Need help ASAP!!!

grcraze11 · Apr 7, 2020

Thank you all in advance!
About a year ago I started growing for the first time and that has been quite the learning curve however recently I’ve taken some time off roughly 2 months and every time my seeds germinate I plant them in plastic Solo cups with Fox Farm seedling soil but they never seem to sprout a couple times they do then die shortly after sprouting.... my prior runs I was nailing almost 100% success.... any help is greatly appreciated.

i’ve had issues with 3 different strands Girl Scout cookie - growers choice seeds , critical purple Kush And White widow - seedmans seeds

In photo number three you can see the dead seedling if you look

The last two pictures are both Girl Scout cookie one is in flower just started the other just started vegetation.

Kingkongbud · Apr 7, 2020

grcraze11 said:
Thank you all in advance!
About a year ago I started growing for the first time and that has been quite the learning curve however recently I’ve taken some time off roughly 2 months and every time my seeds germinate I plant them in plastic Solo cups with Fox Farm seedling soil but they never seem to sprout a couple times they do then die shortly after sprouting.... my prior runs I was nailing almost 100% success.... any help is greatly appreciated.

i’ve had issues with 3 different strands Girl Scout cookie - growers choice seeds , critical purple Kush And White widow - seedmans seeds

In photo number three you can see the dead seedling if you look

The last two pictures are both Girl Scout cookie one is in flower just started the other just started vegetation.

A few potential reasons for this. Number one on the list is soil compaction. I'm not sure about fox farm, if it is fluffy, then soil compaction is less of a concern. The second is, maybe your seeds are being pushed too far down. If you pull it out and only see a tiny short tap root this is usually due to soil compaction. It means your seed is unable to breathe and germination stalls then dies early as a result. You will also notice deformities in the thickness of the tap root at times. It may be super thin at the top and super thick at bottom. Another reason is you did not give it light as soon as it popped out, but this is far less common. When wayering your soil initially, make sure first there's holes all around your cup, especially the bottom. Make sure there is a bit of run off every time you water it. Always water with lukewarm water. Water your soil lightly first, then after run off, poke finger in center no more than 1cm, drop seed and cover with soil dustings not chunks! Add a few drops to top center then put in cool 20c dark area with ventilation nearby but no fans blowing on the soil! Wait 2-3 days, if it takes longer than 4 days to pop out of soil, dont bother, itsva weak seed. 2 days is an excellent seed, of course, as long as its female.

Kingkongbud · Apr 7, 2020

grcraze11 said:
Thank you all in advance!
About a year ago I started growing for the first time and that has been quite the learning curve however recently I’ve taken some time off roughly 2 months and every time my seeds germinate I plant them in plastic Solo cups with Fox Farm seedling soil but they never seem to sprout a couple times they do then die shortly after sprouting.... my prior runs I was nailing almost 100% success.... any help is greatly appreciated.

i’ve had issues with 3 different strands Girl Scout cookie - growers choice seeds , critical purple Kush And White widow - seedmans seeds

In photo number three you can see the dead seedling if you look

The last two pictures are both Girl Scout cookie one is in flower just started the other just started vegetation.

If your seed is too close to tge surface as well, it will not have enough initial foundation to be able to dig its first tap root down. As the root goes down, the seed wants to push up so it needs enough weight. But too far is equally an issue. This is why its best to water soil first, then make hole and drop seed

grcraze11 · Apr 8, 2020

Kingkongbud said:
A few potential reasons for this. Number one on the list is soil compaction. I'm not sure about fox farm, if it is fluffy, then soil compaction is less of a concern. The second is, maybe your seeds are being pushed too far down. If you pull it out and only see a tiny short tap root this is usually due to soil compaction. It means your seed is unable to breathe and germination stalls then dies early as a result. You will also notice deformities in the thickness of the tap root at times. It may be super thin at the top and super thick at bottom. Another reason is you did not give it light as soon as it popped out, but this is far less common. When wayering your soil initially, make sure first there's holes all around your cup, especially the bottom. Make sure there is a bit of run off every time you water it. Always water with lukewarm water. Water your soil lightly first, then after run off, poke finger in center no more than 1cm, drop seed and cover with soil dustings not chunks! Add a few drops to top center then put in cool 20c dark area with ventilation nearby but no fans blowing on the soil! Wait 2-3 days, if it takes longer than 4 days to pop out of soil, dont bother, itsva weak seed. 2 days is an excellent seed, of course, as long as its female.

thanks so much for the advice a lot of this makes a lot of sense I think the soil compaction is the culprit...

Budzbuddha · Apr 8, 2020

It’s not the soil .... it’s the method used to germinate. I use FFOF often , and have used it for germinating seeds but some strain / seedlings can burn initially or slow slightly until it becomes acclimated to it.

Use of a propagation dome is great for clones , rooter plugs and such .... but adds to much moisture to trapped solos within.
Germinating seeds need some moisture and warmth. You simply need to use a solo with mix of your choice , a warm spot or seedling heat pad , small plastic ( dome / cup ) .... spray center of cup soil to hydrate , place seed approximately 1/4” down , cover “ lightly “ with soil , add small dome over it. Place somewhere warm or on pad . Throw a simple “ soft “ light like that T5 over it and leave alone.

If seed is truly viable , germ will happen quickly . Water can be a simple misting only . You never want to germ in an overly saturated cup ... that will result in seedling death ( taproot suffocating ) ( Dampoff condition ) . You want the taproot to “ seek “ moisture so that it moves to bottom looking for it , not be overwhelmed from the start. Once you get it’s cotyledon showing , seedling is pretty much on its way . Even a thin piece of “ plastic wrap “ will be enough to keep some hydration in without excess.

Kingkongbud · Apr 8, 2020

grcraze11 said:
thanks so much for the advice a lot of this makes a lot of sense I think the soil compaction is the culprit...

I just dropped a seed today, the only pressing i did after flaking all soil is right above the seed and very lightly. Watering it causes some compaction so long that you are not misting the soil, so really, you dont need to press it. I never mist the soil but a light watering pressure to start with and increase it as your plant grows. Bigger plants dont mind heavier dropping of water and because it has a stronger and fuller root system, soil compaction becomes harder

Kingkongbud · Apr 8, 2020

In my case the soil has lots of peet, i break all this up and remove large chunks of wood. Large chunks not good for the root system

Kingkongbud · Apr 8, 2020

grcraze11 said:
Thank you all in advance!
About a year ago I started growing for the first time and that has been quite the learning curve however recently I’ve taken some time off roughly 2 months and every time my seeds germinate I plant them in plastic Solo cups with Fox Farm seedling soil but they never seem to sprout a couple times they do then die shortly after sprouting.... my prior runs I was nailing almost 100% success.... any help is greatly appreciated.

i’ve had issues with 3 different strands Girl Scout cookie - growers choice seeds , critical purple Kush And White widow - seedmans seeds

In photo number three you can see the dead seedling if you look

The last two pictures are both Girl Scout cookie one is in flower just started the other just started vegetation.

When transplanting, cannabis loves a very thin layer of worm casting and bone meal just below it when using a low nute hydro medium like root farm

Kingkongbud · Apr 8, 2020

Kingkongbud said:
If your seed is too close to tge surface as well, it will not have enough initial foundation to be able to dig its first tap root down. As the root goes down, the seed wants to push up so it needs enough weight. But too far is equally an issue. This is why its best to water soil first, then make hole and drop seed

Never mist your soil as some people claim. It is unnecessary. Good watering practice involves always allowing a bit of run off. If you did this then dropped your seed in non compacted soil it will take minimum 10 days before first watering and max of 14. The first watering and so on should have a little runoff. This ensures that all soil levels have even saturation and ensures water does not pool anywhere in the container because it creates an escape channel. Place your pot elevated in a bowl and sponge the runoff shortly after watering. Misting soil takes too long and is unnecessary. Always use lukewarm water

Kingkongbud · Apr 8, 2020

grcraze11 said:
Thank you all in advance!
About a year ago I started growing for the first time and that has been quite the learning curve however recently I’ve taken some time off roughly 2 months and every time my seeds germinate I plant them in plastic Solo cups with Fox Farm seedling soil but they never seem to sprout a couple times they do then die shortly after sprouting.... my prior runs I was nailing almost 100% success.... any help is greatly appreciated.

i’ve had issues with 3 different strands Girl Scout cookie - growers choice seeds , critical purple Kush And White widow - seedmans seeds

In photo number three you can see the dead seedling if you look

The last two pictures are both Girl Scout cookie one is in flower just started the other just started vegetation.

Your container should have a lot of big drill holes in it like in my pics. Canvas containers are good for aeration but some I've seen majorly lack in depth

Kingkongbud · Apr 8, 2020

Budzbuddha said:
It’s not the soil .... it’s the method used to germinate. I use FFOF often , and have used it for germinating seeds but some strain / seedlings can burn initially or slow slightly until it becomes acclimated to it.

Use of a propagation dome is great for clones , rooter plugs and such .... but adds to much moisture to trapped solos within.
Germinating seeds need some moisture and warmth. You simply need to use a solo with mix of your choice , a warm spot or seedling heat pad , small plastic ( dome / cup ) .... spray center of cup soil to hydrate , place seed approximately 1/4” down , cover “ lightly “ with soil , add small dome over it. Place somewhere warm or on pad . Throw a simple “ soft “ light like that T5 over it and leave alone.

If seed is truly viable , germ will happen quickly . Water can be a simple misting only . You never want to germ in an overly saturated cup ... that will result in seedling death ( taproot suffocating ) ( Dampoff condition ) . You want the taproot to “ seek “ moisture so that it moves to bottom looking for it , not be overwhelmed from the start. Once you get it’s cotyledon showing , seedling is pretty much on its way . Even a thin piece of “ plastic wrap “ will be enough to keep some hydration in without excess.

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Pretty nice I've used those exact cups. One thibg I've noticed is you need lots of holes in them for best plant health as plastic is one of the worst materials at breathing. Make holes all around without disturbing soil, especially at the bottom once using big containers

oill · Apr 8, 2020

grcraze11 said:
Thank you all in advance!
About a year ago I started growing for the first time and that has been quite the learning curve however recently I’ve taken some time off roughly 2 months and every time my seeds germinate I plant them in plastic Solo cups with Fox Farm seedling soil but they never seem to sprout a couple times they do then die shortly after sprouting.... my prior runs I was nailing almost 100% success.... any help is greatly appreciated.

i’ve had issues with 3 different strands Girl Scout cookie - growers choice seeds , critical purple Kush And White widow - seedmans seeds

In photo number three you can see the dead seedling if you look

The last two pictures are both Girl Scout cookie one is in flower just started the other just started vegetation.

Just use rockwool cubes...

I germinate in tissue... after 4 days they should be big enough... then I get the smallest rockwool cubes and slice across the top with a knife... wet them and put the seedling into the slice cut. Once they are established just put them into whatever medium you want.

Kingkongbud · Apr 8, 2020

grcraze11 said:
Thank you all in advance!
About a year ago I started growing for the first time and that has been quite the learning curve however recently I’ve taken some time off roughly 2 months and every time my seeds germinate I plant them in plastic Solo cups with Fox Farm seedling soil but they never seem to sprout a couple times they do then die shortly after sprouting.... my prior runs I was nailing almost 100% success.... any help is greatly appreciated.

i’ve had issues with 3 different strands Girl Scout cookie - growers choice seeds , critical purple Kush And White widow - seedmans seeds

In photo number three you can see the dead seedling if you look

The last two pictures are both Girl Scout cookie one is in flower just started the other just started vegetation.

Sometimes seeds have poor genetics or were handled poorly aka too much exposure to light moisture or toxins is a big nono such as touching seeds after smoking a joint or cigarette even worst! No matter what the case, youll want to provide the best starting conditions is the most important part of your plant. I always tell people, if you can make it and keep it healthy for the first month and a half, given the common 1 month until flower starts practice, then you pretty much have the routine to do it right every time. After 1 month veg, 2 weeks flowering, if you manage to kill it at this point, i feel really bad for whoever. The most common cause of this is watering a bit too late and there's not much of a window for massive water consuming plants like mine consume around 13 liters every 2-3 days

Kingkongbud · Apr 8, 2020

oill said:
Just use rockwool cubes...

I germinate in tissue... after 4 days they should be big enough... then I get the smallest rockwool cubes and slice across the top with a knife... wet them and put the seedling into the slice cut. Once they are established just put them into whatever medium you want.

Absolutely could not agree more. For clones and seed starting, like I already said to others on here, rock wool and low sodium spring water can keep the plant healthy for several weeks at which is definitely time for transplant. I transplant as early as 2 weeks depending on growth speed. If staying hydro, obviously youll never need to transplant if doing it properly, but if transplanting outdoors in ground, no later than 3 weeks into growth

Kingkongbud · Apr 8, 2020

oill said:
Just use rockwool cubes...

I germinate in tissue... after 4 days they should be big enough... then I get the smallest rockwool cubes and slice across the top with a knife... wet them and put the seedling into the slice cut. Once they are established just put them into whatever medium you want.

I could not agree more. I've used rock wool for up to 3 weeks with only low sodium spring water. Only had to water it once before i transplanted outside in Shultz potting soil. It grew nice and strong, handled torrential downpours and 90kmh winds, twice. I know someone who had larger ones at the time, almost all the branches were touching the deck and months later all back up and 6 feet tall 6 feet wide, only small buds on them, but many many sites, hundreds. They also got over 1 inch thick stalks and in the end you would have never known they had been ravished by heavy storms early in the flowering

Bignutes · Apr 8, 2020

Put seeds in a damp paper towel and shove in a warm dark place, I put them in my oven with the oven light on, works good. It's not your soil! Don't over water

Kingkongbud · Apr 8, 2020

oill said:
Just use rockwool cubes...

I germinate in tissue... after 4 days they should be big enough... then I get the smallest rockwool cubes and slice across the top with a knife... wet them and put the seedling into the slice cut. Once they are established just put them into whatever medium you want.

I break up the rockwool carefully as its not good to breathe in, then I put the seed, water it and it swells up. Never have to transplant from tissue and expose the tap root to air. But ih have best results with my miracle grow above many other mediums including hydro. The leaves cannot get any greener, only the curvature of leaves is the ugly thing about one of them, but its only cosmetic, not a problem with function, because I always practice training the plants with less understood practices such as side lights, methods that do not stress the plant like higher blue spectrum to keep the plants staying shorter early on in veg up to 3 weeks, averaging 2, then gradually lower the blue spectrum by adding red. I don't take away the blue though because light is light. La la la la la.

and it will use whatever you give for the most part

spek9 · Apr 8, 2020

Bignutes said:
Put seeds in a damp paper towel and shove in a warm dark place, I put them in my oven with the oven light on, works good. It's not your soil! Don't over water

Top of the fridge, or top of a fireplace mantle work well also. When I do a lot of seeds, I like to do paper towel as well, so that I know how many seeds germinated and how many pots to prepare.

I use moist paper towel, folded up. I drop four seeds into each paper towel, roll it up, and place it into a ziplock. The ziplock keeps the moisture in for the 2-4 days the seeds are in there. I label the ziplock with the strain the seeds came from.

I then wrap up all of the ziplock bags in a black kitchen towel, then place that in a warm area.

Kingkongbud · Apr 8, 2020

Bignutes said:
Put seeds in a damp paper towel and shove in a warm dark place, I put them in my oven with the oven light on, works good. It's not your soil! Don't over water

Seeds start best in darkness. Usually takes early 2 days for me or I dont bother with it if its much longer. Once the tap root shows I give it a strong 23w cfl or a strong led in the 6500k range right away, but light is really only necessary when the tap root starts showing

Kingkongbud · Apr 8, 2020

Kingkongbud said:
Seeds start best in darkness. Usually takes early 2 days for me or I dont bother with it if its much longer. Once the tap root shows I give it a strong 23w cfl or a strong led in the 6500k range right away, but light is really only necessary when the tap root starts showing

I mean in soil to start with. I get 95% success this way and no second handling of seeds

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