New cab, First grow little problems!!

hey guys,

so i finally got my flower box up and running, transplanted my plant into a 4gal pot and put it in the flower box under 24/0 400w hps... now i had to rush the process of sticking it in my flower box from the veg box as it was getting too big for the smaller veg box..

since ive put it in the flower box (3 days ago) it might of stressed as it drooped a little bit 2 hours after the transplant and switch into flower box. now heres where im kicking myself but i had no choice, when i moved it into the flower box, temps were averaging 90s (i saw it go up to 96*f) with low humidity (low 20s high 10s)... took me a day to fix the temp problem where i got it at a stable 78-81 (yesterday).. last night before i went to bed they had drooped even more (but no damage to the leafs yet, stem still strong) so i left em... woke up this morning and seen they hadnt changed at all still rlly droopy but no damage tot he leaves.. so i watered it as the soil did dry up a bit...... humidity has been fluctuating between 18-22% up until 1 hr ago where i went out and bought a goddamn humidifier where the humidity is slowly climbing back to 45 (unless this thing is complete junk and doesnt work)...

my question is; do you think its the humidity level thats not letting my baby bounce back? using the same all purpose potting mix ive used during veg which seem to be just fine! here are some pics;



also ive noticed some of the branches and veins of the leaves are turning a reddish color, i think i might need to calmag?

any help would be greatly appreciated, thankss !!!

Was the ph of your new soil any different? I would switch them to 18/6 and give them some down time, sounds like they're a little streesed (also a good idea for veg if you're having heat problems). Did you water and transplant on the same day, or had they been watered a day or two before the transplant? Could be over watering if this is the case.

they were watered a day before the transplant, and re watered when transplanted... maybe when i put it in the box (high 95*f and low humidity) for 1 day, it got all fucked up with those brutal temps? on the 3rd day (today), temps are good and so is humidity... i watered it this morning, should i water it again? the dirt detached itself from the walls of the pot if that says anything?... didnt test the soil ph yet but its the same as i used for the veg which was at 6.5ish... i did however mix a little MG seed starting spoil (0.0 -0.1 - 0.0) as i ran out of the all purpose soil mix (perlite, peat moss, lime, horti humus)... dont think this would make much of a difference? i watered it 3 times now since transplant all with water at 6.5ish ph level... also would it really help to switch to 18/6? i had it 24/0 throughout all of veg... considering i dont have a timer id have to set alarm up n plug unplug

thank you for the quick reply!

Your overwatering bro, that's why they're drooping. You should be watering every 3-4 days depending on your medium. I stick my finger into the soild and if it's dry down to the second knuckle, i water, if it's still moist I wait another day and check again. Pick up the pot every once in a while and when it feels really light, you should water. Next time you transplant, water the little pot so the soil sticks together then water the whole pot after transplant on the same day. They like having a little dry period, it promotes new root growth because they're LOOKING for new water. I wait untill they just barely start to droop then hit em with the h2o.

thanks for that into...

so i just sit and wait for the soil to dry up now and hope they bounce back? also do u see a lack of calmag? ive been meaning to pick some up will definitely do so before the end of the week..

oh and before the transplant i never overwatered it, always waited till soil was really dry as soon as i notice a little wilting... just dont know what to do after this transplant went down and being on day 3 and plant only gettin droopier (hasnt gotten worse since this morning).. im thinkin maybe humidity being low teens during transplant, the stomata got locked up and leafs couldnt get the water?? just an idea, thanks again!!

I would just play the waiting game for a day or two. A Calmag def. in flower will usually show yellowing of the larger fan leaves in between the veins from the stem out. The yellowing of fan leaves is perfectly normal if your toward the end of flowering. It looks like it's just barely starting, they usually won't droop from this however. A trick I use when I transplanting from a small pot to the bigger pot is adding a tsp on dolomite lime per gallon of soil in my new mix. It's a great source of calmag right when they need it. I would look into adding some flowering nutes pretty soon. Just keep in mind that your overal plant size is pretty small so you should be using 1/4 strength of any nutes you give it. Many growers hit em with the full dose and end up with a fried mess.

my plant is about a bit more then a foot high (almost 5 weeks in veg from a clone i got) and everytime i fed it nutes i always put the recommended dosage they had on the label, seemed to be just fine... i moved it to my flower box but want to continue veging it a bit longer (2 weeks) as i wanna calmag and use some other nutes i got for veg... i guess just wait for it to perk back up till i give it anything but water :/

also, would it be wise to mist the leaves with water to maybe try and wake them up?

Don't spray the leaves with the lights on, little drops of water are like magnifying glasses and can burn your leaves, and remember they're drooping from having TOO MUCH water. Adding more to the equasion is not what you want right now. A foot high still constitutes a small plant, it may not show visable signs of nute burn but you may be at the start of nute lock, where an abundance of a specific nute may be locking out another. Your veg nutes should be high in N and the flower nutes should be high in Calmag. Let here dry up for a couple days and see what happens.

thanks alot for the help man... yea onto day 4 now, still drooping and yet no damage to the leaves... the only thing ive noticed is some of the stems and veins are turning a reddish brown color... also the leaves seem to be more puffy? here are some pics... think itll survive?

I think she'll make it. They have the "downward claw" which usually means that they've been overfed/overwatered. This could be coming from adding nutes with your waterings or you have hot soil mix. Keep letting her dry out and they'll perk back up. What kind of soil are they in? If it miracle grow, then there are time released ferts in it that you can never flush out. I'm a fan of the foxfarm soils (happy frog, ocean forest). Whichever soil I go with, I always add 1/3 perlite to air out the mix. This allows the soil to dry out much faster and it wont get mucky if you have to flush.

Not 100% sure on the yellowing, it could be a calmag def (which usually happens a littler later in flower), or it may have been a Nitrogen def from veg (either due to ph lock, nute lock or underfeeding).

Thats why I say to check the ph of your runoff water durring a flush. This way you can eliminate ph as a factor while also flushing out any salts that may have built up, causing nute lock. Then after all that is done you should feed at 1/4 strength with a comprehensive flowering product made for marijuana. I'm a fan of the advanced nutrients Bloom A & B.

alright so onto day 6 now, still droopy soil much more dryer but not completely dry yet... i pumped some air into the soil to try and give it some oxygen dunno if that helped or not... stem still stiff and strong, leaves still green (the tip of 1 leaf at the bottom has turned a little yellow) and i think i narrowed down my problem...

now im kicking myself for this, when i transplanted i came a little short of my regular soil i used all veg, so i mixed in other soil (MG seed starting soil mix 0-0.1-0)... i think this fucked with my drainage keeping water stuck in the middle of the pot (4 days after watering n transplant, a little water was still seeping out of the hole, very little though)... also im about 17inches away from my cooltube (that too far?).. i could put it closer but 17inches is where the plant gets most air ran through it and i figured more air would help...

ever heard of a plant drooping for almost 1 week and not showing any visible damage??? also, would it be wise to transplant it again this time using the 1 type of soil? very stupid mistake on my part :/

also, 2 days ago a coworker of mine gave me all his old nutes which included a whole bunch from Adavanced.. i got B-52, big bud, bud candy, sensi grow and bloom A&B... still wondering if im going to need calmag though or is the b52 and sensi grow good enuf... ive been using Ionic's grow solution, seemed to be doing just fine... hopefully switching over to sensi grow solution wont fuck with anything if my plant ever perks up again :/ ...

it just occurred to me now that in my old pot i had some branches tied down to the pot and when i transplanted it i never retied it as they seem to hold up just fine on there own... now im thinking maybe that wasnt such a good idea??? should i retie those branches back to the new pot after and if it perks back up? been 6 days now since new pot...

Ok Don,

I'd say the biggest mistake you're doing at the moment, is doing too much. Its a weed, just ease off a bit and let it do it's thing.

Just keep letting it dry out and perk back up, it will. When it gets to a stable point I would really think about replanting in a soil that doesn't have any time released ferts in it. You don't want to do it now because when you repot you need to water the soil first and more water is the last thing they need.

When you get your new soil, buy a bag of perlite. They're the little light, white thingies in your soil. I always cut my soil with at least 1/4 of that stuff. It wont affect Ph at all and will allow your soil to drain a million times better. It also provided little pockets of air for the roots. Once that's added you'll be able to flush 3 gallons through that pot and it'll be bone dry in 3-4 days. If you're really worried about the calmag, just buy some dolomite lime (super cheap). When your making your new soil mix, just add a tsp per gallon of soil and that should provide enough calmag throughout flower.

You're buddy did you a real favor because the advanced nutes line is top notch. You should be using the bloom A&B right now, then the B-52 around week 4 flower, and the bud candy in a week or so. I love that stuff because it wont affect your PH, so you can use regular tap water and your ph should be in the right ball park. The bottle says 4ml per liter but I would keep it around 3ml if I were you.

I wouldn't put those ties back on if you're just gonna be replanting soon. They will help later on in flower by spreading the nodes apart for better light distribution. I'd also quit blowing air through the soil, never heard of that haha

thanks so much for the help man out of 3 other forums youre the only one with replies that i can actually learn from ++++ to you!

few more questions, i like to repeat myself to better understand sometimes... plant still droopy today, more of the branches are turning into the reddish brown color, soil is almost completely dry, felt a little moisture when i reached down to my 2nd knuckle (middle-little bit deeper then middle of the pot), the rest is bone dry... if the soil is completely wont it just stay droopy because of lack of water? or will it perk back up only to go back down... 8-10hrs i dont see what the plant does as i work... could it have perked up for a few hours then right back down because of no more water?

oh and as for my buddy hes been growing for 10+ years, just stopped a few months ago due to his daughter getting older and asking questions... the reason he cant help me is cause A. he used top of the line everything and B. he had a whole basement room dedicated to growing with 4 1000w hps, not some ghetto cabinet haha... also appearently i find it hard to believe but, the only problem hes ever had with his plants since he can remember were spider mites... lucky him :/

You should put more pics up when you can. If the soil has a nice crust on the top layer and your pot feels really light when you pick it up then its time to water again. If you have new soil and can transplant, I'd do it now. Just make sure you water your current soil before pulling it out, then water the new stuff with the plant in it. If your mix is cut with perlite, you should do a full flush then feed with the bloom AB.

I didn't mention this last post, but 17 inches seems too far for a cool tube. It should be about 6". It should run pretty cool, just put your hand about 6 inches away to test the heat output. Let your hand sit there for about a minute and as long as its not uncomfortable on your skin, your plants should be alright with it. Just imagine sitting outside in that temp, if you feel like you'd be sweating your ass off, then move them farther away. Keep a fan blowing on the tube as well. The lumens drop the farther away the plants are from the light, so the closer you can get the plants withuot burning them, the better they'll perform. That could be a part of your problem.

the plant seems to still be growing, new leafs are getting bigger and new shoots are starting at the bottom and the new leafs arent drooping??.. i got good new soil ready to re transplant, but im having trouble stabalizing my stemps still... i got 2 120cfm fans on the cool tube and its still radiating a little heat making the temps higher... when i put my hand against the cool tube for over a minute it doesnt burn but it is warm.. i have a 400w HPS hortilux bulb.. i fluctuate between 72-88.... 72 with window open.. i dunno if i should cut another intake hole or maybe try better fans for the cab... intake and exhaust fans for the cab are 77cfm each.. the cab is 3 feet wide 5 feet length and 2 feet deep...

1 leaf at the bottom of the plant seems to have some yellowing and black spots (not bugs)... stem still stiff, leafs still droopy :/.... let me know if its wise to transplant now with the plants condition and should i give it a new light schedule? (always been on 24/0 maybe start 18/6 after transplant as i want to keep vegging it for a bit..


these pics i just took right now


ps. the attached thumbnails are pics from 3-4 days ago

so went ahead and put 2 more holes in the cab(1 in 1 out) lowered the temps a bit more but havent perfected good temps without the window open... almost there tho...

re potted today using fafard premium potting soil, i shit you not 4hrs later, my plant seem to be shaking the droopyness!!! leafs are starting to perk back up slowly!!! it was the soil, it did not like the MG mix... when i was transplanting i tried to get rid of as much old soil off the roots as i could and a chunk broke off taking a few roots with it which led me to examining them and they werent brown or rotten looking so i assume that was a good sign and they had also extended deeper than i had imagined..

anyways, the plant is slowly bouncing back, next time i water it; should i add some nutes? (advancednutrients Sensi grow a&B + b-52) a few stems and leaf veins have turned the reddish brown color throughout this week of depression, wondering if that means its lacking some sort of nutes.. or should i just stick to water for the next time

Glad to hear it man. The time released ferts in MG go crazy when overwatered. So basically your plant was being overfed and the soil was locking in the water, who knows what your ph was? If you feel that you have good drainage I would water the full volume of the pot. So if you have a 3 gal pot, then run 2 gallons regular water and on the last gallon add your nutes. I think the B-52 is for a little later in flowering but the bloom AB and bud candy should be alright.