Need advice for baby clone. first timer

Ok, so i bought a clone from the dispensary and I want to buy what I need for my plant as I go. So far I have her in a 4 gallon pot, recently transplanted from the lil plastic cup thing it came in. I wanted to go straight to 10 gallon, cause i hear too many transplants can shock the plant but then I was told I would have watering problems if I took that route. So instead when I noticed she was growing (only leaves so far, no height) I put her in the 4 gallon pot with "emerald triangle blend " Recipe 420. Now I'm wondering when is the best time to move her to my 10 gallon?(week before flowering stage i was guessing) I also recently got a 60 watt argosun dayspot bulb (came from a florescent 13 watt till i realized it wasnt enough). What I need to know is when do I switch to a bigger light and what type(cheaper preferred). I would like a bushier plant too so when do I top the plant, or what do I watch for to know when its time to top. Also everything I read about fertilizing is real confusing thats why I just got good soil to start but I know I can still fertilize for thicker buds later on..? I remember a friend who just used tiger bloom, and hes no chemist which the info I read made me feel like I should take a course or 3. I was thinking maybe just into and through out the flowering stage..? I remember seeing buds on his plant when he started(outdoor plant tho).Well that all I have for now, all answers greatly appreciated

By the way my Ive had my clone for 13 days now and she hasnt grown an inch, maybe a few cms, and has gone from 5 leaves to 8
sorry pic. is sideways

What made you come up with the 10gal pot size?
The reason I ask is that is huge.
I grow 5'-7' bushes and only ever used 7gal pots.

Its in a 4gal pot now that will be fine for a few weeks at least.
Transplant it before it gets root bound, I would do it in around 3 weeks but that's veging under 1000w hps.

What lighting are you going to put it under?
That will have a factor in the pot size.

You also need to figure out what you are going to feed it.
There are tons of lines out there.
I use none of them so im no help there.
I use Super Soil only thing I add after mixing up the soil is water.
Link to SS recipe here. https://www.rollitup.org/subcools-old-school-organics/338384-2010-revised-super-soil-recipe.html


The light you are using is not a great choice IMO very inefficient and probibly not much of the light spectrum is usable by the plant.

Get the tin foil off the walls! Its not going to help at all.

I have family who grows and they said they use anything from 7 gal to 10 and bigger the better so i went with 10

just looked up 1000w hps, quite spendy.. shoot.. and i dont know what im gonna put it under. i was kinda hopping i could just buy more bulbs and sockets as i went along. With the 1000w could i just use that its hole life? still im so tight on mola it would be a strech

and with the super soil, the soil i have has alot of thoes ingredents guano and such, is he saying use that soil and add(doubling ingredients) all thoes listed ingredients to just the bottom and fill in the rest with the original soil. cause I bought the soil for all those ingredents

haha thats funnie about the tin foil, ya ill rip down

You mix up the soil let it sit for 60days.
After that you fill 1/3-1/2 the pot with the super soil then top off the rest of the pot with plain soil. (in my case roots organic)

To pick a light setup a few questions need to be figured out.
How many plants are you wanting to grow?
How much do you want to yield and how often?
How big is the area the plants will be in?
What kind of ventilation is the room going to have?

right now im only growing one, and the most ill ever really want to grow at one time would be 3

im not too sure, is half pound unreasonable, maybe quarter for all the work, but the more the irier, i've seen pounds come from outdoor, but the grower was also very experienced. and how often, every 3 months? im hopping to just keep cloning but i read i should start with seed not clone for that but ima try

Area, 2' by 2'10 closet to start, if i clone more im gonna have to have 2 different rooms for different lighting times. my second closet is almost 3' by 5'

and my ventilation is the inch or so crack at the bottom of door with miny fan blowing 24/7, when i was using my weak florescent bulb the room stayed a good 70 75 degrees, just today i switched to the agrosun and its realy warm in there now, i heard you can grow with florescent and is doesn't put off much heat so that is preferred cause i cant go cutting holes in walls, i haven't put much thought to ventilation so any advice will be really helpful. also any florescent type set up tips would also help.

Thanks for all the feedback so far budfever, its a big help

plus the bigger closet has bi-fold doors(had to look that up, weird doors), if that makes any difference

You need a lot more light if you want to fill those 4g pots up with ro.ots, and even more if you want to use 10g pots. Big pots with little lights is wasted space and soil

freshofftheboat said:

right now im only growing one, and the most ill ever really want to grow at one time would be 3

im not too sure, is half pound unreasonable, maybe quarter for all the work, but the more the irier, i've seen pounds come from outdoor, but the grower was also very experienced. and how often, every 3 months? im hopping to just keep cloning but i read i should start with seed not clone for that but ima try
Thanks for all the feedback so far budfever, its a big help

No problem man.

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That is a reachable goal without much trouble.
Ditch the 10gal pot idea like Galvatron said it would be a waste of space and soil.
I'm thinking 5gal will be more then enough.
You are going to want to learn a training tequnique like Topping, FIM-ing, SOG, SCROG, mainlining.
That way you can learn to keep your canopy pretty even in height.
I would suggest starting with Topping, its pretty easy and will really increase your yield especially if you go the florescent route.
There is no need to start with seed!
I run clones just about every run I do.
There is nothing wrong with taking and running clones not sure where you read that?

Area, 2' by 2'10 closet to start, if i clone more im gonna have to have 2 different rooms for different lighting times. my second closet is almost 3' by 5'

and my ventilation is the inch or so crack at the bottom of door with miny fan blowing 24/7, when i was using my weak florescent bulb the room stayed a good 70 75 degrees, just today i switched to the agrosun and its realy warm in there now, i heard you can grow with florescent and is doesn't put off much heat so that is preferred cause i cant go cutting holes in walls, i haven't put much thought to ventilation so any advice will be really helpful. also any florescent type set up tips would also help.

If your going to go the florescent route I would look at T5 fixtures.
You could pick up a 4' long 6 lamp fixture for around $180 or a 4' long 4 lamp fixture for around $130.
I don't grow with florescent lights so maybe someone who dose will chime in on this.
But I would think you could grow two plants under ether of the fixtures and reach quarter to a half lb without to much trouble.

so is the ventilation cool?

and what type bulbs for the t5

With CFL, heat and thereby ventilation, isnt a major issue. If you go HID then youre gna need a legit vent system or properly placed fans. Odor is a consideration too. Carbon filters work well and they arent cheap. However, if absolute secrecy isnt a concern, "fugetaboutid".

To harvest a qp, your gna want to supercrop and Top (look it up, its easy) and Vegg for closer to 2 months with some quality nitrogen nutes.

You are going to want to learn a training tequnique like Topping, FIM-ing, SOG, SCROG, mainlining.
That way you can learn to keep your canopy pretty even in height.
I would suggest starting with Topping, its pretty easy and will really increase your yield especially if you go the florescent route.

lot to take in but real good stuff, checked out uncle bens tech. pretty simple, did it ten mins ago, fiming is good stuff too. not really about sog, but i was considering scrog before I even got my plant, dont remember where i heard it but always thought it to be a good idea. great stuff thanks again budfever

"To harvest a qp, your gna want to supercrop and Top (look it up, its easy) and Vegg for closer to 2 months with some quality nitrogen nutes."

ya i checked supercroping out and gonna give it a shot for sure, read a lot of good stuff about it, thanks for the tips kells049.. ^ quality nitrogen nutes? r u saying thats what ill get or is that something to do

oh and my cfl bulb is 13 watt but equivalent to 100 watt bulb does that make a diffrence

Actually yes, that makes a big difference. Im not a cfl user but you def need more than that. Disregard the equivelent rating. you will need x amount of CFL specific wattage, hopefully someone else can recommend a good number.

Even if you have great soil, some nitrogen nutes are still very helpful. Despite popular opinion on these forums, I find the miraclegro individual packs to be very good for veg but be careful they are strong. start with a quater pack per gallon of water 1x a week.

To grow and achieve the big plant and yield you are looking for you would have to go to a hid (hps/hid) light. Which would require fans, ducting, the whole setup. Def have to spend some money. You will need many more cfl lights just to grow a 2' plant and get an ounce or two from your plant. I would ditch the grow light it's under now and get rid of the aluminum foil. Go get a bunch of t5 different color levels. Read up on it first. Surround your plant and get the light a few inches from it. No need to transplant at all now. Your pot is already bigger that what your going to need. Without proper lighting you will need to stick to a shorter plant. Like grow her 4 weeks or 12 inches then flip to 12/12. Also get a fan on her too. Will help circulate air and build stem strength. If your going to stick with cfl look at some journals on here to give you a realistic idea of what is required. Good luck!

Instead of multi-quoting a gazillion posts, ill stick to the most pertinent. Noticed a QP is a goal of yours in your current setup. As others have said, its simply not happening without a HID Lamp. Lose the CFL's( use them for Veg) and get yourself at least a 600W AC hood. And a proper T5 fixture doesnt exactly run cool either.In fact, an AC HID hood will usually run cooler than a comparable wattage T5 fixture. Your ventilation will not be sufficient if you decide to upgrade.You want to totally evacuate and replace hot stale air. Cut a hole and vent out the ceiling or go out a window with a centrifugal fan in either case.
Also, and you may be aware, but overwatering, pH issues and over feeding are the main enemies of novice growers. Whenever you do decide to feed,quarter or half strength of what's on the bottle is a wise rule

Kells049 said:

Actually yes, that makes a big difference. Im not a cfl user but you def need more than that. Disregard the equivelent rating. you will need x amount of CFL specific wattage, hopefully someone else can recommend a good number.

Even if you have great soil, some nitrogen nutes are still very helpful. Despite popular opinion on these forums, I find the miraclegro individual packs to be very good for veg but be careful they are strong. start with a quater pack per gallon of water 1x a week.

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"Nitrogen Nutes" and MiracleGro.. Its a beautiful day outside and i have my coffee going. Ill refrain from a face palm emoticon inserted here.

I was pulling just about 8 ozs when I grew with cfls. 2 plants lots of lst. I was running over 400 actual watts mixed spectrum. now ive moved on to HID and will never go back

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Can you get your lights closer....like couple inches away? Also get a fan blowing on the plant as well? Something I did for my grow area is make panels using poster board and mylar. Used some double sided tape and folding panels you would find at a hobby store for like a school project. Makes it easy to move around and surround plant with a reflective surface without having to get in there and attach to walls. Looks good so far....will need more light as the plant grows too. Also another trick for your grow area get an adjustable shower rod and adjust it so it is securely to the wall you can hang your lights and clip on fan and adjust to appropriate level.