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Turbong

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Hello all I am new to the site and new to farming also. So i have completed a grow room 3 weeks ago and have been going at it ever since. I have two set ups going 1000w hps over 25 plants and i have a 300w led grow panel over 7 plants the hps set up is were i am concentrating most my efforts on but lately they havent been doing so well. I just wanted to say high and thanks for all the great info this forum has to offer. I will most likely post up some pictures soon so i can get better a resolution to my problem from everyone
see yall soon
TURBONG
 

robert 14617

Well-Known Member
Jackerspackle's Lighting Coverage Primer

How much light do you need?

A very general rule of thumb is that your garden needs 50 watts of HID lighting per square foot of illuminated area. This rule ignores the shape of your garden, so the following is really a better guide:

A 250 watt HID will illuminate a 2' x 2' garden.
A 400 watt HID will illuminate a 3' x 3' garden.
A 600 watt HID will illuminate a 3.5' x 3.5' garden.
A 1000 watt HID will illuminate a 4' x 4' garden.

From Jackerspackle, here's a different take on watts-per-square-foot/meter (WPSF).

WPSF assumes that the bulb's intensity is equal over the entire grow area.. in other words each square foot/meter receives the same number of lumens. But in reality light diminishes rapidly the farther you go from the bulb (1/4 the intensity for each doubling of the distance). So each bulb has a limited range, beyond which you do not have good growth.

For example, a growspace that's 2 x 10 feet would require 1000 watts if you go by the 50 WPSF guideline that's commonly mentioned.. But a 1000 watt bulb only covers an area about 5 feet across - meaning the edges of your garden will be dark.. A better choice in this case would be three 400s or two 600s.

Another problem with WPSF is it assumes all bulbs have the same intensity. But 1000 watts of HPS is not the same as 1000 watts of fluorescents or (yuk) incandescents. Fluorescents have their lumens spread out over a long tube and are therefore dim.. incandescents have the wrong color spectrum and are also dim.

Nor is a 1000 HPS the same as four 250 HPSs.. 250s don't have anywhere near the intensity needed to penetrate thick canopy or tall, bushy plants. (Don't even think about growing meter-tall plants with a 250.)

I could go on, but here's a basic guideline for lighting a growspace for good growth using common HIDs:

WATTAGE -- COVERAGE
1000 watt - 4 to 5 feet across (1.3 to 1.5 meters)
600 watt - 3.5 feet (1 meter)
400 watt - 2.5 possibly 3 feet (.8 to .9 m)
250 watt - 2 feet (.6-.7 m)
175 watt - small, less than 2 feet

These numbers assume you have a good reflector around your bulb and also reflective wall coverings. You can increase the figures a bit if using multiple bulbs, due to their overlapping effect. You can also increase coverage using a light mover...

I know this won't put to rest the old WPSF idea, but i hope it shed some light on the subject.
Added on: Thursday, March 1, 2007 Viewed: 427
 

HardCorps420

Active Member
so basically get more light lol. because with that many plants you have to have a pretty decent size room. also get us some more info!!! and pics!!
 

Turbong

Member
I have 25 plants in a 5'x5' box i have a reflective hood 1000w hps
My box is doing alright but i know there are some deficiencies going on
I am putting up mylar i have soon...
I am growing in Sunshine soil mixed in with perlite and vermablend
1.5 bags of sunshine 1 big bag perlite and 1 bag vermablend
The whole thing is a work in progress in other words im on a budget.
I also have 7 plants under a led 300w grow panel
The plants under the led are growing very well
Pics will be up soon
 

Turbong

Member
So my concerns are on the 25 plants in the box if you look at the pictures the gush is kinda lime green yellowish and the some of the whites have thier edges curled upward very tightly if you look at the pics they look like thier outlined but that is the curl. also the veins are dark green while outer parts of the leave fade to yellow... I thought this could be mg defieciency so last water cycle i put some cal mg in the water along with a tiny bit of superthrive and my basic nutrient supernatural. I mixed them in the water and came out with a ph around 6.0 i am using a pool ph test kit for now as i am kinda on budget. any input is helpful how long will it take for the cal mg to take effect visually on the plants. or should i be looking more towards zinc or potassium. Any help! thx
turbong
 

HardCorps420

Active Member
im not too good with troubleshooting plants lol. whyd you post in newbie central? theres a whole forum dedicated to plant problems. id browse that or post there as well (double fast help lol). but id say if thats what you think it is continue giving i what you think it needs until it goes away lol. but hey, im a noob bitch lol.
 

HookdOnChronics

Well-Known Member
or should i be looking more towards zinc or potassium. Any help! thx
turbong
Ya know this is what I was starting to think after looking at the pix. It doesn't look much like Mg to me. I just finished solving a Mg prob with one of my gals. I'm no expert tho that's just my opinion.

Look into a Zinc def
 
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