New grow room. Photos with some questions.

abuilder

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  • Framed in new walls and dropped in a ceiling in my basement creating a room with 7'3" ceiling. The length is about 11 and a 1/2 feet long by 4'3" wide and juts out after 6' another 2' wider making it about 6x11 1/2 at the widest point but I'll be using it first where you see that aluminum bench is where it's 4' +wide. I have a pretty nice tube light thats 30" long with a nice sized reflector over it. I have a fan in that right wall thats sucking/pulling the air "out of my ducting. It happened to already be there. It used to suck out air from a stove vent on the floor above so it's pretty powerful. almost too powerful actually if thats possible. It's not "that" noisy and it came with the house so.....Be nice if I "knew" what could slow it down. It's about 30++ years old I think. I put a Y fitting on both sides of the duct. I figure one will suck the air through my tube light and the other part of the y's will...one end on the right will suck the air from the room out. It's up high above where my planst will be and the other side on the left I have another duct with a 250 fan blowing air in .

    I painted the room with a very white flat paint but I'm thinking mylar would be better? thats question one. I found a 2 mil mylar on amazon for just under $50 for a 100 ft rollx48"
    What ya'll think of that?

    The ceiling I used what's called "reflective" white ceiling tiles but still...would mylar be better over it?

    and the floor??
    Am I wasting time and money on the mylar? This mylar "claims" to reflect 98% of the light but I'm skeptical of that number....but it'd still probably be better than just the white paint. Is it worth doing? 50bucks aint bad.

    Also...I know I have to keep the fan on the ducting that goes through my light tube so as not to burn my plants but how often do I need to keep the fresh air fan going...if at all. Once in a while??

    I have to still get an oscillating floor fan but thats no biggie.

    I have a 600Watt MH bulb in the light now thats adjustable to cut the watts up to half and less. I hung a metal pipe from the ceiling and painted it white so I can slide my light side to side if I need to and it's hung on ratchet rope so I can lower it.
    When I put my seedlings under it should I keep it on all the time at full 600Watts or a bit more than half that wattage? I'm talking just when they're seedings. I know it should be about a foot to a foot and a half when my plants get larger...and at full 600Watts then. I'm just wondering whats best for seedlings. I'm about to sprout them in a day or so. I have Barneys LSD seeds and Violator Kush ...(side note: I noticed...after the fact that not too many people loved the LSD...ugh)

    Also...whats the best (for the money under about thirty bucks(ish) soil tester kit either digital or liquid? I'd prefer digital because it's easier and cheaper in the long run but most all the reviews seem to suck from what I've seen.

    Gonna use FF nutes. I'm thinking the gallons in the three pack might be a lot cheaper than qts. I see three one gallon containers on Ebay for about $140. Or should I start with the 3 pack of qts? I am trying to go easy on my wallet right now...but in the long haul.....?

    anything else this indoor newbie is missing here?
    Thanks everyone
    abuider
    edit: one last and important thing...how many plants do you think I can grow under that light with the seeds I have? It'd be in the 4'3" wide area

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sandiegojack2

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paint is better!! By far! You can wash it down with 10% bleach if need be it has better reflective qualitie's than mylar (Once one wrinkle apears...) mount your light at it's maximun height and leave it there! let the plant's grow into the space, 3 deadly sin's too much light! too much fertilizer! too much water!....I grow barney's LSD and..4x4 flower room lit 12/12 and a vegetive cabinet under work bench 18/6 ...owl's shawdow update 025.jpgowl's shawdowtransplant 5-18-12 007.jpgowl's shawdow update 001.jpg
 
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sandiegojack2 said:
paint is better!! By far! You can wash it down with 10% bleach if need be it has better reflective qualitie's than mylar (Once one wrinkle apears...) mount your light at it's maximun height and leave it there! let the plant's grow into the space, 3 deadly sin's too much light! too much fertilizer! too much water!....I grow barney's LSD and..4x4 flower room lit 12/12 and a vegetive cabinet under work bench 18/6 ...View attachment 2174038View attachment 2174039View attachment 2174040
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Thanks for the reply sandi...
...so your room does have mylar..yet you think it's not as good as the white paint? Mainly because of the hot spots it gets if it wrinkles?

If I put my "seedlings" in the room and the light up high above them won't that make them stretch and become lanky? Shouldn't the lights be right on top of them pretty much...a foot or so above them?
Looks like you have close to the same light I do....P1010181.jpg..pretty much.

So what you're saying is..if you did your room all over again you would skip the mylar you put up?

What about on the floor? Seems to me the plants would benefit from having the light above reflect on the floor and have something there to reflect the light back up under the canopy? I was thinking of buying a 4x8 sheet of 1/2" foil faced foam and laying it on the floor and put my pots on top of that. I was thinking that would also warm up the floors which is concrete now. the foil isn't like aluminum foil which I know isn't good to use. It's more of a dull finish yet it looks some what like Mylar, ten bucks a sheet at HD.

I like how you have your seedlings/young plants under that bench!! Gives you a whole other level of work area without having to divide your room up. Nice job on that!

So how many plants do you think I should grow/start in my area..(4'3" wide area by 11').under that one light I have? I was thinking of starting 3-4 of the LSD and 3-4 of the Violator Kush. Wondering how many of those will make it to healthy plants. I keep reading that most people lose 1/4+- of what they start? I'm thinking 5-6 plants will work under that light or am I pushing it?..and should I start all of the same strain or doesn't it really matter?

Thanks for the help!
edit: so how are the LSD plants???Nice head?
edit 2: oh wait... I think I get why you used the mylar...those are in fact your walls "within" a room, huh?
 
sandiegojack2

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Exactly the same light unit KILLER, and no if your light is low your yield will suffer my friend the proof's in my yield's.......Don't trust internet grow's mostly bull shit and mirror's....grow right and reap the reward's you show me someone you know who has his 1000watter that low and I'll show you a plant that is cowering!!!!#3 deadly sin's my Brother, too much light! too much fertilizer! too much water!! Heed my advice I can prove this work's! LSD totally AWESOME!!!any help you need just ask my brother! jack!LSD 2nd batch Dutch Ultimate.jpg2 week LSD.jpgLSD 3.jpgLSD @ !st wk. flower.jpg
 

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Very cool my brother from another mother...wow..same light..same seeds...woohoo. Now I feel better..hahaha. I was kinda bummed reading some of the reviews I found about the LSD beans. so OK...youre saying keep the light up where I have it at the ceiling height of 7'. That won't make the seedlings stretch and get lanky? the two books I have..the one by Jorge Cervantes and the other by Ed Rosenthal both say to keep it as close to the plant as possible without burning it. I guess though when you grow outside the suns not right on top of them..hmmm. I think I'll go back and take another look at that section...maybe I'm wrong..So how many plants can I grow under that light? 5-6? That light was pretty damn cheap considering..I think I paid around $85 for it off amazon and the 600W dimmable ballast with one MH bulb and one HPS bulb was a pretty good deal too...offa Ebay .. http://www.ebay.com/itm/600-W-MH-HPS-DIMMABLE-DIGITAL-BALLAST-2PCS-BULBS-SOCKET-/300654617221?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_2&hash=item4600696285#ht_3177wt_1175 ..I scored the kit with the two bulbs, electronic ballast and an extra socket in case I ever wanted to make my own or add another to the cool tube which I doubt I'd ever do. Might make my own though one day although that cool tube was so cheap to begin with...So anyway...how many plants do you think I can grow under it in a 4' wide area x 11feet long?
PS...I have a 600watter (dimmable)...not a 1000watter.
 
TrynaGroSumShyt

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You can never have too much light. You think the sun turns down???
I woulds suggest cfl's or floro's for early veg if u don't want to drop your light down
If I put my "seedlings" in the room and the light up high above them won't that make them stretch and become lanky? Shouldn't the lights be right on top of them pretty much...a foot or so above them?
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Correcto!!!!!

and no if your light is low your yield will suffer my friend the proof's in my yield's.[/INDENT]
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Less light = less buds plain and simple man, Light loses intensity with every inch, that would mean fluffy buds up top and bad popcorn below. Here are suggestions for lighting

Recommended typical OLH distances:

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400w HPS: 1 foot
600w HPS: 1.5 foot
1000w HPS: 2 foot
 
sandiegojack2

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wouldn't steer you wrong...Get "THE GROW BOOK AND EQUIPMENT GUIDE VOL2 BY THE GROW BOSS" It may shead a little light on this sensative issue...yes watts equals bud's but read this and you will understand...MYTH#3 The closer the light the better......Here's the reality..A problem free garden produces far more weight than a troubled, rushed, Internet based grow that must overcome obsticls (meaning you) taking twice the time to vege for 1/2 the yield! Instead put the light as high as it will go and allow your plant's to fill the space, in almost all cases less light is better! Did I loose you on this one? really.........jack
 
TrynaGroSumShyt

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sandiegojack2 said:
wouldn't steer you wrong...Get "THE GROW BOOK AND EQUIPMENT GUIDE VOL2 BY THE GROW BOSS" It may shead a little light on this sensative issue...yes watts equals bud's but read this and you will understand...MYTH#3 The closer the light the better......Here's the reality..A problem free garden produces far more weight than a troubled, rushed, Internet based grow that must overcome obsticls (meaning you) taking twice the time to vege for 1/2 the yield! Instead put the light as high as it will go and allow your plant's to fill the space, in almost all cases less light is better! Did I loose you on this one? really.........jack
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You lost me, why would you listen to a guy claiming to be the boss of growing, C'mon man, and it is proven common sense that more light or watts equals more bud. If your light is far you will have tall stretchy plants with nodes inches apart. WE SEE IT EVERYDAY!!
stop giving useless info. Like i said before, the sun doesn't turn down, and the sun is WAYY brighter than any 1000w will ever be, even in shade. get a light meter and see. I have!


YOU WILL NEVER SEE A GROWER SAYING WHAT YOU ARE SAYING "THE BOSS" IS SABOTAGING YOUR GROW, AND YOU ARE SABOTAGING THIS GUY'S WITH PHONY INFO.
 
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Indoors, there is an optimum distance/height between the plants and the light source. This distance fully illuminates the whole canopy with direct light from the source, but is as close as possible to the plants for maximum lumen intensity. This will be called the OLH, for Optimum Lamp Height.
 
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I dunno...I trust Jorge. He seems to be one of THE better growers...and the reviews for this book are outstanding... http://www.amazon.com/Marijuana-Horticulture-Outdoor-Medical-Growers/product-reviews/187882323X/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1 I just rechecked the book..He also calls for 1 1/2' to 2' above the plants. Rechecked Ed Rosenthals book too and he said the exact same thing. I guess whatever works for you...works for you. The refectability of the room I'm sure counts too....which was why I was wondering if the 2 mil mylar was better than the flat white paint I painted the room with but several people said I should stick with the white paint. thing about cleaning flat white painted walls...I don't think that'd be very easy to do. Flat paint doesn't clean very well...it just smudges...but I'll stick with what I have for now I reckon.
...I just wonder why in the big grow rooms I see in photos they all have mylar up on the walls...ugh
 
abuilder

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oh yeh...can someone please tell me...from the photos I posted how many plants you think I can grow under that light...in potted soil? 4 foot wide room by 11 feet long under 600watts(dimmable)...thanks again
 
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while I'm here...anyone sold on any one "soil PH test kits"...almost all the reviews for the "digital" PH soil testers under fifty bucks...suck. Not one good review out there. seems like the liquid soil PH test kits are what gets the best reviews???
 
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abuilder said:
while I'm here...anyone sold on any one "soil PH test kits"...almost all the reviews for the "digital" PH soil testers under fifty bucks...suck. Not one good review out there. seems like the liquid soil PH test kits are what gets the best reviews???
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Don't get the soil tester. order the ph kit from General hydroponics its cheap and easy. it comes in drops with the ph up n down. also under a 600 your footprint should be around 4' x 4' it really depends on the pot size u use. i am under a six and have 14 or so plants at the moment, check me out in my sig to see pics.
 
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mylar is better in some cases because u can move it if need be. YOu see how hack can't comment because he knows he was giving false info. You will learn with experience, rule of thumb is common sense, use it.
 
abuilder

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TrynaGroSumShyt said:
Don't get the soil tester. order the ph kit from General hydroponics its cheap and easy. it comes in drops with the ph up n down. also under a 600 your footprint should be around 4' x 4' it really depends on the pot size u use.i am under a six and have 14 or so plants at the moment, check me out in my sig to see pics.
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14 plants???? all under one 600?? Really? Or do you mean 14 seedlings? I spose five- six plants wouldn't be a problem for me then, huh? Thing is...I only have 4' of width....the 11ft of length doesn't help much unless I had another light...
When I look at the space under my light I can't really see more than 4-5 working without crowding each other but I'm not sure how big the Barney LSD and the Violator Kush beans I have will get. This is my first indoor grow. I grew outdoors last year on my deck and thr beans I picked up while in Negril grew huge but I know out door grows get much bigger....from what I hear anyway....which is why I'm asking here. Not really sure how big the pot should be at it's largest size for these beans. I'm thinking 5 gallon pots'd work...but I'm only guessing.

Yeh...I can see that the liquid PH kits seems to be the best to use. The capsules got some decent reviews and they're real cheap...as you said. Your plants look sick btw...really really nice...but I haven't noticed your total grow room yet. I'll check out more in that thread later bro...thanks man
 
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abuilder said:
14 plants???? all under one 600?? Really? Or do you mean 14 seedlings? I spose five- six plants wouldn't be a problem for me then, huh? When I look at the space under my light I can't really see more than 4-5 working without crowding each other but I'm not sure how big the Barney LSD and the Violator Kush beans I have will get. This is my first indoor grow. I grew outdoors last year on my deck and thr beans I picked up while in Negril grew huge but I know out door grows get much bigger....from what I hear anyway....which is why I'm asking here. Not really sure how big the pot should be at it's largest size for these beans. I'm thinking 5 gallon pots'd work...but I'm only guessing.

Yeh...I can see that the liquid PH kits seems to be the best to use. The capsules got some decent reviews and they're real cheap...as you said. Your plants look sick btw...really really nice...but I haven't noticed your total grow room yet. I'll check out more in that thread later bro...thanks man
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My grow space is 3 x 4 x 7 i have some in 1 gallons and some in two gallons. i'm not sure how many but i know for a fact in sog type i can fit up to 25 in there. 4-5 plants depending on how long you veg will be very fine. Ok i checked i have 11, but before i removed males there were 15. but i have done 20 sog style in there. it'll get crowded but they all do fine. if i were going to do 4-5 plants i would veg them real big and have big pots as well. and an indoor grow under a 6 would never be comparable to outdoor, size or yield wise. unless its not in ground and it is in a pot outdoor.
 
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TrynaGroSumShyt said:
My grow space is 3 x 4 x 7 i have some in 1 gallons and some in two gallons. i'm not sure how many but i know for a fact in sog type i can fit up to 25 in there. 4-5 plants depending on how long you veg will be very fine. Ok i checked i have 11, but before i removed males there were 15. but i have done 20 sog style in there. it'll get crowded but they all do fine. if i were going to do 4-5 plants i would veg them real big and have big pots as well. and an indoor grow under a 6 would never be comparable to outdoor, size or yield wise. unless its not in ground and it is in a pot outdoor.
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Cool...I gotcha now. As I kinda thought. This was a thread I started last year. My first grow...it was out on my deck and I was shittin' bricks...lol.Never again! Here's the thread--->{ https://www.rollitup.org/newbie-central/462165-total-newwwbeee-needs-know-if-2.html#post6330763 }I did learn a lot though but outdoors has to be quite a bit different. I even built a break down green house to get another few weeks of growing time before it got too cold here. I probably got about 3/4 of a pound off four plants. It was just so so but the seeds I brought back from Negril Ja so who knows how good it was. the herb was good when I smoked it in Ja....but nothing fantastic.

So OK...your room is a grow "tent" I gotcha. I'm gettin it now. And sog..thats growing smaller plants but a lot more of em..shorter grow time huh? Hmmmm. I'll stick with fewer plants for now so I can get the hang of it all....better. I need to Christen this room. Gonna sprout 3 Violater Kush and 3 Barneys and hope most of them work. wouldn't wanna waste seeds . also don't want more than'll grow under the one light...for now. I'm already wanting to get another light but I know me..I always overdo things so I'm pullin' my reins in this go round till I have at least another cpl of grows..

Think I'll buy a 4x8 sheet of foil faced foam to put on the floor to keep my plants on. Better than the dark cold concrete floor thats there now. Guess I'll just walk in there in my socks or bare feet when I tend to my plants so I don't fuck the foam boards up. Wish my space was another foot wider but it is what it is. 4' wide kinda sucks if I let the plants just grow big. It's just never quite enough is it? lol To do the sog method I'd need a lot more seeds or learn how take cuttings and grow those...all in time I reckon, huh?
I was shittin in my pants when I ordered the seeds in the mail from Attitude. Tracking showed it in Heathrow for way longer than I cared for but I checked the next airport in the US and sure enough it already passed throug hthere so the tracking was kinda weird. Took less than two weeks door to door...stealth shipping. Seemed kinda expensive but I had no issues so......Now we'll see how many of the beans sprout. Fingers crossed. Tomorrow I'll put them in the Burpee seed sprouter tray/w clear plastic cover...Saw it at Home Depot and it looked like the perfect way to sprout these girls...cheap too.

OK...back to checking out your thread. Maybe I'll get to put my Violator Kush beans in your thread in a month or so....

Oh yeh...one other thing. My ballast is a 600w DIMMABLE....think I should keep it full 600watts once they're sprouted or cut that to half the first cpl of weeks? Also...18/6? or keep the lights on 24? I've read people doing either or...is one better than the other really?
 
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