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Skam0ne

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so I recently moved into my new house I thought I would give growing ago. My brother used to grow back at my old house so he said I could use his 4x4 tent and thousand watt high pressure sodium light, I tried growing indoors a few years back with little success and got out 2x4x5 tent and a cheap t5ho I bought from Amazon. I did grow outdoors a few years ago and had some pretty good luck and well I decided to make a grow log. Using straight ffof soil, vegging in 3 gallon fabric pots. Currently have a 2 week old white widow and 2 bagseed gorrilla glues that are 2 day old sprouts. Thinking about getting a total of 6 plants going all planted like 2 weeks apart and doing a perpetual kind of grow. 2x4 tent is a 8 bulb 4 foot t5ho and the flower tent is 4x4 1000w hps.
 

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I believe I was watering the ww too much at the beginning of its life and stunted it and caused some problems. Could the yellowing of the two bottom leafs be from overwatering? Or was my ph out of wack for too long and its nutrient locked? I got ph up and down and started watering with ph adjusted water to around 6.5 a bout a week or so. Also the humidity is extremely low at around 20 percent and the tent getting up to around 80 degrees
 

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Been watering with tap water at a ph of 6.5-7 using the droppers so kind of hard to be exact, but seems like everything is going smooth, i was curious if I should get some fox farm veg nutes or should the soil be enough to get me through a few months of veg? Also I'm posting a update pic, should I wait a little longer before I top the white widow?
 

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Personally I would wait to top but I'm a newb and only topped first time recently. Would reccomend the roots be showing out of pot for best recovery. Sure someone else will comment I'm wrong. Basically read up and read more then try and learn from what you do. It's amazing hobby tho going check on mine soon. Gave them first bloom mutes last night so intrigued to see how they doing
 
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Skam0ne said:
Been watering with tap water at a ph of 6.5-7 using the droppers so kind of hard to be exact, but seems like everything is going smooth, i was curious if I should get some fox farm veg nutes or should the soil be enough to get me through a few months of veg? Also I'm posting a update pic, should I wait a little longer before I top the white widow?
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Arnski5000 said:
Personally I would wait to top but I'm a newb and only topped first time recently. Would reccomend the roots be showing out of pot for best recovery. Sure someone else will comment I'm wrong. Basically read up and read more then try and learn from what you do. It's amazing hobby tho going check on mine soon. Gave them first bloom mutes last night so intrigued to see how they doing
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right on man thanks for stopping by, gonna peep your thread and see what ya got going on.
 
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That was couple of days ago and just checked and they grown over an inch or more since last night. Will take some pics tomoz as been on the bourbon tonight
 
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About 6 weeks maybe topped at 5th node. I'm kind of excited see how they flower. I'm counting flower of this weekend so a good 8 9 weeks to go maybe
 
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@Skam0ne

Did you top the ww yet? I wouldn't top just yet if it was mine, I usually wait til the 6th node or higher before I top mine, can you tell us exactly how many nodes high the seedling has now reached at this point?

I would remove any yellowing leaves down towards the bottom of the plant maybe 2-4 depending on what looks yellow, then in about a week or so new growth will appear on the top canopy, then I would top the very tip of the top growth off, but I've noticed if you want a certain node level to trim off, it's better to wait until one node of growth develops above the node that you desire the plant to branch out from.

For example, if you want node 4 to be the top, allow the plant to develop the 5th node completely & wait until signs of the 6th node begin to grow forth before you make your cut. When you do make your cut, try and leave about 1/2- 3/4" inch of stem above where you make the cut to allow the plant to heal.

I've noticed if a seedling is topped too early before it can reach a certain biomass, then it can really stunt the growth for a week or longer, so I just advise patience and allowance of some height to be reached before topping to help avoid negative outcomes as I have mentioned, and you know..... it's not going to kill the plant or adversely effect the over all harvest, but it may add days to the overall harvest if stunting is undergone too early in the seedlings life.

If you've already topped her/him then just maybe use this advice next time around, sorry if I was a bit late posting this tho, I do try to respond quickly if im able.

TakeR eazy yaw. :peace:
 
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mustbetribbin said:
@Skam0ne

Did you top the ww yet? I wouldn't top just yet if it was mine, I usually wait til the 6th node or higher before I top mine, can you tell us exactly how many nodes high the seedling has now reached at this point?

I would remove any yellowing leaves down towards the bottom of the plant maybe 2-4 depending on what looks yellow, then in about a week or so new growth will appear on the top canopy, then I would top the very tip of the top growth off, but I've noticed if you want a certain node level to trim off, it's better to wait until one node of growth develops above the node that you desire the plant to branch out from.

For example, if you want node 4 to be the top, allow the plant to develop the 5th node completely & wait until signs of the 6th node begin to grow forth before you make your cut. When you do make your cut, try and leave about 1/2- 3/4" inch of stem above where you make the cut to allow the plant to heal.

I've noticed if a seedling is topped too early before it can reach a certain biomass, then it can really stunt the growth for a week or longer, so I just advise patience and allowance of some height to be reached before topping to help avoid negative outcomes as I have mentioned, and you know..... it's not going to kill the plant or adversely effect the over all harvest, but it may add days to the overall harvest if stunting is undergone too early in the seedlings life.

If you've already topped her/him then just maybe use this advice next time around, sorry if I was a bit late posting this tho, I do try to respond quickly if im able.

TakeR eazy yaw. :peace:
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I have not topped the ww yet, it looks like the 6th node is coming in but so far the plant seem to have super close nodes. It's only 2 and a half inches tall
 

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Skam0ne said:
I have not topped the ww yet, it looks like the 6th node is coming in but so far the plant seem to have super close nodes. It's only 2 and a half inches tall
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Ok I see, well in that case just when you do make the cut, just cut as close to the higher node as possible when you top her.

If this was my plant, I would probably let it grow til about 5 inches before topping it, then just trim out the unnecessary branches afterwards, some strains you've just got to let them grow and bush out a little, and then train them afterwards by deciding which branches to cut and which ones to supercrop before too much stretching takes place and what not.

This strain being a hybrid will more than likely enjoy some mild trimming anyways, & when you do trim the plant, it's best to not remove too much at one time, and allow time for the plant to grow a few days like 5-7 days inbetween when any branches are being removed, seedlings need time to heal because they are so small and need to be given time to allow for root growth to occur before more defoliation takes place, open wounds take up focus/energy away from the development of new roots, if not enough time/patience is allowed stagnation of any new growth can occur.

When you go and trim your plant, is there a way you can top it at exactly 1hr after lights out? This would also lower the stress on your plant, because at lights out root growth are at its highest levels of the day, and while photosynthesis is at rest, the plant is able to focus on root outgrowth and healing if necessary, without as much strain of the cellular circuitry of the plant as a whole, less interference and so forth. This is the way you should trim your plant when you do major defoliation or topping, especially early on and if lower overall stress on the plant is your goal.

I cut clones 1hr after lights out for the very same reason.

Seems manipulation of plant growth during lights out is what allows for signals within the plant to register more efficiently and helps the plant to prepare to respond to the next period when the lights come back on, it's as if the cells of the plant are better aligned to respond with new growth and recuperation.

Let me know if you'd like any further info on this subject or if you've got any further questions my friend, glad to help out. 8)
 
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Update time..... topped the white widow 2 days ago and yesterday I stopped by the local hardware store and picked up a bottle of alaska fish fertilizer to use during veg. Anyone had any luck with it before? The ww sure does seem to be liking it so far. I gave the ww about a solo cup worth of water and the fish fertilizer diluted down to 1 tsp per gallon. So far seems ok. Humidity is a pain in the ass still. Been misting and hanging a wet towel.
 

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