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Michael Warford

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I have some OG kush and Blue dream plants all a month into vegging. They are being fed CYCO grow A and B with uptake and PH to 6-6.5. I am pretty sure my pH meter works but is a cheap one from eBay. I check with a 7.0 calibration solution. I started seeing these small brown or gray dots on lower leaves first but now noticing on others. I thought maybe mg deficiency so 2 days ago started cal-mag. They are under 2 1000w MH. . Here are some pictures. . Any ideas?
 

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polishpollack

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whatever fert you use you need to be sure it has pretty much everything plants need and there's about 17 different nutrients. good potting soils provide quite a bit. the spotting really does resemble mg def, but I'm not entirely sure that's it. but I am sure that this is most likely a nute def of some kind. that golden yellow spotting looks like mg def, but if you give cal mag and you don't see improvement in a few days, it's probably not mag def, but some other nutrient. so you've made the right choice in giving cal mag but don't give a great deal of it in soil as it will stick around.
if the spotting doesn't stop or go away, then take a real close look at the ingredients of your fertilizer as it might be missing something. if so, the only way to fix that problem is to use a different fert, but be careful what you use and how much of it because some of these ferts are hot stuff; for example, in potting soil you only need to use 1/4 to 1/2 teaspoon of dynagro fert in a gallon of water. The stores usually sell this in quart bottles, which means you get a lot of it and tend to use very little of it (unless you have a huge grow).
 

Canninoobis

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That's calcium not mg. mg is usually much larger blotches of yellow and brown that will show up all over the leaf not on the tips like that. Calcium is always the small yellow dots like that. It's also pretty common to see those types of problems in a plant that's a month old. Calmag will def fix that problem.
 

Michael Warford

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That's calcium not mg. mg is usually much larger blotches of yellow and brown that will show up all over the leaf not on the tips like that. Calcium is always the small yellow dots like that. It's also pretty common to see those types of problems in a plant that's a month old. Calmag will def fix that problem.
OK hopefully it works. I have like 20 plants and only half of them are showing this on some leaves. It's just strange to me that a plant lacking a nutrient will cause spots. I also started using silica the same day I started the cal-mag. Thank you for the replies I really needed some input to see if I made right diagnosis.
 

Michael Warford

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whatever fert you use you need to be sure it has pretty much everything plants need and there's about 17 different nutrients. good potting soils provide quite a bit. the spotting really does resemble mg def, but I'm not entirely sure that's it. but I am sure that this is most likely a nute def of some kind. that golden yellow spotting looks like mg def, but if you give cal mag and you don't see improvement in a few days, it's probably not mag def, but some other nutrient. so you've made the right choice in giving cal mag but don't give a great deal of it in soil as it will stick around.
if the spotting doesn't stop or go away, then take a real close look at the ingredients of your fertilizer as it might be missing something. if so, the only way to fix that problem is to use a different fert, but be careful what you use and how much of it because some of these ferts are hot stuff; for example, in potting soil you only need to use 1/4 to 1/2 teaspoon of dynagro fert in a gallon of water. The stores usually sell this in quart bottles, which means you get a lot of it and tend to use very little of it (unless you have a huge grow).
I am using CYCO. I am pretty sure they have everything (besides cal-mag apparently) I just wanted to make sure I made the right choice before it gets out of control and untreatable.
 

TrimothyLeary

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Could be a deficiency issue, but I'd check soil pH before doing anything else. I would guess a lockout before a deficiency. I mean, it's a deficiency, but I would guess it's being caused by pH.

Or are you using RO or distilled water?

Still vegging. You could try a foliar to see if it helps, but I'd still check soil pH. The foliar can at least keep more damage at bay while you figure it out.
 

Resinhound

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You have to be very careful adding stuff like silica,alot of times those products contain a fair amount of potassium.I dont see the use in adding more than 100ppm of the stuff or so.When there is high levels of potassium in the soil it tends to interfere with mag uptake.I like to add additional magnesium sulfate in flower during the bulking phase to counter act this.

Ofc we have no idea what you are growing in so...
 

Michael Warford

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You have to be very careful adding stuff like silica,alot of times those products contain a fair amount of potassium.I dont see the use in adding more than 100ppm of the stuff or so.When there is high levels of potassium in the soil it tends to interfere with mag uptake.I like to add additional magnesium sulfate in flower during the bulking phase to counter act this.

Ofc we have no idea what you are growing in so...
I am growing in ProMix BX. I also thought PH but like I said I did buy a meter from eBay and calibrate with a powder mix 6.86ph. I check the meter in a 7.0 calibration solution but am not 100% and dont want to spend $100 on a new meter
 

Michael Warford

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Could be a deficiency issue, but I'd check soil pH before doing anything else. I would guess a lockout before a deficiency. I mean, it's a deficiency, but I would guess it's being caused by pH.

Or are you using RO or distilled water?

Still vegging. You could try a foliar to see if it helps, but I'd still check soil pH. The foliar can at least keep more damage at bay while you figure it out.
What is a good foliar solution to use? I have never done foliar so what would be a good mixture to try?
 

Resinhound

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I am growing in ProMix BX. I also thought PH but like I said I did buy a meter from eBay and calibrate with a powder mix 6.86ph. I check the meter in a 7.0 calibration solution but am not 100% and dont want to spend $100 on a new meter
Promix is soiless medium ph needs to be lower at 6.0.

If you arent comfortable or properly equipped to monitor ph,I dont recommend growing hydroponically
 

Michael Warford

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Promix is soiless medium ph needs to be lower at 6.0.

If you arent comfortable or properly equipped to monitor ph,I dont recommend growing hydroponically
I'm not growing hydroponic. I put the water and nutrient mixture at 6-6.5 to feed. The solution to calibrate the pH pen is a powder I mix with water for 6.86ph
 

TrimothyLeary

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What is a good foliar solution to use? I have never done foliar so what would be a good mixture to try?
I don't have any suggestions there, sorry. Some people swear by Epsom salts, but I've got no experience.

I believe Resinhound is being technical in calling it hydroponic.

If you're feeding nutrients with your water, fertigating, some call this hyropoincs, particularly when you use a soilless mix.

I agree. In hydro, you feed plants. In soil, you feed soil, soil feeds plants.

Soil is like a live in Nanny. Takes care of everything, all you gotta do is feed and house her. Yeah, she's gonna do things her way, but you can trust her to get the job done.

Hydro, it's all on you.
 
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Resinhound

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I'm not growing hydroponic. I put the water and nutrient mixture at 6-6.5 to feed. The solution to calibrate the pH pen is a powder I mix with water for 6.86ph
You are growing in a soiless mix,thats hydroponics.

And as I said your ph needs to be in the 5.8-6.2 range..

I suggest you get a cheap second method to verify,like gh ph drops or something.
 

TrimothyLeary

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I don't push grow methods, but I'm gonna recommend you go with an organic soluble fertilizer plan, with a good soil.

I only recommend this because I believe it will help you get to harvest with the least amount of problems and pain. Growing in soil, with at least the bottled organic stuff, eliminates your need to pH, and can help buffer against mistakes you might make.

Hydro is awesome, but to me, it's for people who already know how to grow plants. Which is why I still grow in soil.
 

Resinhound

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I agree in most all cases soil is best for first grow..alot less headaches getting you plants to harvest.But you are in this boat now...might as well be rowing in the right direction.
 

Michael Warford

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I agree in most all cases soil is best for first grow..alot less headaches getting you plants to harvest.But you are in this boat now...might as well be rowing in the right direction.
I suppose there would be no harm putting a few plants into soil and trying it out. But it seems if it's being advised to beginners that is not the best method..
 
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