Need help RIU people!!!

dura72 said:

i use the paper towel method but i sit them onna plate , cover with a bowl and dump them sumwhere warm and dark( my girls pussy would be best but i'd really like to get them back without the associated smell), 3 to 4 days usually does it , then i pop them in pots with potting soil(nutrient free!!) and put them inna heated propogator and spray the soil lightly and spray the hood 3 or 4 times a day, i use a 2 x 55 watt fluro tube hood usually takes another 3-5 days to pop thru, i only water them with atiny little drop in next to the shoot(and im talking about a spit full of water here), if u dont have a propogator then cut a coke bottle in half and pop it over the top of the pot, again spray the inside. ive had a 100% success rate, only thing ive ever had die on me is two clones, and a few relationships.

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merkgrows said:

ok thanks guys for the info hopefully they pop up if not do u recommend some non expensive soil if that might be the issue again thanks every one.

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dura72 said:

btw buck whats your method mate, straight into soil or damp rockwool?

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YOUNG BUCK said:

Do what you want with your seeds but this paper towel nonsense is not required and kills many seeds and can produce retarded plants.
Good luck with the bacteria from the towels.

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minibotwin said:

Almost any organic soil will work.. I've actually got mine in a 50/50 mix of store brand potting soil & organic seed starter. I recommend staying away from Miracle Grow... ESPECIALLY with seedlings! Just be patient, I know it's hard.. Don't feed into hype, or think you need to get all fancy shmancy.. You don't! Trust your instincts, all right?

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Amphibiosaardvark said:

science? "they can produce retarded plants" yeah my new paper towels and new ziplocks are just covered in harmfull bacteria!!! im not telling him to use used paper towells... how would new paper towels have any more bacteria than a new rapid rooter? i swaer some folks just talk out of their ass!

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Starting your seeds

Okay to all you paper towel heads and water nuts. I have been saying this for a long time now but found a site which states it nicely. Read this and don't lose any more of your precious seeds needlessly.

For an optimal germination result the seeds should be planted DIRECTLY into the substrate. We clearly advise against using pre-germination methods or soaking. Please do not place the seeds into a glass of water or in moist paper tissues. Fresh and healthy seeds prefer a nurturing and airy substrate to germinate in – just as mother nature has meant it to be. Cannabis is a plant species originating from semi-arid and temperate biotopes and the vast majority of modern cannabis hybrids contain a substantial percentage of these genetics. Cannabis seeds are not adapted to swampy wetlands, but they are suited for germinating in well drained soil/substrate. In nature they rot if they fall into a puddle of water...and there are no paper tissues lying around either. Taking into account these botanical facts, it is quite logical that by creating germination conditions that are similar to those of the natural habitat one can expect the best results.
What happens if one uses pre-germination methods?
1. Soaking seeds in water/wet paper towels is a method which can be used for old seeds (3+ years) that are drying up and losing germination power; and for pure land race equatorial strains such as from Africa. Both factors do not apply to our seeds. Fresh seeds have a healthy embryo whose cells are filled with water. But excess water causes the cells to bloat, depletes oxygen and leads to the tissue rotting away before the seed embryo can germinate. Old seeds have lost water in the cell tissue, the embryo starts to shrivel, which is why germination rates drop the older the seeds are. Therefore, old seeds (ie. 3+ years) can soak up more water before adverse conditions cause them to rot. This is one of the main reasons why various seed stock reacts differently to pre-germination methods. Especially novice growers make a lot of mistakes with pre-germination methods such as soaking seeds in water for up to 1-2 days. Even if one chooses to pre-germ seeds it has to be done correctly.
It is in a growers best interest to choose a germination method with the lowest risk of complications. Because we want customers to have the highest success rate possible we recommend the most convenient and safest method. This does not mean it is the only option. We simply believe it carries the lowest risk. In fact, planting seeds directly in the substrate is also the most plant friendly method for any type of seed stock. The reasons are explained below in paragraph 2 & 3.
2. Placing healthy & fresh seeds in water/wet tissue can lead to the development of fungi or bacteria on the seed hull. Lack of oxygen and contaminating substances in the water/wet tissue promote fungal growth which can be transported to the substrate later on. Often the seed simply rots away if left for too long in a glass of water, or wrapped up in wet tissue.
3. Once the seed sprouts in a glass of water or paper tissue it already has the taproot growing out of the cracked seed hull. While transplanting the germinated seed it is very difficult, indeed impossible, to prevent damage to the delicate taproot. Many sprouted seedlings handled in this way show retarded development, or even simply fail to appear out of the substrate after transplantation. Handling seedlings this way can impair the health & vigour of the plant for the duration of it’s life cycle - especially if other disturbing factors occur during the early stages of growth.
Professional horticulturists rarely use pre-germination methods to actually grow out the seedlings because of the shock suffered from transplanting them. For example, we use the paper tissue method only as a quick test for germination rates of aged seed stock from our genetic repository. This allows us to see beforehand how many seeds we have to put in soil to get the amount of plants we require for breeding projects.
Germinating cannabis seeds is not difficult. All you need is some basic information on what is important and everything should work out fine.




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Amphibiosaardvark said:

science? "they can produce retarded plants" yeah my new paper towels and new ziplocks are just covered in harmfull bacteria!!! im not telling him to use used paper towells... how would new paper towels have any more bacteria than a new rapid rooter? i swaer some folks just talk out of their ass!

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dura72 said:

im not goin to disagree with your method buck, if it works for you then thats cool mate, i have heard of people having probs with paper towels and supposed tap root damage but like i said ive never had any probs myself. different strokes for different folks and all that i suppose. i'll maybe give your method a go although i dont fancy throwing them under 400 watts at that early a stage, i prefer my little fluros for the first two weeks coz i can get it really close without any heat issues.

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Amphibiosaardvark said:

look by no mean is my way the only way or the best way but it is a way that works.. and its easy.. after they sprout i just open the zip lock and slide it up on the cup and gradually take it off over the next few days for a couple hours a day... to kind of let it adapt to the change in humidity.. and as soo as they sprout they dont need a wholelot of lifht. a bright window seal will work for the first 4 to 7 days.. just spin the cups to make them spindal.. this toughens the stem a bit.. some people bend them a little a few times a day but i just barry them deeper and deeper every time i transplant... then for the final transplant i barry them all the way close to the round leaves... hiut me up if i can help... im not going to tell you there is only one way... just geta basic understanding for what the palnts needs are and acomidate them as well as you can peace bro

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YOUNG BUCK said:

Yes some people talk out their asses and some people just dont know how to grow.

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minibotwin said:

Almost any organic soil will work.. I've actually got mine in a 50/50 mix of store brand potting soil & organic seed starter. I recommend staying away from Miracle Grow... ESPECIALLY with seedlings! Just be patient, I know it's hard.. Don't feed into hype, or think you need to get all fancy shmancy.. You don't! Trust your instincts, all right?

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minibotwin said:

Amidst all this crazy babbling.. Please also make sure that the water you're using during this process is either distilled, bottled purified/drinking water, or tap water that you have let sit in an uncovered container for (my preference) at least 36 hours.. Do NOT use spring water or straight from the tap water!
And again with the paper towel thing, obviously there is a HUGE success rate, otherwise people wouldn't still be doing it or suggesting it. But there are other methods. If money is a concern, I would say try it again with some of the tips you learned here.. The bowl & plate thing is a good tip too.. As long as it's warm & dark.
I do know the seed straight into dirt works, but sometimes that can be a little tricky, as you've got to get the seed just right.. Again deary, trust your instincts. Only you know what you're capable of & what your budget is capable of!

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Amphibiosaardvark said:

you can use tap water just test it on one plant first... its a bitch to keep all that water sitting out... but if you live in some 3rd world country that doest use chlorine youre ok... but even if they do it is ok... check out my young plants.. every one of them was germed vegged and finished with tap water strait from the tap.... ive done it in 3 states and 7 dif cities... i think this is just another case of OCD... ive yet to see anyone suffer lack of quality or yeilds based on tap water vs bottled or distilled... if they suffer its usually something way easier to fix like too much water or ferts

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minibotwin said:

Really? I'm not doubting your methods.. I live in WI & our water here is not pleasant. At all. Either way.. I prefer just using straight up clean water that way it's a little easier to manage all my levels. So I think it's definitely easier for newbies, ya know!?
But yeah, I suppose if you test your water, and try it out on just one plant.. As long as it works, then it works! I'll stick w/ my distilled And yes I'm def OCD haha!!

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YOUNG BUCK said:

They are fine under a 400w hps at about 10-12" away to start of with as long as your temps are ok they take off rapidly under the hps i have used cfl's before and i threw them in the trash after my first use of them growing seedlings.

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