the wistful future look in their eyes.

So maybe one day it will all have ID's, but even if they don't, the wattage use signature can still be determined. It would also be really easy for an organization like the DEA to just buy one of every ballast on the market, test them themselves, and give out, or sell the data to other law enforcement agencies.

As of right now though, they can potentially ID everything in your house with clarity. My only ways to combat this, that I've thought of so far, run your veg 24 hours, use a flip flop relay to break up the budding into 2 rooms. This leaves a constant power signature, so they can only get data when the appliances turn on. So to mask that, I just turn off my main breaker, plug in all my lights, and flip it on. I assume the resulting storm of appliances drawing power will mask any signatures.

So aside from the fear, does anyone actually KNOW of someone getting busting BECAUSE of a smart meter?

I had one installed (mandatory) a few months back and have been shitting myself every day since.

St3ve said:

So aside from the fear, does anyone actually KNOW of someone getting busting BECAUSE of a smart meter?

I had one installed (mandatory) a few months back and have been shitting myself every day since.

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I'm a better safe than sorry kinda guy.

This is an interesting read, and it talks about power use.

http://www.topsecretwriters.com/201...-techniques-and-the-medical-marijuana-fiasco/

It mentions if it seems you use too little power, probable cause of stealing it...

pay your bill one time and be discrete.

also consider having two separate flower rooms and staggering "lights on" time

I dont put anything past the government these days i for one am sick of the government being in my life in every way possible. They have gotten very carried away with what is supposed to be a free society i am not so sure about the so called land of the free any longer. There is a law about any and every thing you can think of these days and lots of shit that would never even cross the mind of a normal person and it gets worse everyday.

FLOWERMASTER said:

lol thats y you have 2 lights that turn on and off randomly (always one on) that way there is no 12/12 spike...just a butch of randown spikes.

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More like just a "butch" of "randown" hermied plants. No thanks!