i used GHE flora series for my 3 first week of veg. in 1 week of flower i switched to using AN line. I used old connoiseur with bud candy and i started the first week of bloom on 500ppM (EC: 1.0. the second week i added big bud powder by 25g. and bud candy 140ml in my 70 res. 2ml per liter. second week i upped the ppm to 600ppm. I been watching the ppm rise about 30ppm through each day and just added water so it falls down to 600 again. 4 days in week two I experienced small burns at the tip. so I dropped the ppm to around 550 for the rest of the week. then came week 3.what should my ppm be now? Now i started mixing in my addetives first. big bud powder 30gram. bud candy 140 ml, and b-52 140ml. this gave me a ppm around 600. and this is before adding con a+b. i added around 50 ml of each,this took my ppm around 750. why do i get burns with so little ppm in week 2. i grow jack herrer. i use well water and the ppm is around 150 in my water. I had to buy 2 new bottles of connoiseur and they only got the ph perfect, this doesnt work good with my water and the ph ends up around 6.7. this could also be because i cant add 2ml per liter cause then my plants will fry. i was teached that u should add the addetives first like big bud,bud candy at full amount. then add the base nutrients up to the ppm you desire. please help with some inputs, what am i doing wrong? why cant the plant take more nutrients? what to do with ph perfect? i dosnt work using cannas ph down.
need help fast! 3 week of bloom, switching from old AN line to Ph perfect.
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hotrodharley
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Rising nutes without adding = too much nutrient. Too high a PPM, too high a EC for the plant to handle.
yeah i know that the ppm should drop if the plants healty. if the ppm rises the plant is drinking more water then nutrient. but in 2 week of bloom my plants should take more that 600 ppm. at least with my water is 150 ppm. thats like 450ppm... and how much addetives should i add against my base nutrient.... now the addetives is like 550. and base nutrient is 200ppm.
bigboybuds
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Try adding your A&B first, then mix in the other stuff. I use all the same nutes you mentioned, plus some, and I feed my plants at around 1K ppm. 1200 in late stages.
longdogin
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i saw that you all were using the AN a&b stuff and i had a quick question about it that hopefully one of you could answer. ive seen other posts saying that they get mixed together one at a time, so i got that part but what im not sure of is the amount of water for example. (keep in mind i dont no what the measurments are so im just useing random numbers) if it says add 1ml per liter of water. should i
A. mix 1ml of A into 1 liter of water, then mix 1ml of B into another liter of water then combine the 2 and end up with a 2 liter solution
or
B. mix 1ml of A into 1 liter of water, then after mixing add 1ml of B to that same liter of water and have a 1 liter solution
A. mix 1ml of A into 1 liter of water, then mix 1ml of B into another liter of water then combine the 2 and end up with a 2 liter solution
or
B. mix 1ml of A into 1 liter of water, then after mixing add 1ml of B to that same liter of water and have a 1 liter solution
do you use the full dose on everything? 2ml per liter.. and i read in rosebud magazine that you should add the other stuff first?
i got an 70liter res. so i mix part a and b in different buckets. but thats because i have to fill like seven 10l buckets to fill up my res. if you got an 10liter res. i would first mix in part A on 2ml per liter thats 20 ml. then i would stir before adding the last 20 of part b! hopes this help...
longdogin
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yea it does, your basicly saying go with option B right
Yeah if your res is small. If its big you can do it the other way, but its not a must
patlpp
New Member
I don't know where people picked up the idea of adding sups at full blast than adding the base to the desired PPM came from. Your base is the most important part so add it as instructed (4ml/l "A" , 4ml/l "B" ) Take your sups and add them as instructed (2ml/ll) , If it's too strong for your tastes dilute with water. This keeps the proportions correct. The next time, add less base and sups but keep the same proportions. For example 3ml/l base and 1.5 ml/l sups. resulting in a 25% reduction of BOTH base and sups.
As an anology, lets say you have steak and potatoes and need 500 calories of protein and 200 calories of carb to stay alive. You are limited to 700 calories (PPM) in this meal. If you ate too many potatoes,say 500 calories, and only 200 cal of steak, you would be deficient in protein. If U ate too much steak, the result would be too much protein and not enough carbs. The key is to keep the proportions correct of each product to maintain the correct steak/potato (N-P-K) ratio. What you did is eat too many carbs and not enough protein LOL !!
Also, the ph-perfect is all in the base so if you didn't mix enough in, your ph won't be able to stay in check.
As an anology, lets say you have steak and potatoes and need 500 calories of protein and 200 calories of carb to stay alive. You are limited to 700 calories (PPM) in this meal. If you ate too many potatoes,say 500 calories, and only 200 cal of steak, you would be deficient in protein. If U ate too much steak, the result would be too much protein and not enough carbs. The key is to keep the proportions correct of each product to maintain the correct steak/potato (N-P-K) ratio. What you did is eat too many carbs and not enough protein LOL !!
Also, the ph-perfect is all in the base so if you didn't mix enough in, your ph won't be able to stay in check.
Alexander Supertramp
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Maybe they just dont like those shitty AN nutes? Go back to GH. Save your money and your plants....
patlpp
New Member
If you read the post it was again the grower, not the nutes. Thanks for your useful input parrot. Polly want a cracker? Conny does suck though, just as much as N-P-K Dvna-gro. Be like a good Supertramp and take the long way home and get lost while doing so
beuffer420
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Connoisseur is a little tricky but still at the same time user error is huge with people running advanced.
If anyone uses the ph perfect just stick to directions and their original lineup big bud and overdrive. Advanced really doesn't recommend that u use kushie kush or hammerhead with ph perfect and the cal mag is a definite no as it can mess up the ph side of things.
As for the person who started this post try backing off big bud a little and use more of the base.
I run the sensi ph perfect with stellar results in coco. I run their full line up follow directions and have no probs hitting full strength.
also if running the ph perfect def don't get into the habit of looking at the ppms you'll get yourself all confused. I checked a full strength mix one nite and the ec was over 2.0 but the plants don't burn it's just how it works.
heres a Pineapple Express in veg with full strength on the bases and b52
http://i.imgur.com/cSYgF3o.jpg
sorry for the shitty pic on my I pad
If anyone uses the ph perfect just stick to directions and their original lineup big bud and overdrive. Advanced really doesn't recommend that u use kushie kush or hammerhead with ph perfect and the cal mag is a definite no as it can mess up the ph side of things.
As for the person who started this post try backing off big bud a little and use more of the base.
I run the sensi ph perfect with stellar results in coco. I run their full line up follow directions and have no probs hitting full strength.
also if running the ph perfect def don't get into the habit of looking at the ppms you'll get yourself all confused. I checked a full strength mix one nite and the ec was over 2.0 but the plants don't burn it's just how it works.
heres a Pineapple Express in veg with full strength on the bases and b52
http://i.imgur.com/cSYgF3o.jpg
sorry for the shitty pic on my I pad
GTFOH.. I think AN beats GHE... im just a newbie but i seen big difference when switching to AN. And not in an bad way....
Over 2.0?? I dont wanna try that under 3 week of bloom, when i get minor burns when i reach 600. Thats 1.2. i thinkin on trying half of everything next week. 2ml per liter con. And 1ml per liter of overdrive, budcandy etc. Im in aero by the way. Aint i suppose to go lower with ppm in aero? Thanks for all the help!!!